Is there a trick to pulling off the backstab?

#1 Posted by Puchiko (54 posts) -

I can't for the life of me get the backstab animation to pull off. I sneak up behind enemies and have tried R1 or R2 and I don't get the animation for pulling off a backstab. I've also tried it circling enemies and doing it and despite being directly behind it never works. I have been watching EpicNameBros Youtube channel and watching him play he gets off a backstab nearly every time. Dunno what I'm doing wrong.

#2 Posted by TobbRobb (4554 posts) -

I'm not really sure. In the first 2 hours I couldn't do it at all, then it just clicked. I do it every time now. Just practice?
 
PS. I think the location of your right hand should be behind them.

#3 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4909 posts) -

You need to line up straight behind the enemy and be close enough before it will trigger.

#4 Posted by Aleryn (703 posts) -

Been having similar problems, despite having near-mastered it in Demon's Souls. Probably just getting back into the groove and all. Thanks for the suggestions so far.

#5 Posted by CornBREDX (4754 posts) -

The position is specific, so it's kind of difficult. I've done it a few times, but I can't do it consistently. I seem to be better at parry and riposte but you know, it's really about doing whats most comfortable for you.

Also, epicnamebro seems to have the best videos out there for this game. I haven't found anyone else yet with better info when trying to find out specifics on certain things. Except maybe the forums here on giantbomb. Every other video I've found were players that were worse at the game then me haha

#6 Posted by Chop (1991 posts) -

The key is to make sure your weapon is directly behind them, not you.

#7 Posted by DonChipotle (2693 posts) -

Also, your shield has to be down.

#8 Posted by MentalDisruption (1618 posts) -

Make a thief character and play through the first couple areas if you want some good practice. It's a very specific position to be standing in, but once you get it you'll be able to do it all of the time.

#9 Edited by CaptainTightPants (2834 posts) -
@Puchiko
I don't know, I find that if I tap forward and right bumper ( OR R1?) ( Like if you were doing a kick)  I don't even have to be directly behind them to backstab, the character will align himself even if I am a bit off to the side.
#10 Edited by SuperfluousMoniker (2906 posts) -

I find it helps to have the analog stick neutral before hitting R1. Get right behind them, let go of the stick and hit R1. I can do it fairly consistently, depends on the enemy though.

#11 Posted by Turambar (6638 posts) -
@DonChipotle said:

Also, your shield has to be down.

Very much so this.  I was failing back stabs for the longest time because I kept having my shield up.  That said, the amount of room you are given for back stabs seem a lot less than before in Demon's Souls .
#12 Posted by Hooded (435 posts) -

I find it easy, all I do is keep my sheild down circle my prey and hold up and press RB (R1). It works almost everytime, if you press up and RB at same time you kick, so hold up before you press RB.

#13 Posted by RadixNegative2 (510 posts) -

Do certain weapons or stats make it easier?

#14 Posted by MiniPato (2714 posts) -

Despite what some people say, it isn't necessarily right directly behind an enemy. Sometimes you're more successful at pulling it off if you're to the right and behind. Or after they attack, you have to be to the left and behind.

#15 Posted by Humanity (8714 posts) -

I've had more luck when I push forward on the analog and hold the attack button. I think it's just poor game design there's no secret to it. Sometimes it works when I'm slightly to the right? I still have issues doing the kick consistently. Although I've found a way to switch targeted enemies smoothly - flicking the analog always switches targets instead if you just move. If I just flick the stick it always works so there's a tip for you guys.

#16 Posted by Sanious (793 posts) -

@Turambar said:

@DonChipotle said:

Also, your shield has to be down.

Very much so this.

Yep, I had 'trouble' with it when I continually had my shield held up. After that I got them a lot more, and I also am not always right behind the enemy when I get one off.

#17 Posted by handlas (2636 posts) -

Been having trouble with this as well. Never had an issue in Demons Souls. Anyone know if there is a way to sprint as well? Seen some vids of guys running fast while using their stamina but I cant figure it out for the life of me.

#18 Edited by MentalDisruption (1618 posts) -

@handlas: Hold circle, or whatever button is roll if you're on 360. You can jump by pressing roll while you're sprinting as well.

#19 Posted by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -

From my experience, pretty much just luck.

#20 Posted by imsh_pl (3295 posts) -

A side note, does anyone have any advice on how to pull kicks more often? I tried hitting forward and R1 at the same time or with a slight delay in between, but can't really make it regularly.

#21 Edited by handlas (2636 posts) -

@MentalDisruption: Great, thanks man. That'll help me in a couple areas...like dodging those water projectiles from that big serpent thing in the lake.

Huh...maybe I'm dumb or maybe this isn't common knowledge but you can also jump. Sprint and then hit O or B while sprinting and ur guy will jump into a roll. No clue, so now those areas where you see a ledge in the distance that you think you cant get to makes sense now...cuz you jump to it. Der.

#22 Posted by Vitor (2809 posts) -

@Turambar said:

@DonChipotle said:

Also, your shield has to be down.

Very much so this. I was failing back stabs for the longest time because I kept having my shield up. That said, the amount of room you are given for back stabs seem a lot less than before in Demon's Souls .

It's definitely a lot more precise, almost frustratingly so.

Than again, I've encountered a couple of bugs already so had just assumed that was one of them.

#23 Posted by SuperfluousMoniker (2906 posts) -
@imsh_pl said:
A side note, does anyone have any advice on how to pull kicks more often? I tried hitting forward and R1 at the same time or with a slight delay in between, but can't really make it regularly.
I do it at the same time, pretend it's Smash Bros. I find it helps to let the stick snap back to neutral instead of holding up but that might just be me. I like jump attacks but missing the timing and doing a slow attack really stucks, but I have it down pretty well.
#24 Posted by D_W (1109 posts) -

This thread has really helped me out!

#25 Edited by RonGalaxy (2835 posts) -

Having a lot of trouble with back stabs, and I've tried pretty much everything in this thread. Im trying to kill havel, and backstabbing seems like the only way to do it at the level Im at. Maybe a more consistent strategy has been found since this threads last post?

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#26 Edited by Feels (75 posts) -

@naru_joe93 said:

Having a lot of trouble with back stabs, and I've tried pretty much everything in this thread. Im trying to kill havel, and backstabbing seems like the only way to do it at the level Im at. Maybe a more consistent strategy has been found since this threads last post?

@chop

said:

The key is to make sure your weapon is directly behind them, not you.

This is the only correct answer, which is kind of shocking -- how did no one else catch on? You have to position your weapon to the middle of the enemy's back which will result in back stabs 100% of the time. This means your character will be positioned somewhat to the side of the enemy, not directly behind them.

#27 Posted by Fredchuckdave (5169 posts) -

Backstabs are just about knowing "the spot" more or less, you get used to it over time. Also take note that regardless of the enemy's current motion their "back" stays at the same location on the hitbox, so for example the BKGA Dark Knight has an attack that puts his torso all the way forward, but his "back" with respect to backstabbing is still on his back heel on the other side of the NPC.

#28 Posted by RonGalaxy (2835 posts) -

@feels said:

@naru_joe93 said:

Having a lot of trouble with back stabs, and I've tried pretty much everything in this thread. Im trying to kill havel, and backstabbing seems like the only way to do it at the level Im at. Maybe a more consistent strategy has been found since this threads last post?

@chop

said:

The key is to make sure your weapon is directly behind them, not you.

This is the only correct answer, which is kind of shocking -- how did no one else catch on? You have to position your weapon to the middle of the enemy's back which will result in back stabs 100% of the time. This means your character will be positioned somewhat to the side of the enemy, not directly behind them.

That was the hardest strategy for me to pull off when attempting it, so I guess its the right one. Now I need to figure out how to get behind enemies consistently. Even when they attack, I can never get positioned correctly.

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#29 Posted by HistoryInRust (6268 posts) -

It also varies from enemy type to enemy type. Certain mid-and-late game enemies have a narrower backstab windows.

You'll just have to feel it out to get comfortable with it. It works, but like everything else in the game, it's particularly specific.

#30 Posted by development (1994 posts) -

@naru_joe93: I haven't seen anybody mention the actual tricks the game uses. If you just try to line up a shot from behind, you're likely to miss the shot.

  • For some reason, you need to push "up" on the left stick (assuming you're locked on) while behind them. If you don't hold "up" you likely won't land it. I think it may work because it tells the game engine you're finished strafing and it makes the window of attack clear.
  • Also important: a backstab window doesn't actually move or rotate until an enemy finishes their "pivot" or rotation. In other words, if an enemy is turning to try to face you and you're circling them, you want to aim for the spot their back "was," not where it currently is... unless they've finished their pivot. You'll notice all enemies do a funny little "wobble" where they only turn a little at a time; that's the pivot or "turn" I'm referring to.

Source: I've played dick-loads of Dark Souls. Works like a charm. Besides these tips, the best I can say is to practice. After awhile you'll just get a feel for it.

*Bonus* If you parry an enemy and want to do more damage, you can switch to two-handed, but you likely won't connect the riposte unless you wait for half a second after switching to two-handed. Following up immediately almost always just attacks like normal; you need to wait a split-second until your character's "switching" animation completes.


#31 Edited by TheManWithNoPlan (5127 posts) -

Just keep practicing I guess. I eventually learned how to do it. There is however a tight window for you to catch the animation. You have to be fairly close to the enemy for it to trigger.

#32 Posted by MikeLemmer (517 posts) -

You can co-op with others for practice, too. It's easier to line up a backstab (and get a feel for where the back is) when someone else is distracting the enemy.

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