Would you be interested in a handheld Chrono Trigger 2?

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#1 Edited by BisonHero (6401 posts) -

In light of the success of A Link Between Words on the 3DS, would you be interested in Square Enix revisiting Chrono Trigger, and making a Chrono Trigger 2 (on the 3DS or Vita), that plays from a top-down perspective, and has more of an adventurous, fun story that continues how Chrono Trigger leaves off, compared to super-up-its-own-ass-story, not-the-sequel-anyone-was-expecting Chrono Cross?

I know there are like a million JRPG series that have gone dormant in recent years, and Chrono has been dormant longer than most, but that one just makes a lot of sense to bring back. And it honestly sounds like a much safer idea than doing a full-on sequel to Chrono Cross, which doesn't have nearly the fan following that Chrono Trigger does.

#2 Edited by Brodehouse (9779 posts) -

I'd rather they made an original clone/knockoff with its own whosits and whatsits and characters and lore, even if the game and story are almost straight retellings or reimaginings of CT.

Also if I'm not mistaken there was a follow-up/spiritual successor called Radical Dreamers, but it seemed as up its own ass as Chrono Cross, and it only came out in Japan. I'm sure someone knows more.

#3 Posted by Morningstar (2149 posts) -

Not really. Chrono Trigger is enough for me.

#4 Posted by AlexGBRO (295 posts) -

hmm i think SE cares about FF and DQ out of their old rpg ip, they do make new ip jrpg like bravely default

i don't they will bring back ps one/snes rpgs like Chrono Trigger or Xenogears

#5 Posted by Flappy (2188 posts) -

Considering how people reacted to Chrono Cross' story, I don't think it'd be a smart move to bring back the old characters and stuff.

I'd prefer another Xenogears.

#6 Posted by Quarters (1666 posts) -

I'd be all for a new entry in the series, though I liked Cross quite a bit, and there's no way I'd want it on a portable device.

#7 Posted by YI_Orange (1141 posts) -

I'd prefer they made something closer to Chrono Cross. I prefer that game. Sure, the story might be "up it's own ass", but there's a good cast of characters and a great world. Also the music is better.

#8 Posted by pyromagnestir (4283 posts) -

If we're gonna get a Link Between Worlds esque new game from Square I'd rather it be Secret of Mana based.

Or maybe a new Earthbound from Nintendo, which would force me to finally play Earthbound.

But yeah sure that'd be fine too.

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#9 Edited by believer258 (11775 posts) -

No. I love Chrono Trigger but it stands up on its own as a fantastic, contained story. However, a spiritual successor with similar themes and ideas might work well, or maybe use that as a jumping off point for a deconstruction of common JRPG tropes with a focus on Chrono Trigger in particular and I'm getting too lofty for modern Square.

#10 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
#11 Posted by jeffrud (382 posts) -

@video_game_king: Picked it up about two months ago and I'm enjoying the pants off of it. Great music, battle mechanic that isn't stale after the first hundred times, ENEMIES ON SCREEN AKA NO RANDOBATTLES, and the protagonist isn't an insufferable tweener.

#12 Edited by believer258 (11775 posts) -

@video_game_king: I was almost certain you'd have something to say. I meant Square in particular, not Atlus.

I've never heard Radiant Historia described as a deconstruction, though.

#13 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@believer258:

I guess you could consider it one, seeing what time travel does to Stocke.

#14 Posted by Abendlaender (2780 posts) -

Since I don't think SE could make a game as good as Chrono Trigger: No

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#15 Posted by Animasta (14667 posts) -

That would take a lot longer than Zelda, and it's not as safe a bet as Zelda.

#16 Edited by Turambar (6713 posts) -

@brodehouse said:

I'd rather they made an original clone/knockoff with its own whosits and whatsits and characters and lore, even if the game and story are almost straight retellings or reimaginings of CT.

Also if I'm not mistaken there was a follow-up/spiritual successor called Radical Dreamers, but it seemed as up its own ass as Chrono Cross, and it only came out in Japan. I'm sure someone knows more.

Radical Dreamers is a visual novel, and the story bits inside it were placed directly into Chrono Cross.

#17 Posted by BisonHero (6401 posts) -

@video_game_king said:

@believer258:

*keeps pointing to this game*

Haha, good point. That continues to sit on my DS backlog of shame, along with The World Ends With You, GTA: Chinatown Wars, and SMT: Strange Journey (though odds are I won't have the patience to finish Strange Journey anyways, so I don't even know why I bought that). I have actually finished pretty much every other DS game I own, though!

#18 Posted by jeffrud (382 posts) -

@bisonhero: I'm in the homestretch of Strange Journey, after what the game reports as 71 hours (let's assume about three of those were completely idle). I've really enjoyed the plot of the game, and it's got me hankering to try out other similar nonsense like Etrian Odyssey or The Dark Spire. There's also a lot of very impressive spritework in the game, if that matters.

#19 Posted by BisonHero (6401 posts) -

@jeffrud: I've heard people having a difficult time with it, so your account is encouraging.

I tried to play SMT: Devil Survivor (not the same thing, exactly), but really didn't like its take on turn-based combat, and really hated how limited your ability to recruit demons was (you have to buy them from an auction, and the auction only gets new stock when you advance time, but if you're stuck on a particular boss, you can't advance time, and I kinda backed myself into a corner where I needed to basically disgard my current demons to then fuse a new fire-immune team, but all the demons in the auction had complete shit stats, and I'd have to grind for hours to make them where I needed them to be, so I just quit after like 40+ hours, so I'm still mega pissed off about mainline SMT games, and decided to not buy SMT IV as a result).

#20 Edited by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

@bisonhero: Devil Survivor isn't a mainline game, though.

#21 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3780 posts) -

I'd prefer they made something closer to Chrono Cross. I prefer that game. Sure, the story might be "up it's own ass", but there's a good cast of characters and a great world. Also the music is better.

I guess if you toss out 50 playable characters, a handful are bound to be good.

But then you also have characters like this:

#22 Posted by Ghostiet (5242 posts) -

@bisonhero: Devil Survivor isn't a mainline SMT title. It's also trash. I actually made the same mistake of playing that turd and letting it color my perception of SMT.

#23 Posted by GiantLizardKing (373 posts) -

Square Enix as they currently exist don't have any businesses making another Chrono Trigger. They'll just fuck it up.

#25 Posted by Turambar (6713 posts) -

@jeffrud said:

@bisonhero: I'm in the homestretch of Strange Journey, after what the game reports as 71 hours (let's assume about three of those were completely idle). I've really enjoyed the plot of the game, and it's got me hankering to try out other similar nonsense like Etrian Odyssey or The Dark Spire. There's also a lot of very impressive spritework in the game, if that matters.

Just be warned that Etrian Odyssey is very much heavier on the dungeon exploration side of things and much lighter on plot, so don't go in expecting a robust story. It does however boast some of the absolute best music in video games.

#26 Posted by YI_Orange (1141 posts) -

@wrighteous86: Fucking Poshul man, god dammit. Chrono Cross is the worst game ever made.

#27 Edited by Lyisa (340 posts) -

It would probably be better if they never touch Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross again considering how divided people are on the latter game.

#28 Posted by Hunter5024 (5600 posts) -

Chrono Trigger is my favorite game ever, and I want them to make another game in that series so bad. But yeah they would probably just fuck it up. Now I'm bummed out.

#29 Posted by crithon (3111 posts) -

hehe..... hmmmmm that's has been tried SEVERAL TIMES. Even when Mistwalker was starting up everyone kept saying "is this their next chrono trigger?" To Blue Dragon. Even Diakatana is suppose to be "Inspired by Chrono Trigger" except the Gameboy color comes closer.

hmmmm, I don't know, just considering how inconsistent Square is. It's easy to imagining how many times they HOOK you on nostalgia, Chrono Cross and the entire Mana series after the SNES. Chrono Trigger was a special bit of magic, and all of those guys are off on other studios. Plus also A Link Between Worlds also came in somewhat luke warm early reactions, some complained the art style, and some were just tired of the 2d over head zelda games especially after Phantom Tracks. So that's another case where it surprised everyone over how great it was.

#30 Edited by believer258 (11775 posts) -

@turambar: FUCK. YES. Part of the reason I loved EOIV so much was the music.

@believer258:

I guess you could consider it one, seeing what time travel does to Stocke.

From the few hours I've played of the game, I guess I could see it going in that direction.

@jeffrud said:

@bisonhero: I'm in the homestretch of Strange Journey, after what the game reports as 71 hours (let's assume about three of those were completely idle). I've really enjoyed the plot of the game, and it's got me hankering to try out other similar nonsense like Etrian Odyssey or The Dark Spire. There's also a lot of very impressive spritework in the game, if that matters.

Really? I found myself strongly disliking Strange Journey and its characters. All the dialogue kept getting in the way of my hardcore dungeon crawling. I did really like the dungeon crawling, though, so I stuck with it for about forty hours, I think? And I'll probably go back to it at some point, but I have the much better Etrian Odyssey IV to wrap up and EO Untold to dive into, plus I want to play The Dark Spire at some point.

#31 Edited by BisonHero (6401 posts) -

@believer258: @hailinel: @ghostiet: The fact that Devil Survivor wasn't a mainline SMT game probably helped it a little for me, because it's half pretending to be a Persona game what with the teenage kids and the "choose who to spend your time with" aspect (and it's half-pretending to be a tactics game, except at no point does positioning even remotely matter aside from those missions where you have to save some useless NPC).

"Hardcore dungeon crawling", as you put it, is boring as fuck as far as I'm concerned, so I wouldn't play Etrian Odyssey in a million years, and it's why I've largely avoided the mainline SMT series. Again, I'm not even sure why I bought Strange Journey, but if it had enough dialogue to annoy believer258, that is actually a point in its favour for me. Though I'm guessing the split on "endless fucking corridors to walk through as you fight the same 4 monsters over and over" versus "actual story and plot events" is probably still wildly in favour of the former, from what I've heard.

#32 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

@bisonhero: Teens and relationships are par for the course in Megami Tensei. There's nothing specifically pseudo-Persona about that.

#33 Edited by believer258 (11775 posts) -

@bisonhero said:

@believer258: @hailinel: @ghostiet: The fact that Devil Survivor wasn't a mainline SMT game probably helped it a little for me, because it's half pretending to be a Persona game what with the teenage kids and the "choose who to spend your time with" aspect (and it's half-pretending to be a tactics game, except at no point does positioning even remotely matter aside from those missions where you have to save some useless NPC).

"Hardcore dungeon crawling", as you put it, is boring as fuck as far as I'm concerned, so I wouldn't play Etrian Odyssey in a million years, and it's why I've largely avoided the mainline SMT series. Again, I'm not even sure why I bought Strange Journey, but if it had enough dialogue to annoy believer258, that is actually a point in its favour for me. Though I'm guessing the split on "endless fucking corridors to walk through as you fight the same 4 monsters over and over" versus "actual story and plot events" is probably still wildly in favour of the former, from what I've heard.

Dungeon crawlers for me are literally all about mechanics. I understand being bored by the repetitive environments, but those really do not mean much to me. I'd play the game if it were made completely out of lines (and there's a mode in The Dark Spire that does pretty much that). EDIT: And still had the same music. /EDIT

The problem with the dialogue in Strange Journey isn't so much that there's a ton of it (thought that's part of it), but there isn't much of it that's well written. I don't like any of the characters, and there's at least one that I can safely say I hate, and the story spouts more psuedo-science mumbo jumbo than it does actual plot. It meanders and doesn't get to the point.

#34 Posted by BisonHero (6401 posts) -

@believer258: Ah, that's unfortunate. Well, Strange Journey continues to be probably the lowest priority of those handful of DS games I still haven't started.

@hailinel said:

@bisonhero: Teens and relationships are par for the course in Megami Tensei. There's nothing specifically pseudo-Persona about that.

I guess I meant like real-world teens, which I thought were a more recent development in the series? There's obviously a bunch of Japanese games I've never played, but I thought some of the earlier, pre-Persona SMT games were way less about Japanese high schoolers talking to each other and building relationships. I could be mistaken.

#35 Posted by Fredchuckdave (5353 posts) -

The hell does Chrono Trigger have to do with Zelda? Chrono Trigger is a good game that could have another sequel, but so is Vagrant Story, so is Valkyrie Profile 2, so is Suikoden. But ultimately I'd be most interested in Square making a Dark Souls type game, there's no reason every JRPG that isn't Final Fantasy shouldn't be Dark Souls.

#36 Edited by BisonHero (6401 posts) -

@fredchuckdave said:

The hell does Chrono Trigger have to do with Zelda?

They're both classic SNES games where the sequel was then abruptly switched into 3D and into a significantly different gameplay and storytelling paradigm. That's really it, I wasn't trying to make any big connection.

#37 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

@bisonhero: Persona was essentially spun out from the school setting and concepts of Shin Megami Tensei: if.... But setting aside the high school setting, teen relationships of one form or another are at the center of a lot of these games, even if they're as tucked as in Nocturne. The social link aspect of Persona that gives it its semi-dating sim feel wasn't introduced until Persona 3.

#38 Edited by futurstock (132 posts) -

i think it might be kinda cool if they did a 3d remake of chronotrigger like they've been doing with all the ff's (1-4 i think?)

#39 Posted by Encephalon (1240 posts) -

No. They're a very different company now, with different sensibilities.

#40 Posted by TheBlue (328 posts) -

Chrono Trigger deserves to stand on its own as one of the very best (at the very least) SNES titles of all time. Chrono Cross was okay, I appreciated the connections and if you dig deep enough into the story, they had some really cool ideas, but it was so convoluted and poorly executed that everyone wrote it off as up its own ass. A remake would be probably okay, as long as they stayed true to the style and atmosphere of the original, but a true sequel with the same characters? I'd love to play as them again in a new game, but I also really don't.

#41 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

The hell does Chrono Trigger have to do with Zelda? Chrono Trigger is a good game that could have another sequel, but so is Vagrant Story, so is Valkyrie Profile 2, so is Suikoden. But ultimately I'd be most interested in Square making a Dark Souls type game, there's no reason every JRPG that isn't Final Fantasy shouldn't be Dark Souls.

I'd argue no to a sequel to Valkyrie Profile 2, if only because I feel that the plot twists in that game were vile and did everything they could to punch my love of the original game in the junk as hard as it possibly could. Sort of like Chrono Cross.

As for a Link Between Worlds-style Chrono Trigger 2, I think I'd appreciate that. It has a vibrant, colorful world with some interesting characters, many of which were only lightly touched upon. And if they could make a proper Chrono sequel that didn't shit all over the cast of the original game (i.e.: Pulling a Chrono Cross; actually, just forget that Chrono Cross ever happened in the first place) set in the same world from a new angle, I'd love to see it.

#42 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11589 posts) -

Would you really want the Square-Enix of today to try to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger?

#43 Edited by The_Ruiner (1034 posts) -

As long as Akira Toriyama and the original dev team is on board them I'd love a Chrono Trigger 2. Chrono Chross was fine...but it never felt like a true sequel to me.

#44 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

Would you really want the Square-Enix of today to try to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger?

They made the FFXIII series and knocked A Realm Reborn out of the park, so yeah.

#45 Posted by Hunter5024 (5600 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@arbitrarywater said:

Would you really want the Square-Enix of today to try to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger?

They made the FFXIII series and knocked A Realm Reborn out of the park, so yeah.

You like the 13 games as much as what they were putting out in the FF6 era?

#46 Posted by NoctisLucisCaelum (94 posts) -

Another "Chrono" game would be awesome loved Chrono Cross and Trigger. Cross a little more.

#47 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@arbitrarywater said:

Would you really want the Square-Enix of today to try to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger?

They made the FFXIII series and knocked A Realm Reborn out of the park, so yeah.

You like the 13 games as much as what they were putting out in the FF6 era?

I do not hold the XIII series in as high a regard as FFVI, but I still enjoy them, and Lightning is one of my favorite characters in the entire franchise.

#48 Posted by Hunter5024 (5600 posts) -
#49 Posted by Slag (4222 posts) -

Would you really want the Square-Enix of today to try to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger?

It sure would beat getting a new Kingdom Hearts game.

#50 Posted by Hunkulese (2694 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@arbitrarywater said:

Would you really want the Square-Enix of today to try to make a sequel to Chrono Trigger?

They made the FFXIII series and knocked A Realm Reborn out of the park, so yeah.

You like the 13 games as much as what they were putting out in the FF6 era?

13 isn't nearly as bad as some people make it out to be and 6 isn't nearly as good as some people remember it to be.

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