Voice Chat will be removed from both versions...Deal with it.

#1 Edited by mordukai (7133 posts) -

I do not know if this was mentioned on these boards yet so if it did the I apologize.  
 
Many of you who played Demon's Souls are fully aware that there is no in-game voice chat and the players only have the option of using the gestures/emote system, or opening a text chat room. While the gesture system was limited it did convey basic communication between players. If players wanted a deeper understanding between each other then then chat room would be another options. Both methods are in no way ideal but they did work and after a few sessions you would not even think about the lack of voice chat.  
 
So when Dark Souls was officially announced my biggest hope for it was a proper voice chat.  My hope were even bigger after I read that the developer would be building their coop after Demon's Souls but would expanded and improve upon it. Naturally I though to myself that a proper chat system will be in the game so when I found out that Dark Souls will not have voice chat I was disappointed. However, I trust From Software and I know they will find a solution and if they think that the game needs no voice chat then the game needs no voice chat. I'll get over it. Then I started thinking that the 360, unlike the PS3, is not limited to only in-game chat but also offer voice chat through Cross Game, Privet, and Party chat and that maybe 360 players will find a way around it. However, this is not going to be the case. 
 

Having no Voice Chat sure makes this guy very loud

 

Illikar, who I know from the Demon's Souls wikia pages, have confirmed that From software have asked and been given permission by MS to disable in game, cross game, privet, and party chat with the 360 version and effectively blocking all voice chat in the game. This have made some 360 players very angry including one in particular. Big Red Husker, as he's apparently known on XBL, Have taken this very badly. This was taken from his post on the Dark Souls forums:  



URGENT: Regarding the upcoming game Dark Souls, made by From Software and Published by Namco Bandai, for Xbox 360 and As a loyal customer and subscriber to Xbox and Xbox Live, it disappoints me to hear that From Software has asked and been granted permission by Microsoft to disable in game Xbox 360 Voice Chat, Private Chat, and Party Chat. while playing their game Dark Souls. Especially Party chat. As a customer of Microsoft and a Subscriber to Xbox Live. And a potential customer to From Software and Namco Bandai. I do not give Microsoft / Xbox, permission to disable 3 services that is part of the subscription service that I am paying for. 


Please inform From Software and Namco Bandai that these features especially party chat must not be disabled.


 
As you can see from his post he is not a happy camper and he has taken upon himself to let everyone on the Dark Souls and the 360 forums know how "pissed" he is. 
 
This leaves me with two questions for all the 360 players who are getting Dark Souls.   
  1. Have you played coop on Demon's Souls?
  2. Does the absences of voice chat anger you to the point where it's a deal breaker?
#2 Posted by EuanDewar (4758 posts) -

Taking out Party chat for the entire game kind of annoys me. I do like to chill just chattin' with dudes when playing games.

Ahhh who cares I don't even know if I'm getting this game anyway.

#3 Posted by Hailinel (23901 posts) -

Frankly, I'm fine with it. I was never that fond of voice chat to begin with and don't even use it in my games that do support it.

#4 Posted by Daroki (709 posts) -

People talking ruins the isolation that the game strives for. That eerie silence from not hearing other people in the game adds to the atmosphere, and if you don't get that, then don't get this.

#5 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Not sure why you felt the need to call out a specific person. Talk about childish.

#6 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@Daroki said:

People talking ruins the isolation that the game strives for. That eerie silence from not hearing other people in the game adds to the atmosphere, and if you don't get that, then don't get this.

Do you get that you can disable voice chat in your own game without taking the feature away completely for everyone? Someone explain how modern technology works to this guy.
#7 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19308 posts) -

Good.

#8 Posted by Hailinel (23901 posts) -

Also, I'd like to take a moment to point out that Big Red Husker is apparently an idiot if he thinks he has the ability to grant or revoke permission regarding business decisions that he has no control over, especially if he wasn't even sure he wanted to buy the game in the first place.

Also, if his username is any indication, he's a Nebraska Cornhusker fan, which would make his opinion completely invalid to begin with.

#9 Posted by DarknessMyOldFriend (211 posts) -
@Mordukai: God, dude, reading your stuff is rough.  The combination of trying too hard and under executing really just makes the incongruities stand out.
 
That being said, the guy has a perfect right to be upset about losing a core part of the service he pays for.  Obviously the easiest solution is to not play the game, but there should be an option to decline the disabling if you want to play the game but do not want to give up elements of your service.  I doubt there are legal grounds under which he can protest (I mean it's not like I pay any attention to the TOS) but he has a right to object as a consumer of the products.
#10 Posted by Tru3_Blu3 (3186 posts) -

Private chat.
 
Teh edn.

#11 Posted by Hailinel (23901 posts) -

@Tru3_Blu3 said:

Private chat. Teh edn.

All forms of chat will be disabled while playing Dark Souls, including Private.

#12 Posted by CaptainComedy (41 posts) -
@ryanwho: christ you're arrogant! are you somehow better for letting him know you think he's childish? "somebody explain modern technology to this guy?" funny man! i'm laughing here
 
anyway that being said, voice chat just irritates me in almost every game, mostly because i rarely encounter people using it to any productive end.
it's usually people playing with their speakers really loud, or listening to music on their goddamned boombox, or both at the same time. i rarely turn my headset on now :(
#13 Edited by mordukai (7133 posts) -
@ryanwho said:

Not sure why you felt the need to call out a specific person. Talk about childish.

I did not call anyone out. If the person can't stand behind his words then don't post anything. I am sick of people getting butt hurt when they get called on for shit they are saying.  Also, either have something to contribute and in a nice way or don't post anything at all. I am kinda sick by your "AssHolier then thou" attitude. 
#14 Posted by SomeDeliCook (2224 posts) -

But can they block using CELL PHONES? DUN DUN DUN

Can't stop me from chatting with my friends

#15 Edited by LetsRockBaby (241 posts) -

Good. I wouldn't wanna hear people raging over their mics whenever they die or some shit anyway.
 
I can always chat with buddies I'm playing with via steam chat like I do whenever I play any game with them.

#16 Edited by iDarktread (1206 posts) -

TeamSpeak, bitches. 
 
EDIT: Less than a month until release! Cannot waaait.

#17 Posted by Marz (5642 posts) -

There's always skype :D

#18 Posted by Chop (1994 posts) -
I'm fine with this and get why they're doing it. They're really pushing the whole atmosphere and isolation thing and hearing some 13 year old call you a homo or your friend raging would probably adversely affect it. 
#19 Posted by Enigma777 (6057 posts) -

There's no real "co-op" in Demon's Souls. I assume Dark Souls is going to be the same, so I really don't see why they disabled voice chat. I mean if people are gonna go through the incredibly painstaking process of getting in the same session together, they probably have a way to communicate already.

#20 Posted by CaptainComedy (41 posts) -
@Chop: same reason journey is doing it, and the effect will likely be just as... effective, whenever it finally comes out!
#21 Posted by Turambar (6675 posts) -

I am quite ok with this.

#22 Edited by Tru3_Blu3 (3186 posts) -
@Hailinel said:

@Tru3_Blu3 said:

Private chat. Teh edn.

All forms of chat will be disabled while playing Dark Souls, including Private.

"I HOPE HE USES A FIRE SPELL." "FUCK WHAT SPELL I USE?!" LOSE ALL SOULS. FIGHT HAPPENS AT TOMORROW'S LUNCH
#23 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@Marz said:

There's always skype :D

Consoles brah. Console users. PC gaming is dead.

#24 Posted by mordukai (7133 posts) -
@SomeDeliCook said:

But can they block using CELL PHONES? DUN DUN DUN

Can't stop me from chatting with my friends

Me and my friends are actually going to be using Skype.
#25 Posted by Enigma777 (6057 posts) -

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Marz said:

There's always skype :D

Consoles brah. Console users. PC gaming is dead.

Laptops brah. Tablet users. PC gaming is dead.

#26 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@Enigma777 said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Marz said:

There's always skype :D

Consoles brah. Console users. PC gaming is dead.

Laptops brah. Tablet users. PC gaming is dead.

Razer Switchblade broseph. SAVED PC GAMING.

#27 Posted by Quacktastic (1066 posts) -

Disabling it in-game seems fine, but disabling party chat is a mistake.
Not hearing some stranger jumping into your game and spout shit is good, but if you want to talk a friend there are a hundred different ways.  Might as well make it easier rather than harder.

#28 Posted by Enigma777 (6057 posts) -

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Enigma777 said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Marz said:

There's always skype :D

Consoles brah. Console users. PC gaming is dead.

Laptops brah. Tablet users. PC gaming is dead.

Razer Switchblade broseph. SAVED PC GAMING.

Amen hallelujah!

#29 Posted by atomic_dumpling (2458 posts) -

I do not give Microsoft / Xbox, permission to disable 3 services that is part of the subscription service that I am paying for. 

 That seems to be a valid point. Isn't this a breach of contract of sorts?
#30 Posted by Quacktastic (1066 posts) -
@atomic_dumpling: Everyone has probably clicked through at least 10 EULAs that allow them to do whatever the hell they want.
#31 Edited by MiniPato (2721 posts) -

I think they should allow chat to be enabled if you're inviting a friend. If you're playing with friends, atmosphere isn't the priority, it's communication between you and your friend and having a good time playing the game and sharing comments and responses, etc. As much as I love Demon's Souls, From Software shouldn't push their views onto other people. Voice chat might ruin the game's atmosphere for some, but that doesn't mean you should take the option away from people. That only limits the play experience. Having more options is much better than no options at all.

Online
#32 Posted by mordukai (7133 posts) -
@atomic_dumpling said:

I do not give Microsoft / Xbox, permission to disable 3 services that is part of the subscription service that I am paying for. 

 That seems to be a valid point. Isn't this a breach of contract of sorts?
No. TOC states that MS reserves the right to disable any services they please on the console and XBL at any time they want. 
#33 Posted by atomic_dumpling (2458 posts) -
@Mordukai said:
@atomic_dumpling said:

I do not give Microsoft / Xbox, permission to disable 3 services that is part of the subscription service that I am paying for. 

 That seems to be a valid point. Isn't this a breach of contract of sorts?
No. TOC states that MS reserves the right to disable any services they please on the console and XBL at any time they want. 
That settles that then.
#34 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@atomic_dumpling said:

@Mordukai said:
@atomic_dumpling said:

I do not give Microsoft / Xbox, permission to disable 3 services that is part of the subscription service that I am paying for.

That seems to be a valid point. Isn't this a breach of contract of sorts?
No. TOC states that MS reserves the right to disable any services they please on the console and XBL at any time they want.
That settles that then.

NO IT DOES NOT. MEN, GET TO YOUR COMPUTERS! IT'S PETITION TIME.

#35 Posted by ShiftyMagician (2129 posts) -

Honestly I support their notion of forcing everyone to experience the game as exactly intended, without being able to play it differently.  At the very least they had the decency to announce this now so people can have a think about it before purchasing it.  I wouldn't find it a problem at all but I guess some really do want to talk to people enough to want to force the developer's hand about this.  It will be interesting to see how From Software will react to the divisive fan reactions.

#36 Posted by SirPsychoSexy (1328 posts) -

I am glad they are doing this. This is the type of game where chat could just take you out of it.

#37 Edited by BulletproofMonk (2718 posts) -

I played through Demon's Souls completely by myself, and I will do so in Dark Souls.

#38 Posted by ervonymous (1297 posts) -

Sounds archaic but I never voice chat anyway, too bad for those who do though.

#39 Posted by owl_of_minerva (1455 posts) -

I wish all games banned chat, especially those on Xbox.
#40 Posted by Aishan (1009 posts) -

I don't see why anyone would support this decision. Players are already free to get their "sense of isolation" or whatever by simply not using voice-chat by their own volition. Blocking someone from being able to chat with another person who might not even be playing the same game as them is just nonsensical.

#41 Posted by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -
@EuanDewar said:

Taking out Party chat for the entire game kind of annoys me. I do like to chill just chattin' with dudes when playing games.

Ahhh who cares I don't even know if I'm getting this game anyway.

Yeah seems strange that they would do that. I guess it pushes the atmosphere forward but what about if you just want to have an unrelated party chat while you mindlessly grind souls? I think people should be able to decide for themselves how much atmosphere they care to get immersed in.  

Like Demon's Souls I'm sure I'll play this whole thing alone and in silence anyways, just seems kind of unnecessary and excessive.  
#42 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -

Not the first time MS has blocked party chat in a game upon request. Pretty sure MW2 did it as well. Having played hundreds of hours of Demons Souls I don't see anything wrong with it either. If you're really determined just get on Skype or something like my friends and I did. 
 
If you ask me, it's to maintain the basic difficulty across both platforms. On PSN you don't have the benefit of party chat, which means that communicating with phantoms (if you've invited your friends) is more difficult. This makes the game more difficult. If you were on party chat with your friends, the game gets much easier if you're able to coordinate. It also puts invading black phantoms at a disadvantage if everyone is communicating than if they're scattered and unable to communicate (yes, some people might not care about disadvantaging black phantoms but they represent a real danger in game.) Yeah, all of this difficulty balancing is thrown out the window if you hop on Skype or something, but they're doing what they can to maintain a consistent game design across platforms.

#43 Posted by Aishan (1009 posts) -

@benjaebe said:

Pretty sure MW2 did it as well.

It did, and it was a stupid, awful decision then. I just loved having to listen the wonderful XBL community when I wanted to play TDM or Domination with my friends.

#44 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -
@Aishan said:

@benjaebe said:

Pretty sure MW2 did it as well.

It did, and it was a stupid, awful decision then. I just loved having to listen the wonderful XBL community when I wanted to play TDM or Domination with my friends.

Not something I agreed with either, but we aren't dealing with public lobbies or anything in Dark Souls. Not such an awful decision in this case and, if you ask me, it's a pretty good one.
#45 Posted by Toms115 (2316 posts) -

" I do not give Microsoft / Xbox, permission to disable 3 services that is part of the subscription service that I am paying for. " 
 
lol

#46 Edited by Karkarov (2982 posts) -

We will know when the game launches but it would be par for the course if it was disabled.  Meanwhile by official forums I am assuming you mean "prepare to die.com" which last I looked made gamespot forums seem good.  I wouldn't worry about what some idiot XBL user wants or base anything on "well my buddy at namco says' things from Ilkar.  Those who want to bypass all this and have voice chat while playing will still find ways to do it, just like they did in Demon's Souls with Vent/Skype/Mumble/cell phones/etc etc.  But it is not needed for the game and the producers made all the arguments about why this was needed two years ago when they released Demon's Souls.  Reasoning is still the same and it is still accurate.

#47 Posted by swamplord666 (1757 posts) -

@BulletproofMonk: you should really play coop. It was a lot of fun in Demon's souls and the community was quite awesome.

#48 Posted by TobbRobb (4579 posts) -

I have a computer in the same room, >.> just sayin'.

#49 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4909 posts) -
@BulletproofMonk said:

I played through Demon's Souls completely by myself, and I will do so in Dark Souls.

So did i, i only tried out the online stuff, a couple of times. And found i enjoyed it better by my self. So this won't bother me at all. And if i'm really dying to play some co-op there is always skype if you really want to communicate.
#50 Posted by TheBlackPigeon (314 posts) -

Allow me to answer your questions:
 
1. Yes, I've used the online features in Demon's Souls. 
2. No, I am not bothered by the removal of voice chat. I was able to communicate just fine with other players via messages and gestures.

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