Xbox Live’s Next “Free” Game? Defense Grid

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#101 Posted by Zevvion (1794 posts) -

I never understood the appeal of the Instant Game Collection, nor this Games with Gold business. If I want to play a game, I buy it. The games offered through PS+ are at least 6 months old. The chances I do not own a game 6 months after release that I want to play, are really small.

It never happened so far. PS+ has offered me exactly 0 value and I have no doubt Xbox Live will be the same. Unless they start offering free games at launch or at least no more than a month old, there is no point to it for me.

Especially since you just rent them. On the off chance I do want to play a game I did not yet play on PS+, I'm not going to pay 50 bucks just to rent it for a year. I'd be better off buying it.

At least you get to keep it with XBL it seems. Also, I pay for XBL for its service, not the free games. PS+ offers nothing besides its rental service that I'm interested in, so it holds no value for me.

#102 Edited by jimmyfenix (3811 posts) -

@zevvion: Another user on the forums said that keeping your game with gold is a lie. he deleted Fable 3 and was not able to re download fable 3. Ps plus is great for people who dont have rentals near there neighbourhoods i only pay 11 pound every 3 months and get Battlefield 3, Saints row 3 , Mass effect 3 Resident evil 5 etc etc.

#103 Posted by jimmyfenix (3811 posts) -

@lexus2jz: PS plus launched with these games in june 2012

41Sideway: New YorkJune 2012
42Choplifter HDJune 2012
43Zombie Apocalypse: Never Die AloneJune 2012
44Little Big Planet 2June 2012
45inFamous 2June 2012
46Just Cause 2June 2012
47Saints Row 2June 2012
48Ratchet and Clank: All 4 OneJune 2012
49Warhammer 40,000: Space MarineJune 2012
50Lara Croft and the Guardian of LightJune 2012
51Virtua Fighter 5 Final ShowdownJune 2012
#104 Posted by kpaadet (409 posts) -

@zevvion: Its great that you are either not really interested in alot of games or are rich enough to buy all the games you want to play, that is not the case for most I think. I get alot of value from PS+, I have around 20 games on my Vita and 15-18 of them were either free or heavily discounted. Also some launch titles are free Stacking comes to mind, they are rare though, not to mention PS+ spands 2 (3 with PS4) platforms.

In the other corner we have MS that offers old games for a few months until the Xbox One launches, but hey I get to keep my Halo 3, so its cool.

#105 Posted by tangmcgame (79 posts) -

@lexus2jz said:

@penguindust said:

Playstation Plus new additions for July 2013 (North America)

  • Battlefield 3 (PS3)
  • Metal Slug XX (PSP, Compatible on Vita)
  • Jet Set Radio (PS3)
  • Dokuro (PS Vita)
  • Oddworld: Munch’s Oddysee HD (PS3).

But yeah, Defense Grid is comparable, right?

Because comparing a service that just launched to one that has been going for a year + is comparable, right?

Look at the first game PS+ put out compared to Fable III, lol. Also, on MS service you get to keep the game forever!

Whoever does it first is bound to do it wrong. They're allowed far more leeway in figuring things out because they're treading new ground. The company that apes their model had best line all the ducks up right because they've seen how the model works and how it doesn't. I'm not bothered by Microsoft dropping the ball a little, it just boggles my mind that they're dropping the ball at all.

#106 Posted by OldManLight (819 posts) -

Thanks for the "B" tier XBLA game that i already own on steam and XBL, Microsoft. Meanwhile on Playstation Plus, Uncharted 3, Battlefield 3, X-Com, etc. and the ability to inexpensively upgrade my own hard drive to allow for more downloadable titles.

#107 Posted by Solh0und (1752 posts) -

To be fair, I hear that you even get to keep the games when you revert to silver. So yeah....

#109 Posted by EXTomar (4446 posts) -

I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing to get Defense Grid as a freebie is bad. The issue is that it is only this one game.

#110 Posted by Tesla (1904 posts) -

I know Microsoft is kinda new at this whole throwing the customer a bone thing. But, they have to realize that their competition is giving away Battlefield 3 while they're tossing out a 5 year old XBLA game.

Baby steps in the right direction are cool, and sure their version of this service is new. But they need to start actively competing real quick.

#111 Posted by plugger603 (34 posts) -

For people complaining its not free that you pay for the service and deserve the game. No you pay to have downloads of games that don't take 2 days to finish and to not have your credit card hacked for $1000 and then lose service for a month and a half.

#112 Posted by StrainedEyes (1319 posts) -

For people complaining its not free that you pay for the service and deserve the game. No you pay to have downloads of games that don't take 2 days to finish and to not have your credit card hacked for $1000 and then lose service for a month and a half.

Pretty sure there were never reports of CCs being compromised due to the hack.

#113 Posted by poveren (85 posts) -

For people complaining its not free that you pay for the service and deserve the game. No you pay to have downloads of games that don't take 2 days to finish and to not have your credit card hacked for $1000 and then lose service for a month and a half.

No need to cherry pick arguments (its like bringing up RROD) , I had none of the aforementioned with my PS3.

#114 Posted by GreggD (4475 posts) -

@paulunga said:

@sputty said:

@plugger603: It's not free. The moment they offered this is a service it would be critiqued and compared to existing systems. PS+ has better bonuses while being a less restrictive service and that's the competition.

In general, if you give someone something as a reward of some type and it's lacking from what people expected it would've been better not to offer anything. It comes off as insulting and dishonest.

How is it less restrictive? I'm genuinely curious, I have both consoles and both services.

It's not. It's actually more restrictive, because if you end your Plus subscription, you lose access to the IGC games. With Games with Gold, you get to keep them, no matter what your Xbox Live account status.

#115 Posted by Garviell (45 posts) -

Quite sure Defense Grid is better than Fable 3 anyways :P

But yea this is a rather unexciting launch.. Not that giving out Halo 3 is better (Seriously who the fuck still doesn't own halo 3?) I hope they get a bit more serious with this service. would be awesome if it became as good as the Playstation plus thing.

#116 Posted by DarthOrange (3810 posts) -

So I take it Assassins Creed and Halo are the best they are going to give? :/

#117 Posted by pweidman (2284 posts) -

One area where it doesn't seem like MS is getting any credit(which is mostly MS's fault), is the new Ultimate sales in GoD. There are some great deals over there on some pretty current games. Not free grant you, but some are damn cheap, like Steam sale cheap.

#118 Edited by Dick_Mohawk (375 posts) -

Is it my imagination or has the 'internet' become even more like a spoiled brat lately?

#119 Posted by dagas (2744 posts) -

PS3 EU is getting Battlefield 3 for July

#120 Posted by GreggD (4475 posts) -

Is it my imagination or has the 'internet' become even more like a spoiled brat lately?

Absolutely.

#121 Posted by DwightDHoward (18 posts) -

We are getting jack shit in Europe!!! A free 5 year old game and discounts on Prey and Fra Cry instincts compared to Xcom Enemy unknown, Battlefield 3 ultimate edition and Ninja Gaiden (vita) on the Playstation 3!!? Microsoft are giving peanuts compared to Sony, it's pretty obvious why Sony is DOMINATING in Europe and the rest of the world (except NSA-state).

#122 Edited by headcase (77 posts) -

It's good as Tower Defense games go, but it's $10 when not on sale, four-and-a-half years old, and mouse controls are nice to have for it.

#123 Edited by kmg90 (414 posts) -

@dwightdhoward said:

We are getting jack shit in Europe!!! A free 5 year old game and discounts on Prey and Fra Cry instincts compared to Xcom Enemy unknown, Battlefield 3 ultimate edition and Ninja Gaiden (vita) on the Playstation 3!!? Microsoft are giving peanuts compared to Sony, it's pretty obvious why Sony is DOMINATING in Europe and the rest of the world (except NSA-state).

Wait so is the free games with gold NOT apply to Europe? or anywhere else that Microsoft has shown little support in "overproviding value" to subscribers?

#124 Edited by DwightDHoward (18 posts) -

@kmg90: Fable 3 was free and that 8 year old game "defense grid" is also free. Didn't they tell us that Assassin's Creed 2 and Halo 3 would be free in July? Because if that's true then it doesn't apply to Europe, Halo 3 and AC2 are NOT free. Overproviding value is a lie so far, Defense grid which was 8$ and Fable 3 which was 15$ isn't much value, if you try to compare with their competitor.

#126 Edited by StrainedEyes (1319 posts) -

@kmg90: Fable 3 was free and that 8 year old game "defense grid" is also free. Didn't they tell us that Assassin's Creed 2 and Halo 3 would be free in July? Because if that's true then it doesn't apply to Europe, Halo 3 and AC2 are NOT free. Overproviding value is a lie so far, Defense grid which was 8$ and Fable 3 which was 15$ isn't much value, if you try to compare with their competitor.

They never announced that Halo or AC would be available in July, just that they were some of the games coming in the next few months. However, it was announced today that AC will be available later this month.

#127 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@patrickklepek Major Nelson has confirmed Creed 2 is the next free game on the 15th.

#128 Edited by OGinOR (314 posts) -

@greggd: Don't point out entitlement - I tried it on Kotaku the other day and got all sorts of "shill" and "kool-aid" comments from the peanut gallery.

#129 Edited by Corvak (831 posts) -

Defense Grid is a great game. Probably the best one out there if you want classic tower defense. However, a whole lot of us have already picked this up on one of the many deeply discounted Steam sales.

Now, this plan has advantages over PS+. For one, the games are permanently yours, no need to maintain a netflix-style subscription. But this has not been announced for the Xbox One, while Sony has said that PS4 will continue their Instant Game Collection as it is now. (I am particularly happy that the price will not go up!)

I feel that Xbox Live has to add something like this going forward, or Sony's PS+ is just going to be a better deal. Now that I will have to subscribe to one of these services to play console games online regardless, I might as well pick the one that lets me play games for free as well.

#130 Edited by SpaceInsomniac (3532 posts) -

@oginor said:

@greggd: Don't point out entitlement - I tried it on Kotaku the other day and got all sorts of "shill" and "kool-aid" comments from the peanut gallery.

I KNOW! Just because people pay money for a service or product, that doesn't give anyone the right to complain about it, or compare that product or service to a competitor! The NERVE of these bastards!

#131 Posted by OGinOR (314 posts) -

@spaceinsomniac: I know, right? For $12/month I should expect $100 of support and free shit! Oh wait..did I say "free shit"? I mean the games that are more than 30 days old because devs aren't making money on that OLD ass content - I mean, why should people get paid for that, amirite? Where's the new idea this month, guys? And paying for network reliability and infrastructure?! What do you mean?! I paid my $60 for that $120 million game - now where's my source-code, dammit!

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