Not nerdy enough to enjoy Bioware games?

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#1 Posted by Smersh (228 posts) -

Don't get me wrong, I try my hardest to get into them but things just never 'click' for me. I played KOTOR and got bored of the pace, played Mass Effect (and had high hopes) but just kept getting lost (in space!), then I thought I'd give BIoware one more chance with Dragoon Age: Origins - I lasted about an hour... found I had to talk to waaaay to many annoying characters that couldn't tie there own shoe laces if their preprogrammed lives depended upon it. Whats wrong with me? am I the only one? am I not nerdy enough? or do Bioware games just blow?? 
 
Obviously I mean not to offend the lovers, but come on!

#2 Posted by Yummylee (22066 posts) -

Guess you just don't like RPG's, oh well?
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#3 Posted by Gorikka (116 posts) -

They just don't appeal to you. That's it. They clearly appeal to a certain audience, one which you are not a part of. 
 
The end.

#4 Posted by JJOR64 (19023 posts) -
@Smersh:  I'm with you.  I had big hopes for Mass Effect 1 and I was really disappointed.  I hated the dialog trees that BioWare does and the combat just felt bad to me.
 
So in a nutshell: JRPG > WRPG in my book.
#5 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -

Chances are you're spoiled by the heavy use of cinema in games these days. Gamers these days aren't willing to do as much of the work anymore when it comes to enjoying a good game. I spent hours reading through the codex in that game, and I enjoyed it, dammit!
 
Then again, I thought KOTOR was boring as fuck and couldn't force my way very far. Different strokes and all that.

#6 Posted by Shirogane (3579 posts) -

Hmm, the tieing your own shoe thing would be hilarious. 
 
Npc quest 'Tie my shoelace' 
 
Truthfully, i've been losing interest in Bioware games of late too. I played KotOR, and loved that. But never did manage to finish dragon age, and still trying to play through mass effect now.
#7 Posted by Little_Socrates (5683 posts) -
@JJOR64: So you played the least RPG-esque game BioWare's ever produced when you're a fan of JRPGs? 
 
Try Knights of the Old Republic, Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age. They're really NOTHING like Mass Effect in their dialogue system or combat.
#8 Posted by JJOR64 (19023 posts) -
@Little_Socrates:  I've always wanted to try KOTOR, but I never got around to it.
#9 Posted by LordMuffin (36 posts) -
@Smersh: Maybe you should have stayed with Kotor.  I was bored for a bit but once the story took off I was hooked and loved it.  But sounds like you are just not a fan of RPG.  Start with Borderlands its a great way to try them out. Its like "RPG light".
#10 Posted by LiquidPrince (16018 posts) -

I hate DnD/Lord of the Rings style games, and I'm not that into Mass Effect or even the KOTOR games, but I've fallen in love with Dragon Age. It's awesome.

#11 Posted by august (3854 posts) -

If "not being nerdy enough" is the same as "not having enough of an attention span" then you may be.

#12 Posted by CornontheCobbe (2645 posts) -
@Smersh: I'm with ya there buddy. 
 
Played Mass Effect for a bit and got lost, bored and found there is too much talking and not enough action. Also the layout for the equipment and weapons is confusing as hell.
 
Then last week, i bought Dragon Age: Origins, and it did not appeal to me that well, yet. Maybe because i have only played the first hour or so and got so confused that there was some Rat that then turned into a Man-Bear-Pig and then... well i'm not really sure as that is as far as i have got. I will play more of it though just to see if it gets interesting.
 
I also love RPG's, but more Oblivion and Fallout style. 
 
So you are not alone on the Bioware products.
#13 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@Smersh: 
 
I understand brah, play Mass Effect 2 instead.  Mass Effect 2 is about the most un-RPG RPG there is.  You don't have an Inventory, you don't have to manage a complex levelling system, you really don't have to manage you party members because they'll do what they can in the most logical way possible without much assistance at all.  It's a shooter through and through and the spare few times you actually have to stop and think in terms of opening locked doors and other objects or mining planets for resouces, the game uses memory matching minigames with visual cues and clues.  The other stuff like team selection and choices to be made in dialogue are pretty much there to make it a viable story.  I really think that Mass Effect 2 will be much more enjoyable for you.
#14 Posted by gla55jAw (2692 posts) -

I'm mostly into JRPG's but I just can't put down Dragon Age Origins. I'm around 40 hours and I think I still probably have another 20 hours to finish the main quest since I'm doing just about all the side quests, and I never care about those. As for Mass Effect, I played it when it came out and never finished. I started playing through about half of it again from the beginning and plan on playing Mass Effect 2 after (which I picked up), but I got my copy of Dragon Age from Gamefly and put Mass Effect on hold since I love it so much. I even picked up the Collectors Edition. 
 
Anyways, you probably just don't like RPGs? Or maybe like you said, you just don't like Bioware games. For me I just cannot get into Bethesda games. I bought both Oblivion and Fallout 3, got around 20 hours in and never played again.
#15 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Maybe one day they'll copy a game you like and you can enjoy the thing they copy and tolerate the rest.

#16 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@JJOR64 said:
" @Smersh:  I'm with you.  I had big hopes for Mass Effect 1 and I was really disappointed.  I hated the dialog trees that BioWare does and the combat just felt bad to me.  So in a nutshell: JRPG > WRPG in my book. "
OH NO YOU DIDN'T !!!!
#17 Posted by Alphawolfy (325 posts) -

Not sure what you mean by "not nerdy enough", as these stereotypes are quite confusing nowadays. But anyway, perhaps RPGs aren't for you; although from what I've heard, Mass Effect 2 is very non-RPGish (though still an RPG, not sure how that works). So maybe you could tr y that? I  was much offset by ME1's clumsy combat and interface too.

#18 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

Wait, wait.  I have a joke brewing here to do with not being Emofag enough to appreciate JRPGs.
 
Oh...wait.

#19 Posted by PenguinDust (12558 posts) -

With the "too much talking" comment, sounds to me like you just don't like RPGs.  It's okay, not every game genre is built for every player.  I'd stay away from Adventure games, too if I was you because those tend to be conversation heavy.  Borderlands might appeal to you since it's really a shooter with RPG elements.  And, there isn't much story or talking to get in the way of the action.   I don't quite understand the "not nerdy enough" remark since it seems to segment people who enjoy gaming further.  Don't we have enough trouble with the casual and hardcore labels?  Anyway, what's wrong with you?  Nothing, you just don't aren't attracted to these types of games.  Don't bother with other Bioware, Bethesda and most JRPGs because they are often laden with interactive conversations.  It's okay, that's why developers make Uncharted, God of War and other fast-action games. 

#20 Posted by deathface123 (81 posts) -

i am unsure whether to try DA:O. im all for rpgs but i dunno if ill drown in the amount of content. 
what i mean is when i play games like DA or oblivion im never sure if im on the right track/what i should do next.
however i couldnt stop playing fallout 3. but then fallout, imo, was a little easier to get into, manage quests and follow the main quest line...

#21 Posted by eroticfishcake (7786 posts) -

It's nothing to do with nerdiness. Bioware games just don't appeal to you. You could give Jade Empire a whirl though. If that doesn't do it for you then just stay away from Bioware.

#22 Posted by Gabriel (4067 posts) -

Try Fallout 3 it's a lot different than Bioware games

#23 Posted by natetodamax (19212 posts) -

You just don't like RPGs.

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#24 Posted by endaround (2147 posts) -
@deathface123: There really isn't a way to get "lost"in DA:O.  While you get to decide where to go, one you're there there isn't a big need to move around all over the world causign you to encounter a bunch more quests.
#25 Posted by BuchinyLordOfTaco (49 posts) -

i think you just don't like RPGs, but maybe everyone is just different, i for one love DA:O, TES 3 morrowind (oblivion only improved in horses, graphics and alchemy, the rest sucked), and baulder's gate, as well as EWN, but i thought KOTOR, ME, and ME2 sucked, as well as Fallout 3. maybe you should try an MMO or something.

#26 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

As a fan of late 90's CRPGS, Bioware just doesn't do it for me. You'd think it'd be the opposite, but nah. Maybe I've adopted new tastes or something, but many CRPG staples of that era seem to make me happer when applied to other genres. STALKER, for instance, has the most interesting and immersive gamestyle I've played in all my years of gaming.

#27 Posted by immike (714 posts) -

Funny cause I like all of those games. You may not like RPGs. Just play something you like.

#28 Posted by threeve (199 posts) -

I did find the quest management a little cumbersome in DA:O, just because some of the quests you may forget about if you just play a couple hours a day and then when it comes time to act, you may not remember that this is a quest you're on and you miss that opportunity.  Likewise with some of the "find all these people in Various locations around Ferelden" quests it's difficult (impossible?) to tell who you have left and who you've done already.  A WoW-style quest tracker would have saved some pains there.  With the main quest stuff though, you pretty much know what you need to do and it's a bit more straight forward, so no real harm done.

#29 Posted by arab_prince (2053 posts) -

You're broken. Bioware is amazing.

#30 Posted by void1234 (35 posts) -

They just aren't your type of games. Bioware games are VERY story driven and you have to except that its not all kill kill kill explosion like modern warfare of Fallout. It takes time and if you can't put in the time then don't try

#31 Posted by Trilogy (2675 posts) -
@arab_prince said:
" You're broken. Bioware is amazing. "
Pretty much sums it up.
#32 Posted by Supermarius (1196 posts) -
@deathface123:  dragon age origins is honestly pretty linear. You can choose what order to do main story quests in, but there are only 4 or 5 options and no matter what order you do them in you will do them all eventually. There is one big story chunk per area so you cant really get lost.
#33 Posted by Dormath (3 posts) -
@void1234 said:
" They just aren't your type of games. Bioware games are VERY story driven and you have to except that its not all kill kill kill explosion like modern warfare of Fallout. It takes time and if you can't put in the time then don't try "
Agreed if BIoware made it I loved it because I am driven by story.  But i am not a fan of fallout and other games rated highly.
#34 Posted by deathface123 (81 posts) -
@Supermarius: since i posted that comment i have since gone on to buy DA:O and im on my second playthrough... i love it! i dont kno what i was at all apprehensive for as it has something for most people within the game. i couldnt get enough of the dialogue and party banter if im honest though! XD
#35 Posted by Lambert (404 posts) -

More like you are too stupid to enjoy Bioware games.

#36 Posted by FirePrince (1763 posts) -


Long RPG's get boring,fast.I hate them.I finished Mass Effect in 15 hours,and it was awesome.That is how all RPG's should be.

#37 Posted by ProlificShadow (399 posts) -

Yeah, it looks like you just don't have the patience for RPG's. Honestly, if you don't like Dragon Age, you don't like RPG's because that is pretty much the definition of an RPG. It has nothing to do with you "not being nerdy enough".

#38 Posted by tranquilchaos (575 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" Maybe one day they'll copy a game you like and you can enjoy the thing they copy and tolerate the rest. "
I'm starting to like you.
#39 Posted by Gabriel (4067 posts) -

I didn't think I was either, I was like Fuck Elves and Dwarves this is gay... man was I wrong I got hooked on Dragon Age.

#40 Posted by misplacedcircus (56 posts) -

I suggest trying action-RPGs like Borderlands.

#41 Posted by RedneckedCrake (311 posts) -

Bioware games nowadays are obviously separated by the dialogue and storylines. It takes a long time to get around to doing actual quests because of the dialogue and character development that must be done so you understand the context in which you're doing that quest. Mass Effect had this problem and when Bioware figured out that ME was this type of game, they made ME2 a lot more simplified in order to appeal to a much larger audience. 
 
Dragon Age is WAY deeper and full of content than ME. The entire beginning of the game before you even start recruiting party members takes about 3 - 4 hours to do. Bioware games are just long as hell, but their plots are really awesome, which is why I like them. 
 
I would recommend more action RPGs. Poster above me mentioned Borderlands, which is good. ME2 is good if you want a quicker, but still Bioware RPG.

#42 Edited by NTM (7485 posts) -

I guess it's just one of those things that comes along that you can't grasp a likeness for even if you wanted to. It happens. I don't think it's something someone could recommend you try and like or not, it's just something you may gain over time. Like the Prince of Persia games for me in the past. I had been so into games like Ninja Gaiden, DMC, and God of War, then I tried Prince of Persia, only to find out the combat isn't as engaging as those other ones. Although I understand now that those games aren't really alike, so I got passed my dislike for it. It may be just the fact you hope for something better in those games but never find what you're looking for. And being nerdy or not has nothing to do with it. Sorry to say, but if you're on this site! You're a nerd in one way or another ha ha. Not a bad thing though, just sayin'.
#43 Posted by starrjack1 (91 posts) -
@JJOR64 said: 

@Smersh:  I'm with you.  I had big hopes for Mass Effect 1 and I was really disappointed.  I hated the dialog trees that BioWare does and the combat just felt bad to me.  So in a nutshell: JRPG > WRPG in my book. "  

 
What bugs you about the dialog in Bioware games and what makes the dialog in JRPG's manageable or even good?  I had to think about that for a bit and I suppose in a lot of JRPG's you can skip most of the dialog, but if you really believe most Japanese game writing to be better than western game writing then you just have not played enough western games.  I love a good JRPG but I got my fill of melodrama in highschool.
 
@august
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" If "not being nerdy enough" is the same as "not having enough of an attention span" then you may be. "  

Maybe I am reading that the wrong way, but you make that seem like a huge negative.  If someone can't get into a RPG's dialog that doesn't always mean they lack patience. Relative to other media and some games in other genres, RPG's writing is slow, plodding and filled with unnecessary fluff.  Just look at Valve games, they rarely take you out of the gameplay and use the environment in and in-game dialog to tell a compelling story.  I like that Bioware has been doing new and interesting things to tell their stories and involve the player more, and for the sizes of the universes they are usually dealing with there is a lot that needs to be explained, but their systems still need a lot of work and not everyone has the time or the tolerance for them. 
 
@Smersh said:
"...or do Bioware games just blow??... "
That's just, like, your opinion man.
#44 Posted by niamahai (1405 posts) -

imo Mass Effect 2 was the easiest Bioware game to get into
 
there's something that DA:O isn't triggering my inner Bioware fanboy-ism.. i'm not sure whether it's the combat or the character movement.. that game just lacks something but I'm not sure.

#45 Posted by haggis (1677 posts) -

I loved KotoR, Mass Effect and Dragon Age. There is a lot of talking, but then I grew up playing adventure games. That is, text-based adventure games. So I don't mind reading a bit, and certainly don't mind conversations--even long ones--in games. If you don't like dialogue, Bioware games just aren't for you. Still, there was a lot of talking in Bethesda's games, as well. Western RPGs have a lot of that. You know. Story and plot. Of course, I can't stand JRPGs, for the most part. They have a lot of talking as well, except it seems to be done by really annoying, cliched characters. Even still, I liked Lost Odyssey well enough. The story style is different, and if one doesn't appeal to you, the other might. Or neither. But if you can't understand that there are different tastes in games, you should probably figure it out soon. I don't get why some people have to get offensive when they don't like a game, rather than just recognizing that not all games appeal to everyone.

#46 Posted by RedneckedCrake (311 posts) -
@haggis: Totally agree here. I also get really annoyed at people who claim they don't understand the story of a game because it was too "convoluted" or "confusing". Perhaps if they actually attempted to use their squirrel sized brains to make heads and tails of everything, they'd be able to grasp it. I fail to understand how people can't follow Halo's plot, yet there are some people out there who refuse to even know what is going on while they're playing the games.
#47 Posted by haggis (1677 posts) -
@RedneckedCrake: The problem is that some games actually are convoluted and confusing. That's because most writing for games sucks. I mean, really sucks. Bioware's games are better written than most, but they're still not great. Most games, though, have only middling stories. So I don't care if people ignore the stories and just play the games. But they shouldn't complain when they don't understand what's going on when they're not even trying. Halo's plot, for instance, is a bit convoluted and involved. There's a lot of backstory. If you don't like digging into the backstory, then the plot doesn't always make sense. But, then, if you don't like Halo's plot, there's no reason you have to pay attention to it. A game like Dragon Age, though, requires you to be paying attention in order to know what you're doing and what your options are. You can play it blind if you want (skipping dialogue), but you're going to get lost pretty quickly. I think that's where many people find they don't like the games. They get lost because they don't like listening to all the dialogue. Obviously the designers want you to listen. If you don't want to listen, don't say the game "blows" (because it quite obviously doesn't) but that you don't like it, or don't get why people would like it. Too often, when people simply don't like a game they have to make comments about it objectively (it "blows") rather than more appropriate subjective criticism ("I don't like dialogue-heavy games").
#48 Posted by Donkeycow (556 posts) -
@deathface123: you're never really lost in Dragon Age, it's not like oblivion where you are just sorta thrown out into the world to fend for yourself, you have set goals, and a set quest pretty much.
#49 Posted by void1234 (35 posts) -
Well what I've notice for Bioware games, KOTOR for sure is that there is a point in the story arch that you need to get past to actually start loving the game, I LOVE Bioware games but these are huge points that most people need to get past before the actually start to enjoy the experience. For KOTOR it's getting of Taris, KOTOR 2 is Peragus (GOD I HATED IT SOOOOO MUCH!!!) as well as Telos, For Mass Effect it's getting for the damned citadel and Mass effect 2 is completing Horizon. What I found for Origins is that you need to get past Ostagar to really enjoy it.
#50 Posted by MetalMoog (908 posts) -

Bioware is a stamp of quality to me when I buy games. I have yet to play a game from Bioware that I didn't end up loving. I say end up loving, because their games are a very slow burn. I thought Mass Effect and KotOR were boring as hell for the first few hours, but forced myself to stick with them because I knew the payoff would be huge. That payoff being incredible characters and storytelling, that really suck me in to their created worlds, and make me want to keep pushing forward not only because of the gameplay, but primarily because I'm completely hooked and invested in the story and characters. I haven't played games from any other studio that focus so much on such great story telling and character development. For me Bioware means total immersion in the games. And they are from my hometown which further adds to my love and loyalty for this incredible studio!

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