"It disturbs me that I thought it was a joke at first. I would prefer waiting until I hear (not just from Sony, mind you) reliable sources telling me that the cards were actually compromised, rather than cancel a card based on something I don't have enough info to make an informed decision based upon. "

EPIC TROLL

Holy fuck, Sony. 
Holy fuck..

" @MrAristocrates said:

"It disturbs me that I thought it was a joke at first. I would prefer waiting until I hear (not just from Sony, mind you) reliable sources telling me that the cards were actually compromised, rather than cancel a card based on something I don't have enough info to make an informed decision based upon. "

Pull your head out of the sand.  Sony and anyone else they hire may not ever be able to conclusively tell you what exactly was stolen, but that shouldn't matter at all.  The fact is that they had your information in a system that was breached.  Is that not enough?  Does someone need to buy a yacht with your personal information for you to see that something is wrong?  You should protect yourself first and worry about everything else later. "

Still don't understand why people feel the need to defend gigantic corporations, do people not realize that Sony really don't care about you in the slightest and if they got a profit from murdering you they would do it?

" Still don't understand why people feel the need to defend gigantic corporations, do people not realize that Sony really don't care about you in the slightest and if they got a profit from murdering you they would do it? "

I decided to request a new card after they announced that passwords were compromised. I didn't trust that they had kept my credit card number secure after they couldn't keep my password out of the wrong hands. Sony had my debit card on file, so I didn't need someone cleaning out my bank account. It will be Pre-paid cards only for me on PSN going forward.

"I declare the word "fanboy" to be a variation on Godwin's law, in that someone will always bring it up. "

" @MrAristocrates:  They will never be able to tell you whether or not your card was stolen.  The fact that you don't understand this is amazing to me.  And it's equally amazing that you'd wait for someone else to tell you that it's okay to do what you need to do to protect your livelihood.  I am beginning to believe that you don't actually believe any of this shit and you just like starting a big flame war.

Grow the fuck up.

"

I don't feel bad for Sony. They tried to bully a bunch of kids and now they are getting punched in the nose over and over again. Not to mention the fact that it took Sony 150+ hours to provide a semi-mediocre response about the issue. 

At least if they stole my credit card details I can blame all the porn purchases on them when the Bank asks.

" I don't feel bad for Sony. They tried to bully a bunch of kids and now they are getting punched in the nose over and over again. Not to mention the fact that it took Sony 150+ hours to provide a semi-mediocre response about the issue. 

If they can afford the lawyers and all the time they spent going after a couple of kids then they can afford making it right for their customers. Oh wait, I forgot that instead of providing customers with a year subscription to experian, equifax or transunion...they are offering 30 days to PSNplus. Thanks Sony, you are really making it up to your customers.

That being said, Sony has really disappointed me. Its obvious that their IT security department is as inept as whoever made the decision to try to ruin a kids life. I've lost my trust in Sony (as a business) even though I was not affected. Maybe they'll regain my trust if they make organizational changes and fire the people that allowed  this to happen in the first place. Until then, I will give my business to MS and Nintendo. I knew that I should have bought Mortal Kombat for the Xbox. oh well. But frankly, it's not worth dealing with a mediocre company just to  play Gods of War and Uncharted .

"

This news just keeps getting better and better.

Thank Christ I can't afford a credit card.

" @Phoenix87 said:

" Even 1 exposed is too many. "

Oh shut up. Unless you are a 1 man, top security firm, I think I'll just assume that your another whining prick. Nothing is perfect. Even military body armor can't stop every round. How can you expect it to be any different for cyber security? 900 isn't that bad, especially if the people know about it. If you have a credit card and you don't keep an eye on your account, especially when you've been notified of this kind of event, your just asking for it. It sucks, maybe they could have done better, but that's a tiny number relatively speaking, and it's not like they just gave em out to criminals. Why blame the people who spent 4 years planning a bank heist when you can blame the bank, right?

/sigh

@m0rdr3d said:

"

Nice going, Sony!  "Meh.  They were mostly expired cards.  Why secure em."

Don't think I'll be doing business with those pricks ever again.  Anyone wanna buy a PS3 Slim?

"

Except they were secure. Just separate.
But hey, feel free to be a big baby about all of this and act like Sony fucked you in the ass with a steel rod. Also, SOE is totally separate from the Playstation division. Sony is so big with so many parts, it's basically a confederation, in business form. Blaming one division for the failing of another is just silly.

"

@MordeaniisChaos:
Except that they actually weren't secure because Sony just told you the hackers got them.  But hey, feel free to be a big Sony fanboy and "act like Sony fucked you in the ass with a steel rod"...and you liked it.

And, for the record, I didn't say I'd never buy another Sony TV (I probably won't since they're needlessly more expensive).  Just don't plan on buying anything on their shitty networks.  If this happens on XBL, the same goes for them.

Wonder how many of the stolen credit cards go to the diehard fans of PS Home beta, maybe this might get them to reconsider buying things for it, that is if the weeks long delay of being able to play PS Home hasn't sent them packing/mad.

" @MrAristocrates: 

They  went out of their way to fool customers by stating in a pop-up message  that the "Network is down due to maintenance" when trying to log into PSN. Actually, that message is still on today. Am I lying? As far as I'm concerned that is deceiving behavior."

wait, so only 900 people are playing SOE games with active accounts?  Hehe I just skimmed the article.  Couldn't care less at this point - already changed all my similar passwords and made sure they didn't have my CC info.

Do they plan on emailing the people who's accounts they've lost?  Sounds like the right thing to do seeing as they seem to already have enough information to tell that those cards are expired.  

" @MrAristocrates: 

From what I understand, 48 hours after PSN went down there were rumors that the network had gotten hacked. It wasn't until 5 or 6 days later that Sony finally admitted that this had happened. They  went out of their way to fool customers by stating in a pop-up message  that the "Network is down due to maintenance" when trying to log into PSN. Actually, that message is still on today. Am I lying? As far as I'm concerned that is deceiving behavior.

As far as credit monitoring. What I suggested is not unheard of. Many companies have fallen victims to this type of activity and they offer customers a year of credit monitoring. A 3 month PSNplus card is $17.99 (approx $5.99 a month.) The service for credit monitoring is $9.99 per month or $7.99 per month if you pay the whole year. So Sony puts customers information at risk and throws $5.99 to each customer and we are supposed to feel satisfied?

You are right that GeoHot is old enough to know what he was doing. However, what he did was not a criminal act. That is why he never got arrested just sued by Sony. Sony should learn from Apple who just did what they had to do to secure the iphones after GeoHot jail-broke the phone. Or they could have put him in their payroll like Google did. The fact of the matter is that the arrogance of Sony executives got the best of them and now we are paying for them.

"

" @MrAristocrates said:

" @WinterSnowblind said:

" @MrAristocrates said:

" @Tekkor said:

" You have to be either an employee of Sony or have a Sony fanboy tattoo to be defending them at this point. "

Or do any research whatsoever. "

I find it highly amusing that it's only the people with blue usernames (and KaosAngel, who's a Sony fanboy anyway) defending them at this point. But please, point me in the direction if this research that I've clearly skipped over, that nulls the fact they've lost my personal details and maybe even my credit card information twice.
"

Maybe it's because the people with the blue usernames aren't posting in the first article they see without looking anything else up. I'd be a lot more open to what you had to say if you weren't so rude about it.Also, again, research. We still don't have any evidence that the PSN credit card info was even accessed.I declare the word "fanboy" to be a variation on Godwin's law, in that someone will always bring it up. "

Fanboy. "

So the UK has been unaffected by the CC leak?

you know how many companies get information about customers hacked out of their databases on a daily basis? credit cards, names addresses, scammers and hackers already know most of this by simply mining your facebook page, it boggles the mind how people are so dumb about privacy on the internet, just as your ISP can see everything your doing and send you letter to cease and desist, a hacker can see everything you do on your PC if your not careful, having worked fixing others people computers for the past 10 years I can tell you that most Americans and users have no idea how to properly keeps their computers safe and secure, I am no way defending Sony, but I think people need to realize it happens everyday and it can happen to any company, it was Sony's turn today, perhaps tomorrow it is someone else's, it is the world we live in.

Learn from it and move on.

Oh and   @WinterSnowblind  My name being blue means nothing, I am a Huge PC gamer and barely touch my Consoles, yes Consoles as I own all 3 + a PsP and DSi, so I got no idea where your going with that fanboy nonsense.

" @MrAristocrates said:

" @Saga said:

" @MrAristocrates: 

From what I understand, 48 hours after PSN went down there were rumors that the network had gotten hacked. It wasn't until 5 or 6 days later that Sony finally admitted that this had happened. They  went out of their way to fool customers by stating in a pop-up message  that the "Network is down due to maintenance" when trying to log into PSN. Actually, that message is still on today. Am I lying? As far as I'm concerned that is deceiving behavior.

As far as credit monitoring. What I suggested is not unheard of. Many companies have fallen victims to this type of activity and they offer customers a year of credit monitoring. A 3 month PSNplus card is $17.99 (approx $5.99 a month.) The service for credit monitoring is $9.99 per month or $7.99 per month if you pay the whole year. So Sony puts customers information at risk and throws $5.99 to each customer and we are supposed to feel satisfied?

You are right that GeoHot is old enough to know what he was doing. However, what he did was not a criminal act. That is why he never got arrested just sued by Sony. Sony should learn from Apple who just did what they had to do to secure the iphones after GeoHot jail-broke the phone. Or they could have put him in their payroll like Google did. The fact of the matter is that the arrogance of Sony executives got the best of them and now we are paying for them.
"

Yes. Rumors. Because most giant companies trust rumors above their own investigations. They found out Monday, we found out Tuesday. It's not hard.

As far as I'm aware, the maintanance message comes on anytime there is network downtime (likely because it is the most frequent cause of downtime), and they can't update it because, in case you haven't noticed, PSN is down. If I call you, then my phone's battery dies, and it turns out what I said earlier was wrong, I didn't willfully decei ve you, I was acting upon the information I had. I'm sure you would have preferred Sony delayed the investigation to send out a system update just to change that phrase.

EVERY SINGLE NEWS POST I've read on the subject includes the line "free download," but everyone always ignores that and jumps straight on the PSN+. What you suggested (a year of those services), would cost 120 dollars per account (sorry, using the first number), would cost Sony over 9 billion 240 million dollars, and that's if those companies agree. It would be a huge waste of money. I'm surprised we're getting anything at all, especially since people keep whining about compensation (many times I have heard, "I don't care about my details, what am I getting out of this?" or something to that effect).When a console is cracked, most people exploit it to pirate games. Sony was trying to protect their investments. I may not agree with the way they went about it, but it's true. "

" awesome man "

I saw that only 900 credit card numbers had been exposed and I =)'d.

Then i saw they were 900 new numbers from another database and I *facepalm*'d.

" @xtrminatr:  "Investigating the possibility of an external intrusion". This is not the same thing as "your personal information may have been compromised." "

I can't say I like the way this is being reported.  "Only" 900 aren't expired.  So everyone's safe then.  Yay.

Except for the fact that most card issuers don't change the card number when it expires.  They issue a new one with the exact same number, only updating the expiration date.  So (assuming a standard number of users allowed the cards to renew) out of the 12,700 cards, it's likely that  at least 10,000 are compromised.  Not 900.  All you have to do is add 3-4 years to the expiration date depending on the issuer.  And since the first few numbers of the card are codes for the card type and issuer, that's not hard to figure out.

Sony needs to put aside it's spining of these numbers, and warn people of facts like this, instead of giving them a false sense of security by suggesting that only the 900 cards that are still active are at risk.  And if Sony won't, then the media needs to step up and do it, instead of just parroting what Sony says.

Those numbers sound fake.

Good thing I cancelled my card last week.

This might explain why the PSN was down....

Sony, just because they are expired, does not mean the personal data associated with them is expired as well. A 2011 award should go to Sony for "Biggest Cockup of the Year"

I love the terms Sony continually uses...maybe, may have, possibly and oh unlikely your credit cards are out in the wild...

They are so inconsistent with these reports it's getting a little freaky.

That's not good. Check yo credit reports!

@m0rdr3d said:

"

Nice going, Sony!  "Meh.  They were mostly expired cards.  Why secure em."

Don't think I'll be doing business with those pricks ever again.  Anyone wanna buy a PS3 Slim?

"

Except they were secure. Just separate.
But hey, feel free to be a big baby about all of this and act like Sony fucked you in the ass with a steel rod. Also, SOE is totally separate from the Playstation division. Sony is so big with so many parts, it's basically a confederation, in business form. Blaming one division for the failing of another is just silly.

"

I already threw out my PS3.

Sony is so fucked