Come on now. I know you're worried about Dante not being platinum blonde anymore but that's also the only thing you need to worry about.

If you played Enslaved you'll know that Ninja Theory know how to make amazing, cinematic experiences and you should rest easy, knowing that this game will be seriously cool. Hell, Jeff Gerstmann said on the latest bombcast that it looked cool and he's seen more of it than we have. So don't be afraid of change and give the game a chance.

I give you points for trying but most people still won't agree with you (even though I think you're correct)

I've never been worried.

@OllyOxenFree said:

I've never been worried.

Me neither! Initial reaction was "Oh...he looks different. Wait, he actually looks less stupid now and Ninja Theory is making it!"

@Sackmanjones said:

I give you points for trying but most people still won't agree with you (even though I think you're correct)

Thanks!

I think Ninja Theory does a lot of things well like mo-cap and graphics. I also enjoyed the world they created in Enslaved and the story up to a point, but that ending man. It was just bad. I also think the combat was a little shallow. Hopefully these things will be improved in Devil May Cry. I've never cared about the series, but at least I'm interested now.

I'm not saying it's going to be bad but it may end up being shit. Ninja Theory did Enslaved but remember, they also did Heavenly Sword... Wich is a horrible game.

@rebgav said:

@Jost1 said:

Ninja Theory know how to make amazing, cinematic experiences

Wouldn't DMC fans be more concerned about Ninja Theory's lack of experience in skill-based, combo-driven, high-score chasing Japanese action games?

Also this. Fans of the series aren't there for the "cinematic experience". They want hard as nails, skill based action.

I usually try not to be a dick... but I'm going to be a dick. I thought Enslaved (And Heavenly Sword for that matter) was a massive pile of shit when it came to combat, and that's like eighty percent of what makes DMC so damn great to me. However, I'm cautiously optimistic as they seem to have possibly made a pretty decent combat system judging by the trailers, but I will be really surprised if it actually meets my expectations as a game in the DMC franchise.

I'm fine with all the visual aspects of DmC (though it did take awhile) and it looks to have some good style but I think what worries most people about Ninja Theory developing it is that both of their previous Character Action Games - Heavenly Sword and Enslaved - fall into the "God of War" category. People who enjoy Devil May Cry for it's gameplay recognize that there are two distinct styles to a CAG (though I'm sure anyone can recognize the difference as well). That being one that plays more akin to DMC (like Bayonetta) and one that plays like God of War (like Heavenly Sword, Enslaved). This is a huge deal for people like me who want to play a game with more finesse and style like Devil May Cry and are worried when a developer who has made two previous games that have little finesse or style in regards to combat may be dumbing down this new game.
 
There are still worries about it's combat and until someone who knows and understands what people are looking for in gameplay out of a DMC game (read: not the staff) tries it and says it's A-Ok I'll be cautiously optimistic. I'm not trying to slam this game, I think it looks pretty rad but until I get my hands on it, I don't know if it plays right.
 
Being cool and cinematic is a plus, sure, but the most important thing is that it plays like a Devil May Cry game and not one of the two games the developer has created in the past.

The core of DMC games has been the incredibly deep combat system, something that I'm sure Ninja Theory won't be able to replicate fully. Don't get me wrong, I am hype as fuck for this game, but it's not because it's going to be an amazing DMC game. It's because it's going to be an amazing Ninja Theory game.

  It's because it's going to be an amazing Ninja Theory game.

I think the style is pretty fun- I wasn't really interested in the game until that last trailer.

More than that though, I hope they get the combat right! The last couple DMC games have had PERFECT enemy and boss design, where they all have unique AI behavoirs, everything has it's own strategy, certain enemies combine or co-operate, and everything's just really smartly done.

As long as something surprises me, or one of the weapons is really insane, or one of the enemies feels really alive: They'll have done it.

The game looks great and the systems look good. I just hope the story is descent.

I just looked at the Ninja Theory page... Holy shit! They made Kung Fu Chaos?!

I fucking loved that game on the original Xbox! Oh, and yeah, the other games aren't bad either, but holy shit Kung Fu Chaos!

Alright. Consider me interested in the Devil May Cry reboot.

Jeff also didn't care for the other games in the serie. So for fans that might still be a bad thing.

And i hope the gameplay is good, and to some the ninja theory game aren't as fluid. but who knows!

@xobballox said:

I usually try not to be a dick... but I'm going to be a dick. I thought Enslaved (And Heavenly Sword for that matter) was a massive pile of shit when it came to combat, and that's like eighty percent of what makes DMC so damn great to me. However, I'm cautiously optimistic as they seem to have possibly made a pretty decent combat system judging by the trailers, but I will be really surprised if it actually meets my expectations as a game in the DMC franchise.

This. I think Ninja Theory makes good movies. They make average, at best, actual games.

@Jost1: Ninja Theory knows how to do stories well, but I have a feeling most DMC fans don't really care about great story as much as "is it cool?" The reason Dante is cool is because he has a Devil May Care attitude, he has dumb one liners and a sick red duster. People don't like Dante when he is broody like in 2, they like him when he kills guys with a pool ball and pizza or when he stops a motor cycle from hitting him my shooting in a lot. Watch the intro to DMC 3 and look at how much he does not give a fuck to being stabbed by 5 scythes. The most recent trailer is what I'm talking about, it shows the ridiculous and cocky character that Dante should be.

But a good game is not built solely on the cinematic experience.

The thing that they need to get right is the combat. Heavenly Sword wasn't the best at that and a DMC game needs to have good combat. DMC3 was so awesome because they gave you a lot of very unique weapons, there were a triple ice nunchucks and a fricking electric guitar for christ sakes. And all those stances. The game play I've seen looks ok, but I haven't seen much in terms of variation.

Also Dante looks a little like Gary from Bully. I also prefer the white hair and red duster, but thats not what makes a good game. But man red dusters are cool on fake people.

Uhm.....
 
I hope you realize Ninja Theory is exactly the reason people should be worried. I'll refrain from commenting on the story of these games, but have you played  Enslaved and Heavenly Blade?
 
Because the part where you played them was ass. And the part where DMC is supposed to shine is its expertly crafted gameplay.

@StarvingGamer said:

The core of DMC games has been the incredibly deep combat system, something that I'm sure Ninja Theory won't be able to replicate fully. Don't get me wrong, I am hype as fuck for this game, but it's not because it's going to be an amazing DMC game. It's because it's going to be an amazing Ninja Theory game.

I get that.

@mutha3 said:

Uhm.....

I hope you realize Ninja Theory is exactly the reason people should be worried. I'll refrain from commenting on the story of these games, but have you played Enslaved and Heavenly Blade? Because the part where you played them was ass. And the part where DMC is supposed to shine is its expertly crafted gameplay.

You haven't played a bad game in your life if you think Enslaved was ass.

@Jost1 said:

@mutha3 said:

Uhm.....

I hope you realize Ninja Theory is exactly the reason people should be worried. I'll refrain from commenting on the story of these games, but have you played Enslaved and Heavenly Blade? Because the part where you played them was ass. And the part where DMC is supposed to shine is its expertly crafted gameplay.

You haven't played a bad game in your life if you think Enslaved was ass.

Yeah, really. Everything about Enslaved except the combat was exceptionally well done, and even then, the combat was only alright. Nothing about that game was ass. Heavenly Sword, though, was sub-par on the action.

@Jost1: I agree with you except that I feel Ninja Theory's games to date have had only serviceable gameplay at best and for DmC to shine it really needs to have outstanding gameplay.

That being said, everything I've seen leads me to believe that they have stepped up their game in that department (possibly with the assistance of Capcom?). If they can nail the gameplay I'm more than confident that every other aspect will (like it has in Ninja Theory's other titles) be outstanding.

File me under Cautiously Optimistic.

One word: Enslaved.

I think it has potential, fingers crossed it will be great. We'll know soon enough.

I have high hopes but I'm in the "Enslaved had a cool story but weak as hell combat" camp. And I didn't like HS either, I just don't know if NT can replicate the things I love about DMC. I hope they can, and I like what I've seen so far, but no matter how pretty it looks and how well the story is told, that game will live or die by its combat.

@zyn said:

One word: Enslaved.

Seeing as people are pretty split as to whether Enslaved was awesome or ass (with many in between) your "one word" doesn't really say much. Perhaps two words are in order? :P

Have they showed any enemies other than the regular drone enemies? Or have they shown any bosses?

EDIT- Yeah alright, looking at the Images folder on Giantbomb, there's at least one standout crazy boss.

Didn't like any of the Devil May Cry games so I'm not worried at all.

Dante looking different is the just a cute little cherry sitting happily on the top of the massive fudge sundae that are the myriad problems with this game.  On the unreal engine, you can't exactly have these large dynamic groups to fight, so having to juggle your attention and combos between those large groups, one of the core DMC mainstays, is right out the window. There's the incredibly simplified combat system that severely reduces your individual freedom and choices for how you want to approach any given situation. There are the finishing moves and laboured animations that disrupt the flow of combat, something the original DMC was actively against.
 
I mean, if NT spent half the time they used developing these "AMAZING CINEMATIC EXPERIENCES" (that amount to you running down a hallway while things happen around you) into developing the gameplay, maybe I would  be less cold towards it. But then again, that wouldn't STICK IT TO THE FANBOYS enough to appeal to other audiences.

@text said:

On the unreal engine, you can't exactly have these large dynamic groups to fight, so having to juggle your attention and combos between those large groups, one of the core DMC mainstays, is right out the window.

Oh it sounds like you've made a lot of games in Unreal. I had no idea the number of enemies slider was a harsh limitation.

@Jost1 said:

@mutha3 said:

Uhm.....

I hope you realize Ninja Theory is exactly the reason people should be worried. I'll refrain from commenting on the story of these games, but have you played Enslaved and Heavenly Blade? Because the part where you played them was ass. And the part where DMC is supposed to shine is its expertly crafted gameplay.

You haven't played a bad game in your life if you think Enslaved was ass.

The gameplay was ass though due to its sluggish, unresponsive nature. Art direction, voice acting and visuals were superb, I'll give NT that.

@McGhee said:

I think Ninja Theory does a lot of things well like mo-cap and graphics. I also enjoyed the world they created in Enslaved and the story up to a point, but that ending man. It was just bad. I also think the combat was a little shallow. Hopefully these things will be improved in Devil May Cry. I've never cared about the series, but at least I'm interested now.

my favourite ending i can think of right now. it posed a question as prescient and pervasive as that of the meaning of life. so perfect

@ProfessorEss said:

@zyn said:

One word: Enslaved.

Seeing as people are pretty split as to whether Enslaved was awesome or ass (with many in between) your "one word" doesn't really say much. Perhaps two words are in order? :P

Sorry. In my opinion, Enslaved is ass.

@Jost1: If anything, playing previous NT games makes me worried about the gameplay.

I sure hope DMC doesn't feel as sluggish as Enslaved did.

I'm not worried, but I don't think Ninja Theory gives people a reason not to worry.

There's no doubt that the facial animations, voice acting and story will be good. The doubt is that no one played DMC for any of those things, it was always about the insane combat, it's one of the few console games that ran at 60fps because it needed to, some of the combat mechanics in DMC like jump cancelling are almost fighting game level.

Ninja Theorys combat on the other hand has always been their weakest point, I loved Enslaved but the combat and camera angles were just terrible, they have always prioritized animations over mechanics. It's hard to tell from what they've shown so far just how good the combat will be but they have stated it will be 30fps which is a bad start.

Don't really care if Dante now looks like an emo teenager, they had just better deliver on the combat.

GAMEPLAY!

There are some really fuckin sweet scenes. The hits your doing don't see to have a lot of punch, and all the sound is kinda bland, but hey- He pulled a shield out of that guy's hand, so that's a good sign.

Animation is all pretty sick.

As others have mentioned the combat in Heavenly Sword was terrible, not just bad, borderline fucking broken. That said they can make interesting storys and great cinematics, and for that reason alone i'll definately rent DmC. But I have yet to play a fighting game outside of Japan (Character-Action or otherwise) with enough depth to warrant mastering it's mechanics.

Have any of you played it? No? Why do these debates exist again?

I hated Heavenly Sword, though the characters were cool.

I thought the demo of Enslaved that I played seemed like a step up, if still feeling a bit stiff in the everything.

Looking at gameplay from DMC it looks satisfactory to me, hard to know for sure. The sounds sound weak and weird though, not sure what is up with that. The design of the game or its main character surprised and bothered me for a total of 2 minutes after seeing the announcement trailer, I am so far beyond that right now that something something.

@Jost1 said:

@mutha3 said:

Uhm.....

I hope you realize Ninja Theory is exactly the reason people should be worried. I'll refrain from commenting on the story of these games, but have you played Enslaved and Heavenly Blade? Because the part where you played them was ass. And the part where DMC is supposed to shine is its expertly crafted gameplay.

You haven't played a bad game in your life if you think Enslaved was ass.

It was also not anything even close to resembling a Devil May Cry-style action game.

I thought that he looks way better.

I didn't care for Enslaved... don't hit me.

The combat was the worst part of Enslaved, that is why I worry for DMC.

@Jost1 said:

I know you're worried about Dante not being platinum blonde anymore but that's also the only thing you need to worry about.

It will be written into the story, silly. Previous trailers have semi-confirmed that already when his hair turns white in DT mode and will likely turn completely white by the end of the game.

So far Ninja Theory is 0/2. If I want 3-hour long games with poor combat and shitty endings, I'll go play a NT game. But I don't so I won't.

both enslaved and heavenly sword had amazing cutscenes, and imho overall stories, nicely fleshed out settings etc. however, both of them also had downright abysmal combat systems, so I won't hold my breath for this until I actually get my hands on it, preferably on a demo.

@xobballox said:

I usually try not to be a dick... but I'm going to be a dick. I thought Enslaved (And Heavenly Sword for that matter) was a massive pile of shit when it came to combat, and that's like eighty percent of what makes DMC so damn great to me. However, I'm cautiously optimistic as they seem to have possibly made a pretty decent combat system judging by the trailers, but I will be really surprised if it actually meets my expectations as a game in the DMC franchise.

This. Everything I enjoyed about their previous games had nothing to do with combat.

The redesign of Dante's character is a huge drawback for me. I never owned a PS2 and was so happy to finally play a DMC game on my PS3. And of course I was looking forward to the franchise continuing on the next gen consoles. And now they made a mediocre punk out of my white-haired bishie! >:(

I'll still get the game because I enjoy the fast gameplay, but Dante will never be the same to me again.