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Duke Nukem Forever

Game » consists of 14 releases. First released on Jun 14, 2011

After approximately fourteen years of development, the heavily infamous sequel to Duke Nukem 3D was finally released, in which the macho Duke must damper yet another alien invasion. Always bet on Duke?

PR Firm Threatens Publications (Then Apologizes) Over Duke Nukem Review Scores

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Posted by patrickklepek (1625 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

As Duke Nukem Forever review scores went live across the Internet, The Redner Group, a public relations firm that works with Duke publisher 2K Games, started lashing back at critics.

"#AlwaysBetOnDuke too many went too far with their reviews," read a tweet, now deleted, from The Redner Group's account. "w r reviewing who gets games next time and who doesn't based on today's venom."

That update, and others expressing distaste with scores, has since been deleted. It did not take long for others to dogpile in response, prompting a series of apologies from The Redner Group, including a personal email sent to Giant Bomb and other outlets. The apology appeared sincere.

"I have to apologize to the community," read the public apology. "I acted out of pure emotion. I will be sending each of you a private apology. I need to state for the record that 2K had nothing to do with this. I will be calling each of you tomorrow to apologize. Again, I want everyone to know that I was acting on my own. 2K had nothing to do with this. I am so very sorry for what I said."

2K Games responded today by publicly declaring it had dropped The Redner Group as a firm representing its products. The decision was announced in both emails to press and over Twitter.

== TEASER ==

"2K Games does not endorse the comments made by Jim Redner and we can confirm that The Redner Group no longer represents our products," said the company. "We have always maintained a mutually-respectful working relationship with the press and do not condone his actions in any way."

Our review of the long-in-development Duke Nukem Forever went up earlier this week.

Getting blacklisted by a publisher is not new. Publishers aren't required to work with any website. The difference is that when this happens, you don't tend to hear about it. Games just don't show up, emails go unanswered. It's part of the job, but what is usually constant is how it's a practice that remains behind-the-scenes. It almost never goes public. In this case, it went completely viral.

Practices like that are why we're always prepared to buy our own review copies, if necessary.

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#1 Posted by patrickklepek (1625 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

As Duke Nukem Forever review scores went live across the Internet, The Redner Group, a public relations firm that works with Duke publisher 2K Games, started lashing back at critics.

"#AlwaysBetOnDuke too many went too far with their reviews," read a tweet, now deleted, from The Redner Group's account. "w r reviewing who gets games next time and who doesn't based on today's venom."

That update, and others expressing distaste with scores, has since been deleted. It did not take long for others to dogpile in response, prompting a series of apologies from The Redner Group, including a personal email sent to Giant Bomb and other outlets. The apology appeared sincere.

"I have to apologize to the community," read the public apology. "I acted out of pure emotion. I will be sending each of you a private apology. I need to state for the record that 2K had nothing to do with this. I will be calling each of you tomorrow to apologize. Again, I want everyone to know that I was acting on my own. 2K had nothing to do with this. I am so very sorry for what I said."

2K Games responded today by publicly declaring it had dropped The Redner Group as a firm representing its products. The decision was announced in both emails to press and over Twitter.

== TEASER ==

"2K Games does not endorse the comments made by Jim Redner and we can confirm that The Redner Group no longer represents our products," said the company. "We have always maintained a mutually-respectful working relationship with the press and do not condone his actions in any way."

Our review of the long-in-development Duke Nukem Forever went up earlier this week.

Getting blacklisted by a publisher is not new. Publishers aren't required to work with any website. The difference is that when this happens, you don't tend to hear about it. Games just don't show up, emails go unanswered. It's part of the job, but what is usually constant is how it's a practice that remains behind-the-scenes. It almost never goes public. In this case, it went completely viral.

Practices like that are why we're always prepared to buy our own review copies, if necessary.

Staff
#2 Posted by Daiphyer (1202 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Damn those PR

#3 Posted by TheFakePsychic (136 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

It's a shame that the game didn't end up as well as it could have, but c'est la vie I guess.

#4 Posted by rmanthorp (3348 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Haha I read this earlier it's a fucking great story!

#5 Posted by MysteriousBob (6201 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Well it was a nice business while it lasted. Good luck finding a new job, man.

#6 Posted by Williamdeb (25 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

That's pretty great....

#7 Posted by Hadoken101 (313 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Man, Duke makes people do fucking crazy shit.

#8 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6233 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

I want to see Jeff get into a knife fight with George Broussard.
 
This has nothing to do with the article, I just want to see it happen.

#9 Posted by Kyreo (4594 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

*sigh* Duke.

#10 Posted by Wuddel (1579 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Don't worry. Everyone is still gonna buy that Bioshock Infinite.

#11 Posted by pgharavi (17 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

lol    

#12 Edited by crusader8463 (13057 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

He's not sorry for saying that. He's just sorry his higher ups found out.

#13 Posted by TheBlackPigeon (273 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

It's a shame to see shit like this happen. But, at least he was man enough to apologize about it. I hope he learns something from all of this.

#14 Posted by louiedog (2286 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Was that wrong? Should he not have done that?

#15 Posted by louiedog (2286 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago
@SethPhotopoulos said:
How would you buy a "review" copy?  If you could buy it wouldn't the game be out and reviews kind of pointless?
Yes. 100% of game sales are on the first day.
#16 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (4813 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago
@louiedog said:
@SethPhotopoulos said:
How would you buy a "review" copy?  If you could buy it wouldn't the game be out and reviews kind of pointless?
Yes. 100% of game sales are on the first day.
Exactly my point sir.
#17 Posted by PrioritySeven (311 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

All this nonsense over DUKE NUKEM FOREVER?! All is lost.

#18 Posted by sensory (47 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

And now The Redner Group is no longer associated with 2K games. That tweet essentially got Redner canned and made his PR firm unemployable. Great going.

#19 Posted by tourgen (2951 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

it is interesting to see what game reviews get posted on day 0 across the various outlets

someone should chart that out over a year

#20 Posted by clumsyninja1 (612 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

PR's are for pussies

#21 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (4929 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

I kind of feel bad for the guy, it was a really stupid thing to say and it only harmed him.

#22 Posted by CaLe (2491 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

I don't think I'll ever fully understand the PR/Publisher relationship..

#23 Posted by notha (231 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

@TheBlackPigeon said:

It's a shame to see shit like this happen. But, at least he was man enough to apologize about it. I hope he learns something from all of this.

man enough? what was he gonna do instead, tell everybody to fuck off?

#24 Posted by Enigma777 (5970 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

@Daiphyer said:

Damn those PR

PR are people too!

#25 Posted by Sanious (679 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago
@SethPhotopoulos: The review isn't pointless because not everyone buys day one and people specifically look forward to certain peoples reviews.
#26 Posted by Shady1992 (161 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

I kind of feel bad for the guy losing his job effectively; but on the other hand, its a good message to send that just because you have outlets like Facebook and Twitter doesn't mean that people employed with profressionals should act like teenagers tweeting their most recent emotional whims.   
 
Its good to see the gaming industry moving in this direction - no room for sloppiness

#27 Posted by ouvintes (55 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

One would think a PR person, of all people, would know better.

#28 Posted by Afroman269 (7388 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Was the guy personally involved in the development of DNF? I don't see why the fuck he would be so emotional about the reviews.

#29 Posted by RYNO9881 (623 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

What I don't understand is why the PR group would lash out? It's not like he developed the game. Why do this for a single game and risk this kind of backlash?

#30 Posted by Hector (3200 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

DNF will be end of gaming as we know it! lol

#31 Posted by JohnDudebro (915 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

This guy is one hundred percent fired now.

That's the shitty thing about Twitter. You can make one stupid statement that costs you everything.

#32 Posted by onimonkii (2314 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

kind of sad this had to happen over duke nukem

#33 Posted by Vorbis (2746 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Always sucks to hear about this, have to wonder how many publishers have GB blacklisted because of their reviews.

#34 Posted by Deathpooky (1071 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

As they say, it's only a crime if you get caught. Doing it behind the scenes is one thing. Doing it publicly is just stupid

#35 Posted by Bestostero (2755 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

haha.

#36 Posted by ImperiousRix (2933 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Reviewers to Jim Redner... 
"DON'T BOO US!  Y'ALL SHOULD BE BOOIN' YASELF!" 
Or maybe that was R-Truth to the WWE Universe.  I can't remember.

#37 Posted by Suedehead (110 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

A PR firm with horrible PR issues. Ohhhhh the irony.

#38 Posted by Red12b (8816 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Haha, that guy is fucked

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#39 Posted by Red (5893 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Sounds like the exact opposite of what you want from a PR person. 

#40 Posted by Curufinwe (1161 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago
#41 Edited by emem (1923 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

@Mr_Skeleton said:

I kind of feel bad for the guy, it was a really stupid thing to say and it only harmed him.

Yep, sad.. in every way.

#42 Posted by MiniPato (2267 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

@Mr_Skeleton said:

I kind of feel bad for the guy, it was a really stupid thing to say and it only harmed him.

Yeah I kinda feel bad for him too. Though I'm sure almost everyone else will go "Don't feel bad for him, he deserves all the shit he gets!" I suppose that's the downside of being in a high position, the world is watching what you say.

#43 Posted by Zabant (1213 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago
@clumsyninja1 said:
PR's are for pussies
You tell em duke
#44 Edited by Brackynews (3302 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm not at all qualified to judge Jim Redner as a dude, and I have no schadenfreude to see a gaff like this cost someone their contract(s). God knows I've said and typed things I genuinely regret. But I do hope that the PR and corporate folks whom we all know read Giant Bomb, understand the magnitude of glass house asshattery this kind of attitude comes off as. Speaking as a paying customer who cares about reading a multitude of balanced reviews, the mere idea that you are choosing whose opinion I should trust is the worst possible PR decision you can make.

If I was a game reviewer this would have been my response: "Jim, we waited 15 years to review this game, we can wait 15 years and 3 days to review your next one. Thanks for the heads up."

#45 Posted by Wuddel (1579 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Well, I am getting from this that this is a 1-person-PR firm or something (additional staff for 2K PR?), and he feared backlash from 2K over his selection of reviewing sites etc.

#46 Posted by Cogzwell (161 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

For me the release of Duke Nukem could not have been more perfect. If something flounders for 13 years, grow up and leave it behind. A game like Duke Nukem just can't be made today except for by the most skilled developers imaginable.... who? i don't know... Arrowhead?

#47 Posted by Greenlight13 (98 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

Man, Jim Rednar got owned.

#48 Posted by The_Nubster (1540 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago

As much as I disagree with how he acted, it's gotta be hard to see something so personal get ripped apart. Whatever his degree of involvement was, it's very clear he had some strong feelings about Duke and damn if he doesn't have the right to express himself. 
 
That being said, he shouldn't have done so publicly, especially not as the head of the firm. Gotta learn when to keep things private. Poor guy.

#49 Posted by Jtan21 (147 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago
@RYNO9881 said:

What I don't understand is why the PR group would lash out? It's not like he developed the game. Why do this for a single game and risk this kind of backlash?

Guess it is in style nowadays to throw yourself on a sword for a game that gets panned/doesn't live up to expectations or hype.
#50 Edited by paradox121 (315 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago
@The_Nubster said:

As much as I disagree with how he acted, it's gotta be hard to see something so personal get ripped apart. Whatever his degree of involvement was, it's very clear he had some strong feelings about Duke and damn if he doesn't have the right to express himself.  That being said, he shouldn't have done so publicly, especially not as the head of the firm. Gotta learn when to keep things private. Poor guy.

Definitely agree. It's kinda a momentous game and to be put in charge of representing it must seem like an honour. Then to have it ripped apart by everyone must be a tad crushing. 
Overall it's kinda said with what DNF has ended up being. It really should've stayed as a 'myth' rather than this whole weird mess. Surely you'd rather people say 'Ha, bet it'll never come out like DNF' rather than 'Ha, bet it comes out and sucks like DNF'. You captured Bigfoot and it turns out he's an arse.
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