Valve Swerves on Dota 2 Plans, You'll Get to Play Soon

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Posted by patrickklepek (4926 posts) -
MOBA. Say it with me, now. MOOOOOBA. MO...MO...MOOOOOBA. Feels good, man.

So much about Dota 2 sounds very...up in the air. There's no announced business plan, the release date has publicly fluctuated between before the end of the year and sometime in 2012 and Valve showed the game off for the first time with a public tournament at this year's Gamescom.

It only makes sense there'd be another twist. You'll like this one, though.

Dota 2 designer and one of the original minds behind Dota, Icefrog, broke down the upcoming plans for Dota 2 in a blog post.

The "plan" was to spend the next year or so in beta, ironing out the game's kinks with the community, with an official release later.

"We’ve also seen that the folks who are already in the beta are chomping at the bit to show everyone else some of the fun games they’ve had," said Icefrog. "So we decided our original plan was dumb."

Instead, Dota 2 will become available to everyone soon. There will be a "hopefully short" invite-only period, but the idea's to give the world access to the in-development Dota 2. Updates will come regularly, and players will see it evolve in real-time.

I'm pretty sure I just heard Brad's head explode.

"There’ll be no restrictions on what players can do with it," he said. "They can release screenshots, make movies, shoutcast matches, write guides, publicly make fun of our HUD, or anything else their hearts desire."

The version that initially rolls out will feature the set of heroes featured in The International tournament from last month, but more heroes will be rolled out as development continues.

It's an unorthodox way of doing things, but this is Valve we're talking about. God bless 'em for it.

If you haven't signed up for an invite yet, make sure to do so.

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#1 Posted by patrickklepek (4926 posts) -
MOBA. Say it with me, now. MOOOOOBA. MO...MO...MOOOOOBA. Feels good, man.

So much about Dota 2 sounds very...up in the air. There's no announced business plan, the release date has publicly fluctuated between before the end of the year and sometime in 2012 and Valve showed the game off for the first time with a public tournament at this year's Gamescom.

It only makes sense there'd be another twist. You'll like this one, though.

Dota 2 designer and one of the original minds behind Dota, Icefrog, broke down the upcoming plans for Dota 2 in a blog post.

The "plan" was to spend the next year or so in beta, ironing out the game's kinks with the community, with an official release later.

"We’ve also seen that the folks who are already in the beta are chomping at the bit to show everyone else some of the fun games they’ve had," said Icefrog. "So we decided our original plan was dumb."

Instead, Dota 2 will become available to everyone soon. There will be a "hopefully short" invite-only period, but the idea's to give the world access to the in-development Dota 2. Updates will come regularly, and players will see it evolve in real-time.

I'm pretty sure I just heard Brad's head explode.

"There’ll be no restrictions on what players can do with it," he said. "They can release screenshots, make movies, shoutcast matches, write guides, publicly make fun of our HUD, or anything else their hearts desire."

The version that initially rolls out will feature the set of heroes featured in The International tournament from last month, but more heroes will be rolled out as development continues.

It's an unorthodox way of doing things, but this is Valve we're talking about. God bless 'em for it.

If you haven't signed up for an invite yet, make sure to do so.

Staff
#2 Edited by Sinful (211 posts) -

sounds cool. sweet

#3 Posted by DanHammett (157 posts) -

Damn

#4 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11138 posts) -

Great! Now how about some news on that next Half-Life game?

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#5 Edited by HotSauceMagik (264 posts) -

Not that unusual. Thats how HoN did it.

#6 Posted by sirdesmond (1241 posts) -

This is great news (since I really want to play). I feel like the game will be much better for it in the end as well.

#7 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

So we are basically getting a game for free, hurrah!

Will provide a nice change from League of Legends.

#8 Edited by phrosnite (3518 posts) -

The best story I've read today. I can't wait to play it.

Yeah, will people shut up about Episode 3 already? HL2 is overrated anyways.

#9 Edited by MayorFeedback (674 posts) -

HURR DURRR EPISODE 3 HAR HAR BLEEEEEEHHHHHHHH. Keep those snarky Half Life comments coming, folks, they are always funny and never get old!

I can't wait for this, for real. This looks like a ton of fun.

#10 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

@phrosnite said:

The best story I've read today. I can't wait to play it.

Yeah, will people shut up about Episode 3 already? HL2 is overrated anyways.

I'm usually against the death penalty, but in this case...

#11 Posted by KuribosShoe (640 posts) -

Swerve! It's like Vince Russo works at Valve now!

#12 Posted by Frostmane (56 posts) -

But why not just play League of Legends? They are in the process of rolling out a new game mode and it doesn't look like as super generic as DotA2 does? Also it actually iterates on the original in new and interesting ways (brush, no deny, etc, etc)

#13 Posted by BulleT (15 posts) -

Valve seems to always separate themselves from traditional models.

#14 Posted by ESWAT (54 posts) -

Reverse Valve Time™

#15 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

Their HUD so fat it makes your mom look like a supermodel.

#16 Posted by Christwood (30 posts) -

So they're going to give everyone a half-finished game while making themselves look like a bunch of really nice people.

I don't like this plan.

#17 Posted by zaglis (910 posts) -

@Frostmane said:

But why not just play League of Legends? They are in the process of rolling out a new game mode and it doesn't look like as super generic as DotA2 does? Also it actually iterates on the original in new and interesting ways (brush, no deny, etc, etc)

Totally brah. That unreleased game from Valve (makers of indie hits like Counter Strike, Half Life and Team Fortress) is totally way, way worse than a game that has been out for for years and has had many new content updates and patches.

...UGH. FUCKING INTERNET.

#18 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5260 posts) -

So I signed in through the Steam community thing. All it does is take me to the blog, no forms to fill or even a button to click to at least let me know that I actually signed up for it. Is there anything else I need to do or is that it?

#19 Posted by phrosnite (3518 posts) -

@zaglis said:

@Frostmane said:

But why not just play League of Legends? They are in the process of rolling out a new game mode and it doesn't look like as super generic as DotA2 does? Also it actually iterates on the original in new and interesting ways (brush, no deny, etc, etc)

Totally brah. That unreleased game from Valve (makers of indie hits like Counter Strike, Half Life and Team Fortress) is totally way, way worse than a game that has been out for for years and has had many new content updates and patches.

...UGH. FUCKING INTERNET.

DOTA 2 in its beta version is better than the current version of LoL.

#20 Posted by TromboneTony (156 posts) -

Man, I'm excited for this game and I don't even know how to play it. Guess I may want to spectate instead of play it.

#21 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Never played a MOBA game thus far, but dammit if Valve didn't just make me a convert. I WILL PLAY DOTA 2. Why? Because what you're doing is the opposite of a dick move!

#22 Posted by Sword5 (150 posts) -

He still calls himself Icefrog? He has a job now. Someone needs to punch him in the mouth.

#23 Posted by Dtat (1623 posts) -

Awesome! Now what about Half Life 3?

#24 Posted by Krenor (469 posts) -

@Ravenlight said:

Their HUD so fat it makes your mom look like a supermodel.

the amazing thing about the source engine is that it's extremely customizable, I am also very scared of the Dota2 roleplay that will happen in Garry's Mod once all characters are imported.

#25 Posted by Diablos1125 (179 posts) -
So much about Dota 2 sounds very...up in the air. There's no announced business plan

The leaks and stuff that were just been uncovered recently point to what looks like a F2P model. Certain heroes being locked out for noobs etc. have been confirmed from the data mine stuff.

#26 Posted by admanb (225 posts) -

@Sword5 said:

He still calls himself Icefrog? He has a job now. Someone needs to punch him in the mouth.

Icefrog is his public name. If they stopped calling him Icefrog, Dota fans would no longer know who he was and his value would crash.

#27 Posted by admanb (225 posts) -

@phrosnite said:

@zaglis said:

@Frostmane said:

But why not just play League of Legends? They are in the process of rolling out a new game mode and it doesn't look like as super generic as DotA2 does? Also it actually iterates on the original in new and interesting ways (brush, no deny, etc, etc)

Totally brah. That unreleased game from Valve (makers of indie hits like Counter Strike, Half Life and Team Fortress) is totally way, way worse than a game that has been out for for years and has had many new content updates and patches.

...UGH. FUCKING INTERNET.

DOTA 2 in its beta version is better than the current version of LoL.

The world is big enough for both LoL and Dota 2 to exist, be popular, and be good. Grow up.

#28 Posted by BenderUnit22 (1502 posts) -

"In related news, Half-Life 2: Episode 3 will be released next week. We decided our original plan of not releasing it was dumb.

#29 Posted by Swoxx (3002 posts) -

I'm down with this, all the way down

#30 Posted by Frostmane (56 posts) -

@admanb said:

@phrosnite said:

@zaglis said:

@Frostmane said:

But why not just play League of Legends? They are in the process of rolling out a new game mode and it doesn't look like as super generic as DotA2 does? Also it actually iterates on the original in new and interesting ways (brush, no deny, etc, etc)

Totally brah. That unreleased game from Valve (makers of indie hits like Counter Strike, Half Life and Team Fortress) is totally way, way worse than a game that has been out for for years and has had many new content updates and patches.

...UGH. FUCKING INTERNET.

DOTA 2 in its beta version is better than the current version of LoL.

The world is big enough for both LoL and Dota 2 to exist, be popular, and be good. Grow up.

If you have time to play and get good at 2 competitive multiplayer games at the same time you have too much time. Nothing about DotA 2 seems to be changing the game at all, so why not play a more mature product? All I've seen of DotA 2 so far is generic and doesn't seem to be improving the genre.

#31 Posted by cikame (1007 posts) -

This type of release always concerns me, because the end result is most people played it early and won't see the final version.

#32 Posted by admanb (225 posts) -

@Frostmane said:

@admanb said:

The world is big enough for both LoL and Dota 2 to exist, be popular, and be good. Grow up.

If you have time to play and get good at 2 competitive multiplayer games at the same time you have too much time. Nothing about DotA 2 seems to be changing the game at all, so why not play a more mature product? All I've seen of DotA 2 so far is generic and doesn't seem to be improving the genre.

Different people like different styles of games. LoL and Dota 2 are as different as Modern Warfare and Gears of War, and I hear those are both pretty popular.

Dota 2 is "generic" in the sense that it is Dota. A lot of people still like Dota, and will happily play a Dota that has better matchmaking and is better supported.

#33 Posted by TzarStefan (428 posts) -

This game will fail. LoL ftw!

#34 Posted by shiftplusone (48 posts) -
@Sword5

He still calls himself Icefrog? He has a job now. Someone needs to punch him in the mouth.

Suda51 should do it IMO
#35 Posted by Akia (38 posts) -

Valve is calling the genre Action-RTS. I think that makes more sense than MOBA.

Dota is to the RTS genre, what Diablo was to the RPG genre.

#36 Posted by ucankurbaga (173 posts) -

Great news, can't wait for this.

#37 Posted by JokerSmilez (1293 posts) -

@zaglis said:

@Frostmane said:

But why not just play League of Legends? They are in the process of rolling out a new game mode and it doesn't look like as super generic as DotA2 does? Also it actually iterates on the original in new and interesting ways (brush, no deny, etc, etc)

Totally brah. That unreleased game from Valve (makers of indie hits like Counter Strike, Half Life and Team Fortress) is totally way, way worse than a game that has been out for for years and has had many new content updates and patches.

...UGH. FUCKING INTERNET.

Not to nitpick, but Valve didn't make Counter Strike or Team Fortress. Someone else did and Valve hired them to make the game (or an updated version of the game) for them.

In fact, that's exactly what happened with DOTA2 as well. Icefrog was the main curator of the original DotA and Valve hired him to make DOTA2 (FYI, the creator of the "DotA Allstars" map which became the standard variation of DotA, Steve "Guinsoo" Feak, is now a head designer at Riot Games, maker of League of Legends).

People love to slurp all over Valve for making great games when they don't actually make many games themselves. They operate much more like a publisher than a developer. They make very smart hiring decisions and get people to make a new version of a game they've made already (or expand on a concept they've created or are working on).

Modern-day Valve is a lot like the Nike of video games. Nike doesn't really make it's own products. Nike has always been a company that sees another company doing something cool so they buy that company, give them more money to make the thing they're already making even better and then slap their logo on it. That's their business model, and it's works very well.

This isn't really a bad thing as many of the most successful businesses operate in this way or incorporate it into their business (Apple is famous for it as well). It's tough to do well however because it relies on consistently smart business decisions.

The problem I have is when people say "DOTA2 is made by Valve and they made Counter Strike/Team Fortress/Portal/Left 4 Dead/Half Life, so of course it will be awesome!" because that isn't isn't really true. Valve is deliberately vague about their development process for this very reason. They want people to attribute their love of one of their past games to one of their upcoming games when it may have none of the same people working it. All the public really know is that it's "developed by Valve". I'm sure many of the "ground level" developers may have worked on several of Valves games but the people at the top of the design teams for each game are different people. This isn't really a "from the minds who brought you those other Valve games you liked" as much as "a game made by people who were hired by the same people who hired the people who made those other games you liked".

#38 Posted by tourgen (4518 posts) -

make the interns play

#39 Edited by Jokers_Wild (212 posts) -

@TzarStefan said:

This game will fail. LoL ftw!

Sorry, but your Nickelodeon battle arena is drawing its last breath. The true king of the genre has returned.

#40 Posted by bunnyfiend (28 posts) -

So they're doing exactly what LoL did.

#41 Posted by fisk0 (4174 posts) -

Don't care at all about the game, but I hope they make the engine easy to license like they did with the Source engine, I'd love to see more and proper RTSes using this engine.

#42 Posted by Kodo_Beast (131 posts) -
@Frostmane said:

@admanb said:


The world is big enough for both LoL and Dota 2 to exist, be popular, and be good. Grow up.

If you have time to play and get good at 2 competitive multiplayer games at the same time you have too much time. Nothing about DotA 2 seems to be changing the game at all, so why not play a more mature product? All I've seen of DotA 2 so far is generic and doesn't seem to be improving the genre.

 Why is it so hard to grasp that both games can co-exist?
 
@Akia said: 

Valve is calling the genre Action-RTS. I think that makes more sense than MOBA.

Dota is to the RTS genre, what Diablo was to the RPG genre.

I tend to agree. Multiplayer Online Battle Arena could describe any number of games. Is Quake Live a MOBA? Unreal 3? WoW Arenas / Battlegrounds?
#43 Posted by Aetheldod (3594 posts) -

@JokerSmilez: That may apply to those games , but for me my love for Valve comes from the Half life games , I dont care for the rest (with the exception of Portal).... saying that : WHERE THE HELL IS HALF LIFE 3!!!!!!! :'(

#44 Posted by fisk0 (4174 posts) -

@Kodo_Beast said:

Why is it so hard to grasp that both games can co-exist?

That's like saying Call of Duty and Battlefield, or StarCraft and Dawn of War could co-exist. Sounds like communism to me.

#45 Posted by Jimi (1126 posts) -

Yes

YES

#46 Posted by TzarStefan (428 posts) -

@Jokers_Wild: Both HoN and this garbage is not gonna do well. HoN is free now because of LoL, So yea gl for "DOTA 2" rofl

#47 Posted by Tahlo (14 posts) -

As much as I'm turned off by the communities surrounding these types of games, I'm still really excited to play this.

#48 Posted by SatelliteOfLove (1369 posts) -

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm-
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmoba.

#49 Posted by Owlright (117 posts) -

Looking forward to this, for sure.

#50 Posted by GnsDemon (115 posts) -

Kinda like what League of Legends did? ok awesome.

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