Dark Souls Giveth, and Dark Souls Taketh Away...

Posted by SpawnMan (748 posts) -

Probably had my "worst" experience tonight with Dark Souls, after a great experience! It really showed me the highs and lows that the game delivers with brute force, something I'd not fully experienced yet after being generally pretty lucky with the game (or possibly I'm just a really good gamer haha...?)

For a couple of months I'd been stuck in a precarious position. If I ventured one way I found ghosts which sliced me to bits. Another and I found an endless maze of catacombs and respawning skeletons. And of course Sif, the great wolf in the Darkroot Hollow. However, I'd not put the game in my disc tray since the giant update. So I tried my hand at it and the new and improved summoning system. Almost immediately I was summoned and helped a guy kill the Hydra in the basin, and the butterfly thing in the forest. With my newly found humanity, I was able to finally summon someone to help me defeat that pesky wolf.

I made it to the bridge. Heart pounding I saw a summoning sign. Tentatively I began the process. I was in luck. The guy had super red robes on with long scythes and was pretty much impervious to magic. He bowed and I knew this, THIS would finally be the time I slew Sif. We crossed the fog door. And....

The last thing I saw was a giant wolf with a sword bounding towards me and kill me in one swoop. Sigh.

After a tiny bit of raging (another pen didn't make it to write another day after colliding with my office wall) I began the process again. This time I was summoned so I could collect humanity. It took two attempts but we finally killed the wolf. He offered to help me out too. We began so well. After about what seemed like 10 minutes of solid chopping and dodging, we took the beast down to a sliver of health. Then of course, I let my guard down for a second. And that was all that was needed for my head to be disconnected from my shoulders. SIGH.

The guy was a good sport though and we did it again. This time everything seemed to slot into place. Everywhere the wolf went he seemed to land on a sword. Before long he was dead. And in the immortal words of Sir Edmund Hillary, "We knocked the b*st*rd off!!" I was happy.

But after the great triumph, was a series of disasters leaving me finally feeling the sting Dark Souls has delivered to so many gamers...

On my way back I by chance looked up in a destroyed tower in the forest. Sitting on the window was a creepy cat! I instantly knew it was a new covenant. I took it. The cat spoke in riddles, but I figured it was protect the forest and if you wear the ring you get summoned to kill some other people. And something about not doing something which I skimmed. Mistakenly.........

I put the ring on and was transported to some poor lad who I attacked in the forest. He was dodging and weaving. Eventually I was joined by another and we cut him down. Great rewards too! I got back to my world and went to go visit the cat again. Then it happened. And by it, I mean accidentally attacking a forest worker (if you can call them that?). The action which made me want to repeat all my 40 hours of Dark Souls over. Covenant broken apparently. No comeback. Nothing. F*ck. So obviously I'd outstayed my welcome (with all the creatures swamping me it was kinda obvious...) I returned to Undeadsberg on the trail of "The Depths" which a friend had told me about. I never even knew they existed!

Still rueing my failed Covenant, I finally found the door to the Depths. I went through the areas without much hassle, except for getting lost many times and falling down numerous pipes (and those gross sludge things!). So I found the boss area, still human, summoned two of the knight spirits to fight for me, then proceeded on. "Aw, it's a cute lil drago-HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! WTF IS THA- IS THAT ITS MOUTH?????"

The cute dragon's mouth kept on coming out from the pit. Like literally the mouth was the length of its body. I was versing a mouth. With legs. So I fought it. And lost. About 20K souls and 2 humanity. The mouth jumped up and down on my head. No problem I thought, I'll come back, avoid the jump and kill it.

Halfway through making it back, I was invaded. I ran away, but thought "Geez, this is it!". But the guy was useless. I smacked him over like I was pimpin'. First time I'd been invaded, so it was interesting, but at the same time scary. Made it back to the mouth. Recovered my souls, now at about 30K and 3 humanity. Dodged the jump. Attacking attacking... Dead. The mouth apparently had a tail. Which hurt. I was down to a tiny bit of health, and then out of nowhere some magic bolt hit me and killed me. FUUUUUUUUU!

So now it was the usual gamble you get with Dark Souls. You keep adding 10K to the lost total each time you try to kill the boss, and it's a battle of wills between the game and your tolerance to just letting things go. I wasn't prepared to.

So I made it all the way to the last corridor before the mouth thing. And then the unthinkable happened. F*cking googly-eyed motherf*cking frog things zap me like they have before, except THIS time I die instantly and get cursed!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! 35K souls, about 6 humanities, and all that time and anticipation and I get killed by something the French eat. The French. Who are notorious for surrendering. I got killed by that. THAT. THAAAAAAAT!!!!

Now at a quarter health I then had to hand over 6K souls to some chick for some stupid stone which got rid of the curse. Then I gave up on the Depths.

So I lost my cat. Lost my souls. Got killed by a mouth and a frog. Worst. Dark Souls. Session. EVER.

But the funny thing is, I still love the game. And although it was the worst experience I've had, I enjoyed it. These Japanese people must be pretty damn sick to create a game which screws you over completely and have you somehow enjoy the experience. For some reason escaping the sewers was a sort of triumph for me that instilled a sense of pride. And that my pain was somehow being felt by gamers everywhere in the world of Dark Souls.

If ever there was a time: You win some, you lose some. Then you get killed by a frog. Deal with it...

#1 Posted by SpawnMan (748 posts) -

Probably had my "worst" experience tonight with Dark Souls, after a great experience! It really showed me the highs and lows that the game delivers with brute force, something I'd not fully experienced yet after being generally pretty lucky with the game (or possibly I'm just a really good gamer haha...?)

For a couple of months I'd been stuck in a precarious position. If I ventured one way I found ghosts which sliced me to bits. Another and I found an endless maze of catacombs and respawning skeletons. And of course Sif, the great wolf in the Darkroot Hollow. However, I'd not put the game in my disc tray since the giant update. So I tried my hand at it and the new and improved summoning system. Almost immediately I was summoned and helped a guy kill the Hydra in the basin, and the butterfly thing in the forest. With my newly found humanity, I was able to finally summon someone to help me defeat that pesky wolf.

I made it to the bridge. Heart pounding I saw a summoning sign. Tentatively I began the process. I was in luck. The guy had super red robes on with long scythes and was pretty much impervious to magic. He bowed and I knew this, THIS would finally be the time I slew Sif. We crossed the fog door. And....

The last thing I saw was a giant wolf with a sword bounding towards me and kill me in one swoop. Sigh.

After a tiny bit of raging (another pen didn't make it to write another day after colliding with my office wall) I began the process again. This time I was summoned so I could collect humanity. It took two attempts but we finally killed the wolf. He offered to help me out too. We began so well. After about what seemed like 10 minutes of solid chopping and dodging, we took the beast down to a sliver of health. Then of course, I let my guard down for a second. And that was all that was needed for my head to be disconnected from my shoulders. SIGH.

The guy was a good sport though and we did it again. This time everything seemed to slot into place. Everywhere the wolf went he seemed to land on a sword. Before long he was dead. And in the immortal words of Sir Edmund Hillary, "We knocked the b*st*rd off!!" I was happy.

But after the great triumph, was a series of disasters leaving me finally feeling the sting Dark Souls has delivered to so many gamers...

On my way back I by chance looked up in a destroyed tower in the forest. Sitting on the window was a creepy cat! I instantly knew it was a new covenant. I took it. The cat spoke in riddles, but I figured it was protect the forest and if you wear the ring you get summoned to kill some other people. And something about not doing something which I skimmed. Mistakenly.........

I put the ring on and was transported to some poor lad who I attacked in the forest. He was dodging and weaving. Eventually I was joined by another and we cut him down. Great rewards too! I got back to my world and went to go visit the cat again. Then it happened. And by it, I mean accidentally attacking a forest worker (if you can call them that?). The action which made me want to repeat all my 40 hours of Dark Souls over. Covenant broken apparently. No comeback. Nothing. F*ck. So obviously I'd outstayed my welcome (with all the creatures swamping me it was kinda obvious...) I returned to Undeadsberg on the trail of "The Depths" which a friend had told me about. I never even knew they existed!

Still rueing my failed Covenant, I finally found the door to the Depths. I went through the areas without much hassle, except for getting lost many times and falling down numerous pipes (and those gross sludge things!). So I found the boss area, still human, summoned two of the knight spirits to fight for me, then proceeded on. "Aw, it's a cute lil drago-HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! WTF IS THA- IS THAT ITS MOUTH?????"

The cute dragon's mouth kept on coming out from the pit. Like literally the mouth was the length of its body. I was versing a mouth. With legs. So I fought it. And lost. About 20K souls and 2 humanity. The mouth jumped up and down on my head. No problem I thought, I'll come back, avoid the jump and kill it.

Halfway through making it back, I was invaded. I ran away, but thought "Geez, this is it!". But the guy was useless. I smacked him over like I was pimpin'. First time I'd been invaded, so it was interesting, but at the same time scary. Made it back to the mouth. Recovered my souls, now at about 30K and 3 humanity. Dodged the jump. Attacking attacking... Dead. The mouth apparently had a tail. Which hurt. I was down to a tiny bit of health, and then out of nowhere some magic bolt hit me and killed me. FUUUUUUUUU!

So now it was the usual gamble you get with Dark Souls. You keep adding 10K to the lost total each time you try to kill the boss, and it's a battle of wills between the game and your tolerance to just letting things go. I wasn't prepared to.

So I made it all the way to the last corridor before the mouth thing. And then the unthinkable happened. F*cking googly-eyed motherf*cking frog things zap me like they have before, except THIS time I die instantly and get cursed!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! 35K souls, about 6 humanities, and all that time and anticipation and I get killed by something the French eat. The French. Who are notorious for surrendering. I got killed by that. THAT. THAAAAAAAT!!!!

Now at a quarter health I then had to hand over 6K souls to some chick for some stupid stone which got rid of the curse. Then I gave up on the Depths.

So I lost my cat. Lost my souls. Got killed by a mouth and a frog. Worst. Dark Souls. Session. EVER.

But the funny thing is, I still love the game. And although it was the worst experience I've had, I enjoyed it. These Japanese people must be pretty damn sick to create a game which screws you over completely and have you somehow enjoy the experience. For some reason escaping the sewers was a sort of triumph for me that instilled a sense of pride. And that my pain was somehow being felt by gamers everywhere in the world of Dark Souls.

If ever there was a time: You win some, you lose some. Then you get killed by a frog. Deal with it...

#2 Posted by amir90 (2154 posts) -

Seriously, this Is the modern Internet version of a Charles dickens story.

Was a fun read, I hope your luck gets better for your next play session.

#3 Posted by Draugen (640 posts) -

Dude, I love that story. But how did you manage to kill The great grey wolf Sif, and later be killed repeatedy by the Gaping Dragon? Beyond me. And by the way. That frog that got you, that was a karma-frog, come to collect his due for the poor sucker you killed in the forest. That was probably me. :P

#4 Posted by CptBedlam (4449 posts) -

Do some coop and help other players with bosses and you'll have your souls back in no time. The Depths are a pretty good place for coop (short level, easy bossfight).

You can btw restore angry npcs (the cat counts) to their nice state by absolving your sins at the guy in the bell tower (a little costly but it's only half as much as it was before the latest patch).

#5 Edited by SpawnMan (748 posts) -

@Draugen: !!! I said I was sorry to the guy and that some strange cat told me to do it (sounding kinda like Son of Sam there lol!) : (

As for the wolf? Well I'd versed it several times and they were always suicide runs. I got jittery because I had only versed the mouth twice and would probably have had 40K souls riding on the ground by the time I eventually killed it (had those damn frogs not killed me!!).

Thanks for the nice feedback guys. : )

@CptBedlam said:

Do some coop and help other players with bosses and you'll have your souls back in no time. The Depths are a pretty good place for coop (short level, easy bossfight).

You can btw restore angry npcs (the cat counts) to their nice state by absolving your sins at the guy in the bell tower (a little costly but it's only half as much as it was before the latest patch).

EDIT: WHAAT? WHAAAT???? REALLY???? Even if I killed that guy with the giant sword that attacks you in the forest?? Are you SURE??? If it's true I would literally walk over coals to get the cat back!!!

#6 Edited by StrikeALight (1114 posts) -

@SpawnMan said:

@Draugen: !!! I said I was sorry to the guy and that some strange cat told me to do it (sounding kinda like Son of Sam there lol!) : (

As for the wolf? Well I'd versed it several times and they were always suicide runs. I got jittery because I had only versed the mouth twice and would probably have had 40K souls riding on the ground by the time I eventually killed it (had those damn frogs not killed me!!).

Thanks for the nice feedback guys. : )

@CptBedlam said:

Do some coop and help other players with bosses and you'll have your souls back in no time. The Depths are a pretty good place for coop (short level, easy bossfight).

You can btw restore angry npcs (the cat counts) to their nice state by absolving your sins at the guy in the bell tower (a little costly but it's only half as much as it was before the latest patch).

EDIT: WHAAT? WHAAAT???? REALLY???? Even if I killed that guy with the giant sword that attacks you in the forest?? Are you SURE??? If it's true I would literally walk over coals to get the cat back!!!

Yep, I'm pretty sure also.

Man, I need to get back into this game. I haven't played since before the patches so it would be cool to discover what's what again.

#7 Posted by JackSukeru (5910 posts) -

Hm, if you've opened the path correctly you should be able to go straight from the bonfire to Gaping Dragon while only having to fight one or two rats, you shouldn't run into any curse frogs.

If you are between the levels 20-30 get yourself some Pyromancy, go back to the bonfire, lay down a summon sign to get yourself some experience fighting the boss. While waiting, kill the slimes over and over again for materials.

#8 Posted by AndyD74 (169 posts) -

The guy that invaded you in the depths may have been an NPC named Knight Kirk. Does that name sound familiar? First time I went down there, I was summoned several times to help people, and each time these guys were invaded by the Knight Kirk character. I thought, "Man, this guy wants to ruin EVERYONE's game..." then I found out later he was an NPC invader. You'll see him a couple more times before it's over, if you're human in the right areas. Also, as far as your Cat Covenant goes, I think you can absolve your sins with the guy at the Church in the tower where you killed the gargoyles, and can maybe rejoin that covenant. Not too sure, can someone confirm?

#9 Posted by SpawnMan (748 posts) -

@AndyD74: Hey yeah! It was a guy called Knight Kirk! No wonder he was crap lol. ; )

Any idea what this guy is about? Or maybe he just really likes invading in that area?

Yep, I just looked online and you can absolve your sins at that Oswald fella and rejoin the covenant. However, it's at 500 x Current Level worth of souls. For example, level 10 players would have to pay 5000 souls. I'm looking at a heck of a lot!

I did check out the other covenants online and TBH, apart from the gravelord one (although that seems to be glitched), and maybe the darkmoon and chaos ones, the cat covenant seems the most fun. I'm running a warrior class, so haven't really used much magic or miracles, so the miracles and spells rewarded in the other covenants just doesn't appeal. Plus I like animals and I've fully cleared the area. And I don't fancy being a dragon. I think those miracle ones can be for my other playthroughs when I make them.

Oh and of course because the cat covenant ring ignores the PvP's normal boundaries. So a level 1 can be invaded by a level 300. XD

#10 Posted by CptBedlam (4449 posts) -

@SpawnMan: NPCs invade at certain places in the game, some of them several times. If you kill Kirk three times, you'll be able to pick up his thorn armor. You'll probably invade a certain NPC's world, too, later in the game to bring someone back to life.

And yeah, absolving sins is not cheap. However, it was twice as much before the patch. Just farm the Darkroot Garden and it shouldn't take too long.

#11 Posted by JackSukeru (5910 posts) -

@CptBedlam: Actually absolving sins was four times as much before the update. 500 x your soul level compared to 2000 x your soul level.

About invading NPC's, just like player invaders they only invade you if you are in human form and they won't invade you anymore if you've killed the boss of that area. Defeating them usually unlocks something, like their body will appear with the armor set they used somewhere in the world. Kirk is somewhat of a special case in that you need to get invaded by him in all three places to get his armor.

#12 Edited by Questionable (619 posts) -

@SpawnMan said:

@AndyD74: Hey yeah! It was a guy called Knight Kirk! No wonder he was crap lol. ; )

Any idea what this guy is about? Or maybe he just really likes invading in that area?

Kirk is a NPC black phantom that you will encounter 3x trough your play trough. beat him all three times and he will drop his armour

You can repeat the encounters as many times as needed as long as the area boss is still alife, ofcourse you will have to be alife to encounter him so its easy to lock yourself out of this content.

#Sorry for the poor english

#13 Posted by mr_ink_5000 (19 posts) -

Love it, what level are you? someone here might help

#14 Posted by Chet_Rippo (235 posts) -

@SpawnMan: Haha, yes Oswald of Carim will make any NPC forgive you. Also it is worth noting that you only betray the cat covenant by attacking the humans in the area before the cat's room- the stone giants and all other forest enemies will have no effect.

Props for beating Sif, he is a late-game boss so you really didn't have to do that yet, but now you should have the Covenant of Artorias which lets you fight the boss in the New Londo Ruins (place with all the ghosts). I'd recommend finishing the Depths/Blighttown though as it sounds like you haven't even rung the second bell yet. I would highly recommend bringing pyromancy as there is some crazy shit in blighttown.

#15 Posted by SpawnMan (748 posts) -

@Vadis: Yeah I was watching a play through and they didn't do ANY of the stuff I did lol. Somehow they got into Blightown pretty quickly through some sort of opening, and I just cannot remember how to find it! So I'm probably gonna finish off the depths and then maybe head over to the Catacombs or the ghost ruins.

#16 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@SpawnMan said:

@Vadis: Yeah I was watching a play through and they didn't do ANY of the stuff I did lol. Somehow they got into Blightown pretty quickly through some sort of opening, and I just cannot remember how to find it! So I'm probably gonna finish off the depths and then maybe head over to the Catacombs or the ghost ruins.

You can go to blight town the back way. Via swamps if you wanna. 
#17 Edited by CptBedlam (4449 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@SpawnMan said:

@Vadis: Yeah I was watching a play through and they didn't do ANY of the stuff I did lol. Somehow they got into Blightown pretty quickly through some sort of opening, and I just cannot remember how to find it! So I'm probably gonna finish off the depths and then maybe head over to the Catacombs or the ghost ruins.

You can go to blight town the back way. Via swamps if you wanna.

Only with the master key. And I recommend against it. It just makes the game even more confusing for new players.

The normal way to Blighttown is through the Depths.

(save the Catacombs and New Londo Ruins for later)

#18 Posted by EverydayOdyssey (171 posts) -

Your story is pretty wild. If I played Dark Souls in that sequence my head would've exploded.

#19 Posted by StrainedEyes (1324 posts) -

There is an order to completing Dark Souls that makes the game a lot more manageable.

#20 Posted by SpawnMan (748 posts) -

@Geo7877: F*ck the order! Stick it to the man!! ; )

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