Blizzard Talks Diablo III's Launch And Future

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#151 Edited by NickTheZombie (53 posts) -

To the people arguing that it's unreasonable to expect more than 50 hours from Diablo III: We feel this way because Blizzard has set the precedent of the Diablo games being entertaining for years on end as a result of clever itemization and skill designs lending to a plethora of different builds as well as online interactions. Comparing a Diablo game with something like, say, Max Payne 3 is completely missing the mark.

Diablo III fails pretty hard in all the respects that its predecessors established when it comes to long-term playability.

#152 Posted by MrSlapHappy (182 posts) -

I feel like D3 is a game that I can come and go to. I had my 50 or so hours of fun, more than worth the money and now I am going to take a break and let it set for a while. It will still be awesome when I get back and with the changes they are making it will likely be a different game when I come back. I look forward to it.

#153 Posted by addictedtopinescent (3645 posts) -

In a vacuum, D3 is a pretty good loot-based ARPG. Again, if you got 100 hours out of it, that's great value especially compared to the value you get from most games. But judging a game like that where the previous installments are as beloved and popular as D2 is impossible. Fans have played Diablo 2 for a decade. No matter how you try to explain it, the basic problem is people who played D2 for such a long time don"t see the potential for that much replayability in Diablo 3. I wasn't one of these people, but I can sympathize with them.

My own personal problems with the game are not that I won't be playing it for a decade. I dislike the idea of the RMAH, releasing a game without all of it's components and others.

#154 Posted by ajamafalous (12007 posts) -
@furiouscabbage said:

While I appreciate the attempt to honestly address and acknowledge the community's issues with the game, it rings pretty hollow now. I hope they are able to improve things, but D3's base design mechanics have some severe issues. Without drastically overhauling everything, I don't see how they can fix it.

I was going to write something that was essentially this, so instead I'll just quote it.
#155 Edited by PandaShake (388 posts) -

@Draxyle said:

I don't know. D3 is such a fantastic game, but they can't patch what is ultimately my biggest problem with it; the atmosphere.

And I'm not necessarily talking about just the visual style, that's only one piece of it. The overwrought and highly flawed writing, the cartoonish animations, the voiceacting, the auction house, the online intrusions, etc; all of this make Diablo 3 feel like a "videogame", and not an "experience". There is no atmosphere anymore; I don't feel like I'm in an actual, dreadful place like Diablo 2 made me feel.

Everything piece of it just feels shallow and compromised in order to feed into the auction house, the one thing that ruins the whole point of Diablo. It's tragic.

I agree.

The visual style still looks "wow-like" with round, cartoony textures where most noticeable are things like piles of logs in new tristram and the game has this drab filter over it probably in response to the criticisms of it being too colorful. As someone who played wow and d2 like crazy, the compromise they did didn't work.

Anyways, I still loved the game and put over a hundred hours in. I haven't even gotten to the last difficulty yet and it's already challenging and I love the new skill system. Feels like I get a new skill every time I level.

My personal gripe is that I wish normal difficulty didn't exist. I liked the story and the cg movies were damn impressive, but normal was so damn easy it completely sucked away any tension, build up, or immersion the story and cg has done every time you fight the "lords" of hell. They die in seconds, roll credits, and I get a splash screen telling me to go play new game+.

I still love you d3 and hope d4 comes out with even better success.

#156 Posted by Tychoid (54 posts) -

People throw the word "entitlement" around a lot, but I think it definitely applies here.

The amount of immaturity people spew off surrounding Diablo is unreal. Its a fucking game. It doesn't even have a subscription! Blizzard doesn't have to do fuckall for the customers. What don't people get about that? You don't like their stuff, then don't fucking buy it!

The irony is that all the people whining probably have 50+ hours put into the game. If you hate the game so much, then why didn't you stop playing it before then!? Its not like a portion of your taxes are being used to fund the game or something. I agree that Inferno is total crap, but JESUS, people... learn to chill out and let go.

#157 Posted by pw2566ch (480 posts) -

@jakob187 said:

If anything, the one thing I want Morhaime to comment on is that guy they pulled away from the mic at a recent Q&A. He asked if Blizzard themselves were placing high-end items on the AH (since there are no names associated with the actual auctions themselves) in order to turn a profit. They pulled the guy away and threw him out of the Q&A.

Is there a video on this? I really want to see this. Or at least a source.

#158 Posted by SJSchmidt93 (4896 posts) -

I really feel like their priority should be fixing the auction house. It is a giant piece of shit at the moment, and I'm talking about the economy or other things Blizzard can't really control, but there are just so many things that are fundamentally broken about it that anyone who has used any type of online auction at any point in their entire life could see.

#159 Posted by Laksa (240 posts) -

@Hightake_Shroom: True. I am >< close to buying extra inventory space and an extra char slot on pso2, its a fantastic game.(which ship are you on?)

D3 is marketed on the premised that it would be an enjoyable grind,something you would spend hundreds of hours on just like in D2. With the laughable writing/story,incredibly annoying npcs(covetous shen...shudder),terrible in game cutscenes, the loot grind at end game should be the focus. Half way into hell difficulty, things start getting very annoying and tiring.Inferno is just an absolute chore. I would think that most people including me, spent dozens of hours playing the game, hoping that patches would make it good,but it just didnt. These are not the same people who made D2.

I queued up on launch day and bought 4 copies of the game, one for myself and 3 others for my friends. They have also stopped playing.

Hopefully in a couple of months time, the patches would have made the game better, and not an auction house simulator.Till then, Phantasy star online 2 has my gaming dollars,even if i have to jump through hoops to play it.

#160 Posted by bill (98 posts) -

Diablo was scary when I had played it. Diablo 2 is well scripted. Diablo 3 is a boring grind

#161 Posted by Bell_End (1208 posts) -

@Xtophre said:

Beyond the obvious Real Money Auction House debacle, I get the feeling that Blizzard will never be able to satisfy many former Diablo II players because they essentially want the same feeling you got from Diablo II playing it for the first time. When you eat Chocolate cake for the first time, you love it. You try different flavors of chocolate cake but it will never be the same feeling you got when you first tasted chocolate cake, that experience was new.

Blizzard could of NEVER satisfied these people.

if they changed D3 to much they would cry like children that their beloved franchise has been ruined and its not longer the game it was and FUCK BLIZZARD!!!!

if they don't change it enough the is a rehash and all they are doing is cashing in on the diablo name and adding nothing new and FUCK BLIZZARD!!!

#162 Posted by ShaggE (6478 posts) -

I feel like I've been lucky by not having 11 years of Diablo 2 under my belt. I absolutely love Diablo 3, and I think it's because I'm seeing it solely on its own merits. My time with 2 was minimal at best, and I never played 1. I didn't even want 3 until I watched the GB coverage. So I do wonder if the ferocity of the rage from fans is simply because it's not Diablo 2: Now With A New Box.

I'm not saying that many complaints aren't valid, but all of these "THIS IS THE WORST GAME EVER MADE I ONLY GOT 300 HOURS OUT OF IT I WANT A REFUND" rants plaguing the Blizzard forums make me wonder.

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#163 Posted by BBQBram (2238 posts) -

@Panpipe said:

@paulwade1984 said:

That's not a letter, its a series of lists which read like politician bullshit rhetoric.

I stopped playing d3 about a month ago. Only actions will bring me back, he can take his letter and shove it up his ass.

Why are you so aggressive?

It's a video game.

Don't worry, it's just an army of entitled brats with no conception of what goes into creativity.

And I don't even play Diablo so y'all can spare the fanboy comments.

#164 Posted by MrCaptain (365 posts) -

I was verry positively surprised how fun this game is! I'm currently playing my demon hunter on act 2 infenro and working my way up to face act 3. The only thing that the game is lacking for me is PvP. other then that I'm having a blast!

How come everyone is so disappointed? Could it be becuase I havent played Diablo 2? Or maybe everyone is going into the game thinking "I'm Gonna make a living with this game! I wont have to work again!"?

#165 Posted by ullandon (1 posts) -

I really hope they are not done with the game and will release at least two expansions. :)

#166 Posted by paulwade1984 (478 posts) -

@BBQBram said:

@Panpipe said:

@paulwade1984 said:

That's not a letter, its a series of lists which read like politician bullshit rhetoric.

I stopped playing d3 about a month ago. Only actions will bring me back, he can take his letter and shove it up his ass.

Why are you so aggressive?

It's a video game.

Don't worry, it's just an army of entitled brats with no conception of what goes into creativity.

And I don't even play Diablo so y'all can spare the fanboy comments.

You mean Concept. Not Conception.

#167 Posted by Nonapod (126 posts) -

One thing I'd like to know, I keep reading posts here and on other forums about how people played D2 for "eleven years straight", but how many people are we really talking about? How many people honestly played D2 that much? Mind you I'm not talking about people who fired it up maybe once a year for a couple 4 hour play sessions and then didn't touch it for another 12+ months, I'm talking about people who honestly played it for more than say 10 or 20 hours a year. Were there a million people who played D2 for several hundred hours a year for eleven years? Somehow I doubt it. As usual I suspect the most passionate players are a very vocal minority on the internet. I'm not saying there weren't a ton of D2 players who played it like crazy back in the day. I'm just suggesting that over the years it slowly dwindled down to a small, super dedicated group of long term addicts and that it's disingenuous to use this "eleven years straight" argument as if there were hundreds of thousands of players obsessively playing D2 for over a decade.

#168 Posted by Vashyron (207 posts) -

@ShaggE: If you are on the Blizzard forums, you've already taken a wrong turn, I'm afraid.

#169 Posted by AiurFlux (902 posts) -

Typical PR bullshit. The fact that I experience latency in a game when I'm playing by myself is inexcusable. And before people start rabbling on about my connection I have a 250GB down and 25GB up connection speed that I pay 150 dollars a month for. It is entirely Blizzards side and their fault because of the always online component that taxes their shitty system. And the simple fact that this fucker has the audacity to say "SOME" people is absurd. Further to the point there are people that I know that have lost loot from level 50+ characters (2 Barbarians, 1 Witch Doctor, and 1 Mage) because of some hacker/gold farmer in China. Granted they didn't have the authenticator at the time, but the simple fact that you have to buy an authenticator to play a single player game (granted it has heavy doses of co-op but it is still at it's base single player) to keep your build intact is disgusting.

Blizzard should be fucking ashamed of themselves and the media that just go along with the crap that they're peddling should hang their heads as well. What happened to journalistic integrity and looking out for the consumer?

It's a good game, in fact it's an amazing game. But it's a terrible fucking product. Period. And all this time after it came out I'm still pissed off over it. It's unacceptable. This is the year 2012. Shit like this should not just be thought of as "fine" or "okay".

#170 Posted by RAStemen (62 posts) -
@vespene_jazz it's nice to know that not everyone on here acts like an entitled asshole. Good points.
#171 Posted by Megasheep (59 posts) -

@Panpipe said:

Why are you so aggressive?

It's a video game.

@vespene_jazz said:

I don't understand gamer rage...

@MariachiMacabre said:

It wouldn't be the Internet if people didn't lose their shit over almost anything.

@Homelessbird said:

I think they did their best to please you guys, but at a certain point, they just had to throw up their hands and make the game for the majority of gamers. Because pleasing you would have been straight up impossible.

I have such a hard time accepting the self-righteous outrage that some people spew on forums. It becomes a little unbelievable after a while.

#172 Posted by Nonapod (126 posts) -

@Megasheep: I'm outraged at your outrage over their outrage of those first peoples outrage!

#173 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7096 posts) -

@Megasheep said:

@Panpipe said:

Why are you so aggressive?

It's a video game.

@vespene_jazz said:

I don't understand gamer rage...

@MariachiMacabre said:

It wouldn't be the Internet if people didn't lose their shit over almost anything.

@Homelessbird said:

I think they did their best to please you guys, but at a certain point, they just had to throw up their hands and make the game for the majority of gamers. Because pleasing you would have been straight up impossible.

I have such a hard time accepting the self-righteous outrage that some people spew on forums. It becomes a little unbelievable after a while.

As you should. It's utterly childish nonsense.

#174 Posted by Panpipe (474 posts) -

@MariachiMacabre: Who's outraged now?! Who's childish?! I can't take this any more!!!

#175 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7096 posts) -

@Panpipe said:

@MariachiMacabre: Who's outraged now?! Who's childish?! I can't take this any more!!!

Clearly it's time for us all to commit Seppuku. I'll get the Katanas.

#176 Posted by Mokes (36 posts) -

It's too late, Mike. Now get to work on my Warcraft IV!

#177 Posted by mewarmo990 (835 posts) -

I am A-OK with this game. Maybe it's because I'm just a casual player, compared to the years I spent playing D2 HC, but I haven't found much to complain about so far.

#178 Posted by ShaggE (6478 posts) -

@Vashyron said:

@ShaggE: If you are on the Blizzard forums, you've already taken a wrong turn, I'm afraid.

Yeah, that's quite true. When a community makes 4chan look composed and mature by comparison, it's probably not a good place to spend one's time.

Any suggestions for a better Diablo 3 forum? The one here is basically dead.

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#179 Posted by Robo (804 posts) -

@Nonapod said:

@Megasheep: I'm outraged at your outrage over their outrage of those first peoples outrage!

That's outrageous!

#180 Posted by GloriousDinosaur (436 posts) -

@Spooty said:

Too little, too late. Lost faith in their ability to make that game fun..

#181 Posted by Abndn (4 posts) -

D3's greatest crime is that it absolutely fails to live up to its predecessor in almost every way that matters. I still sunk a good 250+ hours into it, and even killed inferno Siegebreaker on hardcore before 1.03. When the patch I killed a few champ packs and realized that all challenge had been removed from the game. I logged off and never looked back. I rarely complain about this, but when I do it is not because I didn't get my money's worth, it's because I was hoping for a worthy sequel.

Maybe if it had some of D2's qualities I could have stayed for those. A satisfying and diverse loot system, great itemization, meaningful build experimentation and a gameplay experience centered around boss/champion kills rather than goblins and chests -- all features that could have saved D3 for me.

#182 Posted by Abndn (4 posts) -

@DocNemesis:

That would be cool but by no means anywhere near as important as the issues I mentioned. Goblin farming interrupted by the occasional event is not good gameplay.

#183 Posted by SensuousLettuce (107 posts) -

I like the game. Anything they do moving forward is gravy.

#184 Posted by Arkasai (701 posts) -

All the people complaining about lag or other sever issues need to grow the fuck up. I live 2000 miles from the closest server and pay $30 a month for my internet and guess what? It's been fast enough to get me to Diablo on inferno with people from Asia and the mainland US in my party at once. If you've got a $100+ internet connection and you're in the comments talking about how you cant beat Acts 3/4 Inferno or even Hell, you should stop playing, I've had you in my groups before and you are bad. Stop dying repeatedly in my groups and just quit, I'd rather someone who knows what they're doing take your place.

#185 Edited by MordeaniisChaos (5730 posts) -

@Nonapod: There are a lot of people who played D2 for maybe not eleven years, but 6, 7, 8 years. And I'm sure more played it for eleven years longer than you might think. People still play WoW, is it really that hard to believe?

Also, I'm sick of them trying to convince me the always online thing was needed. All they needed to do is have Ranked and Social online play. Ranked requires characters that are online only, social allows any, but no trading between Social and Ranked characters (ranked and social can trade among other ranked and social characters respectively).

It's a bummer for people who payed for the game, like me, who have limited bandwidth that end up without internet at points because it was all used up before the month ends, and they can't play the damn game because the internet is down. That is silly, especially with how many people play this game alone or only with friends and never get serious with it. It's a bummer when I do have internet, and I have to wait to play the game because their servers are full. It's not an MMO, and I shouldn't have to deal with the downsides of those kinds of games. That makes sense for an MMO like WoW because it's essential to the experience.

I'm not enraged now that the game actually mostly works, and they were at least smart enough that lag almost never results in a death (I've lagged and then caught up to myself being dead a whole one time), but the fact is that they didn't need to do what they did, and they could have found a way around it. It's frustrating for someone like me that played all of Diablo 2 on a computer that had no internet access, that they make it a requirement. If it was like WoW, and used that much bandwidth (WoW used surprisingly a lot of bandwidth, at least as far as I could tell), I wouldn't likely be able to play the game much each month, because of my cap being a fraction of the comcast cap.

#186 Posted by Vashyron (207 posts) -

@ShaggE: Ummm...nope. I'm sort of out of the loop when it comes to D3 forums that aren't full of unpleasant and unreasonable people or completely dead.

#187 Posted by ShenaniganZ (65 posts) -

I love Diablo 3 but once I beat it I had no desire to go back and do it again. Im glad to hear about some of the changes and hope its enough to draw me back in. They should just create a quest creator for players that allows us to download new quest from the community that way at least we'll have new content all the time.

#188 Posted by casper_ (903 posts) -

man i enjoyed diablo 3 a lot (although i was a bit put off by the lack of customization in your build) but by the time i got to hell i started feeling all jonathan blow and realized the real plight of my situation as a rat chasing after little loot shaped pellets.

#189 Posted by Etnos (245 posts) -

I love D3 and trust Blizzard.. haters gona hate.

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