To kill or not to kill.

#1 Posted by CaptainCody (1505 posts) -

So basically, I borrowed a copy from a library and have decided to shoot for not killing anyone in the game. To my surprise, I am incredibly amazed at the lack of ammo both from shops and that so little tranquilizer darts lie around when getting deadly ammunition is as simple as incapacitating someone. Worst of all is energy being so tedious to manage, making melee a difficult decision. Am I better off just shootin' dudes or should I just stick this style of play out?

#2 Edited by Dagbiker (6976 posts) -

Its EASIER to kill, but is it MORAL to kill.

#3 Posted by Canteu (2821 posts) -

I played the entire game without killing anybody on the hardest difficulty.

It's a lot easier to not kill anyone. It just sucks that you're always waiting around for your 1 bar of energy to regen since it doesnt regen past that.

#4 Posted by Zidd (1846 posts) -

I did a pacifist run when I played it and I found there to be plenty of powerboost bars and ammo for the stun gun and tranq rifle. If you want to have an easier time with it just spend 2 praxis points on the recharge rate of your energy and check shops for more non lethal ammo. I however didn't find a lot of P.E.P.S. Energy Packs (its also non lethal) so you should save those up for the end of the game.

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#5 Posted by adoggz (2067 posts) -

stun gun is the easiest weapon to use and its the nonlethal weapon. So, maybe?

#6 Posted by Klei (1768 posts) -

Melee isn't difficult, it's just incredibly powerful and better used for stealth or quick finishers on one or two enemies. I mostly used it when run and gunning to take down a couple of opponents without burnning through ammo. Also, headshots and the armor-piercing upgrade of the pistol make it the best weapon in-game.
#7 Posted by N7 (3588 posts) -

I went through the entire game without even using a lethal gun and somehow I ended up killing three people. There is an upgrade that you get that allows you to glide down from high places. Don't use that above knocked out enemies, because it will kill them.

#8 Posted by Ravenousrattler (1417 posts) -

kill them all, and stack them high.

#9 Posted by Skunkboy72 (128 posts) -

@N7: oh god that sucks major balls. I wish they were a little more upfront about how you actually killed people.

#10 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5144 posts) -

If you are going for the no killing achievement just know that you are not allowed even to kill in the tutorial.

#11 Posted by N7 (3588 posts) -
@Skunkboy72: Yeah. That's the issue with all stealth games. They never tell you how you killed anyone. At least in MGS3 during the scene with The Sorrow you can get a good idea who/where/how you killed.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure that gliding on its own doesn't kill anyone, it's when you use the "Stun" feature that it kills them. Which is even more ironic and dumb.
#12 Posted by OtakuGamer (1237 posts) -

Conserve ammo and avoid them, find another route or sneak by.

#13 Posted by GTCknight (695 posts) -

@CaptainCody: Quick tip: if you don't want run-out of ammo and batteries then sneak around them. Use your stealth options.

#14 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

Its EASIER to kill, but is it MORAL to kill.

Yes, and who gives a shit. Just kill them all >:D

#15 Posted by Brians (1462 posts) -

Not killing was a fun accomplishment for me

#16 Posted by Kandycane2029 (511 posts) -

It's a lot more fun to tranq/incapacitate and sneak through compared to playing like it's a normal FPS. Though, I screwed up in the prologue and killed a couple people, so I didn't get the achievement for no kills. Definitely a game worth a second playthrough, however.

#17 Posted by mnzy (2914 posts) -

They probably deserve it.

#18 Posted by mlarrabee (2951 posts) -

I played through the whole game on Deus Ex difficulty, setting off no alarms and killing no one. After 10 or so hours, difficulty popped, alarms popped, but apparently some idiot wandered off of a balcony eight levels ago. Am I going to try again? Sure. But I'm going to play angry.

If you try for it, just be prepared to be enraged occasionally.

#19 Posted by EODTech (83 posts) -

I got the Ghost and the Pacifist achievement on a single playthrough. Some tips for Pacifist:

-Kills in the tutorial DO count, so don't kill those guys either.

-CHECK after you incap somebody. If they have a skull icon instead of the "Zzzz" icon, they are dead. Reload, hoss.

-If possible, wait for somebody to wander into an area where you're not going to have to hide them before you knock them out. I have found that dragging people--especially down stairs or into vents--sometimes kills them. I once bonked a guy's head against a jersey barrier and killed him (the second time you visit Detroit).

-Sometimes if you stun people twice it kills them.

-Incredibly, I'm convinced that I once killed a guy by walking over his snoozing unconscious body. There couldn't have been any other explanation--he was alive, I walked over him to hack a safe, I walked back over him to the door, turned around and he was dead. Be careful.

-Punching through walls often kills people on the other side. Don't do it.

-Above all, BE CAREFUL how you handle unconscious peopled; and BEFORE you leave an area, go back through and CHECK all the bodies again if it's possible. Make sure they're all just asleep rather than dead. If you find one dead, reload, hoss.

#20 Posted by mandude (2669 posts) -

My initial plan was to do this. I picked the tranq rifle as my weapon, all ready to go, immediately ran out of ammo and decided to screw it....

#21 Posted by GetEveryone (4455 posts) -

I've capped loads of people. Seems killing people actually puts you in a minority when it comes to Deus Ex.

I also tend to execute them, anyway; even if they've been put down with tranqs/elbows.

#22 Posted by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

@EODTech: Odd, my first playthrough I got both of those achievements and I was far from careful - even going as far as seeing how many I could stuff into a single vent (pretty much emptied the policestation in Detroit and put them all in the same vent ducts), dragged them up and down stairs.

I had some issues with the Tranq rifle killing from headshots, but that was the only time I was even paying attention that.

Still, good tips if you are really serious about it.

Additional tip: Destroying robots and turrets is OK for Pacifist, but keep in mind that the robots explode if you EMP them - and if the Robot's explosion kills someone, it's on your head. Really good to know at a certain place in the game (no spoilers!), if you decide to take the difficult route despite being a Pacifist ;)

#23 Edited by NTM (7377 posts) -

I think there's a lot more ammo in that game than I was expecting. The thing is, if you run out of ammo, you just need to go in and knock them out. It's not that bad. If you're into the achievement where you don't kill anyone, save often. I don't know what some people complained about. I felt the issue was easily remedied. The game's a lot funner doing sneak and kill.

#24 Posted by Emperor_Jimmu (249 posts) -

Once I levelled up enough I was able to use the stun gun and take-downs in most situations without much trouble. I used the tranq gun when approaching situation from afar, before moving in closer once opening up a clear path. The only time I killed anybody (besides bosses) was later in the game when SOMETHING happened to a character and I felt a little bit of murder was in order.

#25 Posted by Rolyatkcinmai (2687 posts) -

I didn't kill anyone the whole time. It was worth it.

#26 Posted by TheCreamFilling (1225 posts) -

I didn't kill anyone simply because I got more XP for non-lethal takedowns.

#27 Posted by Zidd (1846 posts) -

@EODTech: Theres also a random chance that a dude will die from a tranq or stun gun shot as well.

Check your crosshairs when you are using the stun gun. If its red its a hit and if its still yellow your target is too far away.

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#28 Posted by sate2801 (345 posts) -

@Mr_Skeleton said:

If you are going for the no killing achievement just know that you are not allowed even to kill in the tutorial.

ah NO!!! I have to start all over again :(:(:(

there's one side quest 1st time in Hengsha where one of the hooker want you to throw some random dudes from rooftop, does that one count?

#29 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Zidd said:

@EODTech: Theres also a random chance that a dude will die from a tranq or stun gun shot as well.

Check your crosshairs when you are using the stun gun. If its red its a hit and if its still yellow your target is too far away.

They die from head shots. 
#30 Posted by Stealthmaster86 (655 posts) -

I only kill if it was a last resort. That ended up happening way more than I wanted. I used the nonlethal take down most of the time. Unfortunately, I lost all interest of the game half way through. Still a great game though.

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#32 Posted by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

@sate2801: there is an optional non-lethal way to do that mission. If you press the issue with the lady you get the mission from, she'll tell you about it.

#33 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5144 posts) -

@sate2801 said:

@Mr_Skeleton said:

If you are going for the no killing achievement just know that you are not allowed even to kill in the tutorial.

ah NO!!! I have to start all over again :(:(:(

there's one side quest 1st time in Hengsha where one of the hooker want you to throw some random dudes from rooftop, does that one count?

Talk to her about other ways to get rid of him, and she will give you a way to frame him for drug use.

#34 Posted by Cootsnoop (39 posts) -

I heard there's a glitch that shows the skull as if they're dead, but you still get the pacifist trophy at the end

#35 Posted by hoossy (934 posts) -

@CaptainCody:

I think the bigger question is...

You can get games from the library!?!?!? When was this a thing? When did libraries get into the video game business?! I'm jelly

#36 Posted by the_great_skenardo (110 posts) -

@Mnemoidian said:

@EODTech:

Additional tip: Destroying robots and turrets is OK for Pacifist, but keep in mind that the robots explode if you EMP them - and if the Robot's explosion kills someone, it's on your head. Really good to know at a certain place in the game (no spoilers!), if you decide to take the difficult route despite being a Pacifist ;)

This precise spoiler-free certain place is where I was forced to give up pacifism. I didn't have any EMP for the robot, and I was adamant that the situation should turn out in a specific way. Made me mad enough to kill, so I loaded up the diamondback and damned them all to hell. Dropped down a hard save first in case i ever feel like going back to try it the peaceful way.

#37 Posted by hoossy (934 posts) -

The game is more fun in stealth mode...

#38 Posted by avidwriter (667 posts) -

I played the um "demo" way back. Still waiting for the game to get cheap, as I don't wear an eye patch. I've been thinking about how I want to play... I will definitely be stealthy but as for murder or not, we'll see.

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