Super Look! - Chrono Cross

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I take an extra-long look at one of my favorite RPG's of all time, Chrono Cross on the PS1. I'm sure a lot of people never had the chance (or never gave it the chance) to play it, mainly because it's pretty different than Chrono Trigger. Eight parts in total, available at the playlist. First part is embedded below:

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Post by JJOR64 (6,018 posts) See mini bio

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I always wanted to try Chrono Cross. Maybe I should finally check it out.

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Post by lordofultima (2,159 posts) See mini bio

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@JJOR64: Indeed you should, this look has inspired me to continue my save as well.

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Post by AniMoney (173 posts) See mini bio

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One of my favorite games ever. I want to replay it but it's so long that I'm not sure I have the time.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by Godwind (1,551 posts) See mini bio

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A really nice pick. Too bad Square Enix are pricks and will never make Chrono Break.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by auspiciousqueue (953 posts) See mini bio

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My favorite RPG. I replay it all the time. So under appreciated!

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by Hailinel (1,462 posts) See mini bio

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@Godwind said:

" A really nice pick. Too bad Square Enix are pricks and will never make Chrono Break. "

I may be in the minority here, but I absolutely hated Chrono Cross and am not sad that a third Chrono game has not been made. I can understand the desire to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger, but the way they did it, particularly in the way the game ties into Chrono Trigger, utilizes some of the most ludicrous, ham-fisted plot points I've seen in any game ever. (Its story is awful, is what I am saying.) That, combined with the fact that a large number of people involved in the Chrono games are no longer with Square Enix, does not make me particularly hopeful for another Chrono game in any way, shape, or form.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by Aquinas (27 posts) See mini bio

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I did not like this one half as much as Trigger. The much greater number of characters resulted in very few of them getting anything near meaningful character development, so I really did not give much of a piss what happened to any of them at any given point. I was not a fan of the battle system, either. Good game, just not as good a sequel to Chrono Trigger as it could have been.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by Luke (826 posts) See mini bio

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This is one of the best games on the system! Truly revolutionary for it's time. A shit-ton of Characters and different ways to play through multiple times <3

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by lordofultima (2,159 posts) See mini bio

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@Hailinel: I actually am not a huge fan of Chrono Trigger. The story is absolutely fantastic in Chrono Cross, I think you're probably insane. That said, this game shouldn't really be regarded as a sequel to Chrono Trigger at all.

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Post by Godwind (1,551 posts) See mini bio

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@Hailinel said:

" @Godwind said:
" A really nice pick. Too bad Square Enix are pricks and will never make Chrono Break. "
I may be in the minority here, but I absolutely hated Chrono Cross and am not sad that a third Chrono game has not been made. I can understand the desire to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger, but the way they did it, particularly in the way the game ties into Chrono Trigger, utilizes some of the most ludicrous, ham-fisted plot points I've seen in any game ever. (Its story is awful, is what I am saying.) That, combined with the fact that a large number of people involved in the Chrono games are no longer with Square Enix, does not make me particularly hopeful for another Chrono game in any way, shape, or form. "

I can understand why someone would hate the game, I just loved it myself. Although thank you for reminding me what helped made Cross good, the staff. So now I have a reason not to care for a sequel.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by Hailinel (1,462 posts) See mini bio

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@lordofultima said:

" @Hailinel: I actually am not a huge fan of Chrono Trigger. The story is absolutely fantastic in Chrono Cross, I think you're probably insane. That said, this game shouldn't really be regarded as a sequel to Chrono Trigger at all. "

Chrono Cross's story would have been much better overall had it not been a sequel to Chrono Trigger. The elements that tie it to the previous game are the tenuous sort of absurdity that bad fanfiction is made of.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by ThomasP (812 posts) See mini bio

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I played Chrono Cross a couple years back on a borrowed PS2. It's the only PS1 game I own. The amount of playable characters, battle system, soundtrack and colorful graphics are the main attraction IMO. Great game and one of my favorite RPG's.

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Post by EightBitWarrior (127 posts) See mini bio

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Did you know you can embed an entire playlist in a single video on your profile? Just thought I'd let you know if you don't. It's pretty nice. It automatically plays the next video after one finishes. There's a code on the page for each playlist.

I'd comment about the video but I didn't watch it, lulz. I might catch up on some of these once I'm done with my own video project.

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Post by idiotic_genius1 (189 posts) See mini bio

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I played Chrono Cross several times back when it came out and absolutely loved it. Still have the game somewhere.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by lordofultima (2,159 posts) See mini bio

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@EightBitWarrior: Sure do know it, youtube just puts everything together in the least convenient way possible, which thanks to the new "beta" layout makes it harder to actually find the playlist page.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by Aquinas (27 posts) See mini bio

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@lordofultima said:

" @Hailinel: I actually am not a huge fan of Chrono Trigger. The story is absolutely fantastic in Chrono Cross, I think you're probably insane. That said, this game shouldn't really be regarded as a sequel to Chrono Trigger at all. "

*SPOILERS ahoy for the ten people who have yet to beat this game and may play it one day*

Well it is regarded as a sequel, and with good reason. Guile was supposed to be Magus. This is painfully obvious to anyone who gets him in their party and played Trigger beforehand. Kid is sort of a fragment of his sister, Schala. Near the end of the game, a letter left by Lucca, (who was almost certainly supposed to be the female scientist who speaks in what looks like German since her resemblance to her is absolutely uncanny. I can accept that she worked with Lucca, but being her twin sister as well and having no connection? I call BS on that) directly addresses "Janus" (who she claims is likely watching over her at that moment) as though he were there when the letter was being read by Kid. This was however gutted from the game, and we have these bizzare dopplegangers and this awkward letter. That's just sloppy work by the devs.

Not to mention the final boss is, well... freaking Lavos. (with Schala imprisoned within him)

If they didn't want this game thought of as a sequel, they did a really terrible job of making it happen. They should have embraced it as a sequel and more fully fleshed out all the connections to the first game. It's just too hard to ignore all those connections to the first game and pretend Cross exists in a vacuum all by itself.

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Post by alsnuts2 (393 posts) See mini bio

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I really really wanted to like this game. I played all the way through it and got to the last boss and just couldn't make myself care about it. My main complaint is the characters. Too many of them and all of them were pretty lame and under developed. Chrono Cross was probably a better game than I remember it being but Chrono Trigger set the bar so high for me I was just expecting more of the same.

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Post by JJOR64 (6,018 posts) See mini bio

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I could always get this on.........uh.............emu.

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Post by Aquinas (27 posts) See mini bio

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@alsnuts2 said:

" I really really wanted to like this game. I played all the way through it and got to the last boss and just couldn't make myself care about it. My main complaint is the characters. Too many of them and all of them were pretty lame and under developed. Chrono Cross was probably a better game than I remember it being but Chrono Trigger set the bar so high for me I was just expecting more of the same. "

Isn't it funny how so many developers seem to give us something different when we want more of the same, and something that's more of the same when we want something different?

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by lordofultima (2,159 posts) See mini bio

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@Aquinas: You do know that I've never actually beaten this game right? That said I know exactly what happens, so consider yourself lucky. It's a Chrono game of course it's going to have spiritual ties to Trigger. Doesn't make it a sequel. Bioshock is not a sequel to System Shock.

For someone like me who played like 3 hours of Chrono Trigger, I don't feel like there's major missing links, or that it continues the story of that game (which it doesn't). FFVIII was not a sequel to VII, still had Biggs and Wedge. X-2 WAS a sequel, it continued the same plotline as X.

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Post by Einherjan (347 posts) See mini bio

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I was never a big fan of Chrono Chross. I still have the cartridge for Chrono Trigger though. I just feel bad that SquareEnix decided to kill the direct Chrono Trigger sequel and remake of it.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by pill92 (107 posts) See mini bio

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Starting to play the game today,great video.

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Post by Hailinel (1,462 posts) See mini bio

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@lordofultima said:

" @Aquinas: You do know that I've never actually beaten this game right? That said I know exactly what happens, so consider yourself lucky. It's a Chrono game of course it's going to have spiritual ties to Trigger. Doesn't make it a sequel. Bioshock is not a sequel to System Shock.For someone like me who played like 3 hours of Chrono Trigger, I don't feel like there's major missing links, or that it continues the story of that game (which it doesn't). FFVIII was not a sequel to VII, still had Biggs and Wedge. X-2 WAS a sequel, it continued the same plotline as X. "

Schala and Lavos are pretty big links to Chrono Trigger. If you've only played three hours of Chrono Trigger, I have my doubts on your ability to judge the games' connections to one another.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by Keyser_Soze (1,171 posts) See mini bio

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The Quick Look was pretty... decent.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by gla55jAw (432 posts) See mini bio

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I loved that game, although I made it up to the end, or close to it and got stuck and never finished it. I should go back and play it again.

Posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago

Post by lordofultima (2,159 posts) See mini bio

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@Hailinel: My point is I can experience the story of Chrono Cross and not be like, "wait what's happening?" precisely because it's not a direct sequel. Whatever your terms are for an official "sequel" obviously differ from mine. It's irrelevant to this game being fantastic.

A lot of unfounded hate for Chrono Cross, but when someone says they don't like Chrono Trigger it's somehow blasphemy.

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Post by Hailinel (1,462 posts) See mini bio

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@lordofultima: Chrono Cross has several key plot threads that are carried over from Chrono Trigger. You can argue semantics all you want, but Chrono Cross is a sequel. It just happens to be a sequel where they said "Guardia? Lolz!" and did away Crono, Marle and Lucca (three of Chrono Trigger's central characters) off screen before Crono Cross even begins. The key focus of it being a sequel is not the continuation of Chrono Trigger's main plot thread, which was based around traveling through time to beat the tar out of Lavos. It takes off from the plot thread revolving around Schala, a key character in Chrono Trigger, though she was never playable at any point and was in the game for a relatively short period of time.

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Post by Jiggah (115 posts) See mini bio

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It's a sequel to Chrono Trigger, if you haven't beaten it then I can understand why you wouldn't think that it has any direct ties with the previous Chrono game, but trust me it becomes pretty blatantly obvious later on. Chrono Cross was suppose to be a direct sequel, but stuff happened in development that ended up changing the end product. It's still a good game and the connections have been made with the the DS release of Chrono Trigger reconned.

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Post by Hailinel (1,462 posts) See mini bio

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@Jiggah said:

" It's a sequel to Chrono Trigger, if you haven't beaten it then I can understand why you wouldn't think that it has any direct ties with the previous Chrono game, but trust me it becomes pretty blatantly obvious later on. Chrono Cross was suppose to be a direct sequel, but stuff happened in development that ended up changing the end product. It's still a good game and the connections have been made with the the DS release of Chrono Trigger reconned. "

Unfortunately, that ending was a huge letdown for me. I was hoping that the new ending would resolve Schala's story arc independently of the events of Chrono Cross, but I guess that was too much to hope for.

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