I'm gonna pre-order it on Steam

@DystopiaX:

AP and Borderlands shooting function very similarly. In both games the higher your skill and better gun attachments the smaller your bullet spread is. If you max your assault rifles in AP there is very little spray just like in Borderlands. No you don't automatically hit what you are shooting at in Borderlands, there is still spread just like in most FPS games, just like in AP, and your stats affect it just like in AP. The main thing is that in most pure FPS games the first bullet is always dead on target (Deus Ex: HR has that too)

Deus Ex: HR has a similar system, of spread and reticule adjustment. The one big difference is that it only takes 2 skills (4 level up points) in Human Revolution to remove most of the spray and make guns very acurate. So if someone wants to shoot dudes all the time, they can make their shooting very stable quickly, before they start their second mission even. Unlike AP where it took almost half the game before you mazed your gun skill. And the initial acuracy is better then the default one of AP or Borderlands.

(for sniper rifles it's sway, for obvious reasons)

GAME automatically pre-order a copy for loyalty members free of charge is pretty dandy. I'll love to get it day one but I'd prefer to see what they'll price it at. I'm really looking forward to it after the playing the leak.

Anybody know if there's a mechanic for giving XP for avoiding guards entirely? That is typically the most challenging way to play games like this, but obviously you won't really wanna play that way if you just lose out on all the XP you would be getting if you killed / knocked everybody out instead.

@Jimbo said:

Anybody know if there's a mechanic for giving XP for avoiding guards entirely? That is typically the most challenging way to play games like this, but obviously you won't really wanna play that way if you just lose out on all the XP you would be getting if you killed / knocked everybody out instead.

I'm pretty sure they said there was bonus XP for not being spotted at all.

@Jimbo said:

Anybody know if there's a mechanic for giving XP for avoiding guards entirely? That is typically the most challenging way to play games like this, but obviously you won't really wanna play that way if you just lose out on all the XP you would be getting if you killed / knocked everybody out instead.

There is.

There are several levels of bonus XP you can get for how undetected you were. One if for not being seen at all, another for not raising an alarm.

BUT (at least in the demo) if you were really good you could maintain the 2 above parameters as true, but still knock out every guard, which would net you both the XP for the knockouts and the bonus XP for not raising an alrarm/not beeng seen. This is harder however then just sneaking by everyone and takes way more time. So appropriate imo.

I've got my preorder in at gamestop,  figure the explosive pack suits my playing style better than the silenced weapons.  Plus, the extra level means more game for the same price.

I had a few games to trade in at Gamestop, and decided to pre-order. I was going to wait to read some initial reviews (I had mixed opinions about the other games in the series), but everything I've seen points to me at least liking the game, if not outright loving it, despite some concerns about the story and themes being a bit dry. Plus, it's been awhile since I picked up anything decent. I'm itching to play something that eats up hours, and I don't want to wait until November for Skyrim. It's easily the most interesting RPG in the short term.

I was going to but now I think I'm going to get Red Orchestra 2 instead. 

I had a few games to trade in at Gamestop, and decided to pre-order. I was going to wait to read some initial reviews (I had mixed opinions about the other games in the series), but everything I've seen points to me at least liking the game, if not outright loving it, despite some concerns about the story and themes being a bit dry. Plus, it's been awhile since I picked up anything decent. I'm itching to play something that eats up hours, and I don't want to wait until November for Skyrim. It's easily the most interesting RPG in the short term.

Just preordered my copy, can't wait!

@haggis said:

@comikid1991: I read a lot of science fiction, and so far the themes and narrative the game seems to have were dealt with in SF novels twenty years ago. It's difficult to imagine they're bringing anything new to the discussion of cybernetic augmentations that better writers didn't bring back in the 90s. It feels very retro to me. That doesn't mean the story isn't going to be entertaining, but I think the game designers seem to think it's somehow provocative or timely. It isn't. So, I have concerns. It's not going to stop me from enjoying the game, but I'm expecting the story to be basically a mashup of twenty- or thirty-year-old SF tropes. Of course, that's exactly what Mass Effect was, and I love those games, so it's not a huge concern. I'm just setting my expectations low.

I had this feeling playing through the demo, keep in mind it was just a general feeling, a kind of vibe. The entire game/setting felt very "retro" futuristic. But in a good way. I mean cyberpunk in and of itself is a cool concept, but it's a 90s cool concept. If we think of Fallout 1&2 as being set in the 50s world of tomorrow. The Human Revolution I would say feels like something set in a 90s world of tomorrow. Not just from technological perspective but from social as well as aesthetic angles.

For me this was perfect.

Probably not, I preordered Rage instead.

Unless the pre-order bonus is spectacular, I avoid playing into that scam that gives retail companies tons of money for no reason at all. There will never be a game you need to pre-order, you will always get that title.

Probably not, I preordered Rage instead.

@csoup said:

Unless the pre-order bonus is spectacular, I avoid playing into that scam that gives retail companies tons of money for no reason at all. There will never be a game you need to pre-order, you will always get that title.

If you are paying for a preored it's silly sure. But there are plenty of retailers of digital distributors that don't charge anything for a preorder.

On the other hand if preorder is spectacular that is kind of screwing over the people who didn't preorder because they are waiting for reviews.

Gunna wait for more reviews (IGN, Giant Bomb, etc) to decide.  Also, the only game I have ever pre-ordered is Portal 2, I'm not big on doing it.