I love it when games fuck with your head, that subtle transcendence from videogame to reality as you suddenly doubt just what exactly can be believed and what is a artificial manipulation of a mental state in an attempt to cause confusion and befuddlement. It demonstrates a level of empathy that really is beyond any other, actually managing to trick the player. Eternal Darkness and Metal Gear Solid 2 both got one over me, tricked me into thinking there was a problem when there was none. There are other games like Bioshock which manipulate you, even Mario Galaxy to an extent, to the point where you question just how much freedom you have whilst playing the game itself.

What if, somehow, a game could temporarily make your Xbox 360 Red Ring.

I love it when games fuck with your head, that subtle transcendence from videogame to reality as you suddenly doubt just what exactly can be believed and what is a artificial manipulation of a mental state in an attempt to cause confusion and befuddlement. It demonstrates a level of empathy that really is beyond any other, actually managing to trick the player. Eternal Darkness and Metal Gear Solid 2 both got one over me, tricked me into thinking there was a problem when there was none. There are other games like Bioshock which manipulate you, even Mario Galaxy to an extent, to the point where you question just how much freedom you have whilst playing the game itself.

What if, somehow, a game could temporarily make your Xbox 360 Red Ring.

Oh man. That would be like what Eternal Darkness's blue screens did but instead of laughing you'd be like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

First of all awesome thread title. Second of all, if a game did that to my 360 and i didn't know about it before hand and I turned the 360 off and say i hadn't saved for the pas3 hours like say this was persona 5. I'd also probably crap building materials. Building materials of pure rage.

That would fuck me up but royally.

Dead Space, finally took the plunge. That game was a keeper... well, until I traded it in after I finished it.

So basically you just need to play Eternal Darkness again until it tells you that it's erasing all of the data from Memory Card Slot 1?  And that your controller is unplugged?  lol

That would make me D=

The surprise would probably leak out though. I'm not sure you could do some of the tricks those games pulled off today without it leaking to the internet super early and spoiling the surprise for everyone. Just like the way movie spoiler leak out nowadays- we'll never get any huge surprises like: "Luke I am your father" in movies these days- I suspect it's a similar situation with such fourth-wall shenanigans in games.

Mind Fuck?

Dead Space was the best game of 2008.

" That would make me D= The surprise would probably leak out though. I'm not sure you could do some of the tricks those games pulled off today without it leaking to the internet super early and spoiling the surprise for everyone. Just like the way movie spoiler leak out nowadays- we'll never get any huge surprises like: "Luke I am your father" in movies these days- I suspect it's a similar situation with such fourth-wall shenanigans in games. "

Indeed. That would be the greatest mind fuck ever.

I just finished playing through Dead Space last night, amazing game.

Sorry to bring the unfortunate subject of anime into this otherwise great topic, but End of Evangelion is like a Mind Fuck and an Acid Trip at the same time. But yes, I would be seriously messed up if a game could temporarily red-ring my Xbox.

Dead Space was good, but I dunno if it was a great mind F, maybe I had too much spoiled or w/e.

I've been yearning for a serious one for a while. I want the doorway I just walked through to disappear when I turn my head, I want NPCs to just off themselves mid sentence, I want my HUD to suddenly be filled with jibberish and when I look at my objectives words just start getting replaced until it just says rape hate body cry rape, which is an idea I pretty much took from this http://www.indiegames.com/blog/2009/04/freeware_game_pick_triptych_in.html

" Sorry to bring the unfortunate subject of anime into this otherwise great topic, but End of Evangelion is like a Mind Fuck and an Acid Trip at the same time. But yes, I would be seriously messed up if a game could temporarily red-ring my Xbox. "

That was so cool when eternal darkness did that on your gamecube.

Sometimes I wish I could've gotten a Gamecube, just to buy Eternal Darkness for it. That game is so creative.

Yeah Dead Space has the most transparent plot twists of any game in recent (10-year) memory. Seriously, that game's plot could not be more clichéd.

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I had a game do that to me once, it wasn't temporary though.

I have no idea how you can describe Dead Space as a mindfuck. It's so generic.

" @HandsomeDead: Generic? I think the IP is pretty original and the way the game is done has a lot of things that haven't been done, or haven't been done correctly before. "

Metal Gear Solid 2 had the craziest shit for me, especially when in Arsenal Gear. It was pretty cool how you really didn't know any more than Raiden, aside from Pliskin obviously being Snake. Both the character and you - the player - go through the game, slowly gathering information and feeling like you're being left in the dark. A plot twist comes, but then another plot twist comes straight after, which nullifies what you had just heard.

Kojima's pretty good with adding weird touches to all the MGS games.

I haven't played Eternal Darkness, but it sounds pretty cool.

i think the end of castle crahers more then qualifies as a mind fuck...i mean seriously, shes a clown for christs sake!!!

" i think the end of castle crahers more then qualifies as a mind fuck...i mean seriously, shes a clown for christs sake!!! "

biggest videogame mindfuck will have to go to MGS2

that ending ruined me

i almost became one of those crazy conspiracy theorists people and started thinking weird things about the government

i'd only drink rain water for like a week for fear of nanomachines being implanted in bottled water..

" First of all awesome thread title. Second of all, if a game did that to my 360 and i didn't know about it before hand and I turned the 360 off and say i hadn't saved for the pas3 hours like say this was persona 5. I'd also probably crap building materials. Building materials of pure rage. "

That would be so awesome.

There are Dead Space spoilers coming. You have been warned.

Eternal Darkness wins gold in the Mind Fuck Olympics by a country mile. Dead Space and MGS series as has been mentioned a lot already had a lot of ! moments as well, but I dont know if I would quite go with mind fuck though. At least not to the degree of Eternal Darkness.

" @HandsomeDead: This is pretty much pointless because we both think differently and are probably not going to back down but just hear me out :PThe story (but mostly the backstory, not what you see, but all that happened before/up until the Marker incident) is very interesting. Sure, the game has a lot of back and forth (it's basically just that) but I think it managed to keep you on your toes, ready for a potential Necromorphs to cut you or whatever. Also, the fact that the interface is all in real time, that you're picking up video, audio or text files along the way, that's pretty awesome too. They play on the fly and just vanish the same way they appeared. It really makes the experience a lot more immersive. And frankly, that's what I loved about the game. The immersion. Maybe that's the difference between you and I. Hell, when you're in space, the devs have actually made it so you don't really hear a sound... I dunno, there are just so many great things that the way you put it made me cringe.So yeah, it's not generic, because the way you put it, every single game is generic. Get from Point A to B.Thanks for reading, carry on now :PEDIT: Anyone up for an Eternal Darkness game on the X360? Of all people, this dev team would certainly do it (the RRoD thing) "

" @Oni said:

" Yeah Dead Space has the most transparent plot twists of any game in recent (10-year) memory. Seriously, that game's plot could not be more clichéd. "

...and yet it was still a solid story with a good back history written out for it and tons of little clues to pick up over the course of it all?  I mean, just because a story is cliched, does that mean it sucks?  Personally, as long as the story is well told...which it was with Dead Space...then it doesn't matter how many cliches they throw in there. "

Dead Space did have a very unique, "mind fuck" climax and I actually fell for it, giving me a big surprise at the end.

Your idea scares me, but in an awesome kind of way. I don't know if Microsoft would allow that to happen, but if they did, expect a lot of angry message board rants and the selected few who praise the effort. Honestly, I see it being more controversial but I would love to see how it work work out.

Nothing like being in the middle of MGS2 and getting the Game over screen, and you're still playing, or all of a sudden having scenes from Metal Gear show up on your radio.

That game was awesome...sorta.

man rrod fake
more of a kick to the balls if you ask me

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There are Dead Space spoilers coming. You have been warned.

For those too lazy to look up the level names for themselves, here they are. Noticed the first letter of every level name, and then enjoy the feeling of your brain exploding inside of your skull.New Arrivals Intensive Care Course Correction Obliteration Imminent Lethal Devotion Environmental Hazard Into the Void Search and Rescue Dead on Arrival End of Days Alternate Solutions Dead Space "

all i know is that dead space is a masterpiece...that frightened the hell out of me, and that if it didn't exist i would probably not realise that Resident Evil 5 is really not scary at all. I can't wait for Dead Space 2. 

Fight Club, thats the movie that was on the other day...... it was kinda awesome but kinda weird

Anyways i agree, its awesome when games mess with your mind

By far the best Mind Fuck ever was when Orson Welles broadcast his famous  The War of the Worlds radio show.  Though it was unintentional the number of people who believed it is still unmatched. 

1) i think dead space was awesome - awesome! - but i never thought of if as a mind fuck. It had plot twists but I would really like a game to break the 4th wall like eternal darkness did. Either an eternal darkness sequel or some other IP.

" 1) i think dead space was awesome - awesome! - but i never thought of if as a mind fuck. It had plot twists but I would really like a game to break the 4th wall like eternal darkness did. Either an eternal darkness sequel or some other IP. "

What if, somehow, a game could temporarily make your Xbox 360 Red Ring.