Apparently there is a rape scene in Duke Nukem Forever, I assume it's on the alien ship/base/whatever, probably more towards the end of the game. To give some perspective, here is a quote from a review I was reading, and for the sake of discussion, the quote will remain anonymous (to avoid a derailing): 
 

One level in particular takes place in an alien nest where Earth's women are being inseminated by giant penises. The women writhe and moan in a fairly humiliating fashion, and they regularly sob with no small amount of implied misery. In essence, the women look like they're getting raped. In fact, they are. That's the big joke of the level. The aliens are raping the women to create babies. Now, I'm a fan of offensive humor, but the "joke" in this level is so morbidly presented, so dark and downright unsettling, that I simply do not know if Gearbox intends for us to laugh or to throw up. I certainly found I was in danger of doing the latter over the former.

By the time Duke Nukem finally makes a "You're fucked," joke, which he makes in front of two girls who are about to die in the process of getting sexually assaulted, Duke does not come across as cool, witty or likable in the least. He comes across as a vile, callous, thoroughly detestable psychopath. 

It's not impossible to make an alien rape joke amusing if you're clever enough, but the fact that nobody making this game actually bothered to try is what really concerns me. According to Gearbox, seeing women tortured was funny enough. According to common sense, it really, really wasn't. 

 
I presented the entire rundown, and not just snippets as I wanted people to read the entire entry with context. 

 
This was my fear with Duke Nukem Forever at some point. I understand Duke's brand of humor, but I don't remember rape jokes being cool. To give things a slight perspective, in Duke Nukem 3D, when you would shoot a girl who's stuck in a pod, it would spawn three or four aliens telling you, "hey guess what? That's not cool. Don't do that again." The pods were just where the girls were being held, like a prison cell.
 
Here, it just sounds tasteless and morbid, and I might skip out on DNF because making fun of rape in any fashion, or at least in such a morbid way as it seems, is downright offensive.   For those of you who have played through the game, what did you think when you saw this? Was it relatively harmless, or was it tasteless?

There's no rape. It's just women attached to ceilings and walls in dark areas that moan and cry because they're harboring aliens inside them. Same concept as Alien.

I don't really know what to think of this....

couldn't care less about rape in games, it happens in eal life and has been a theme in movies. im not going to blow my mind just because there is interactivity.

Uhh I played through the game and there is certainly nothing like that. People are now making shit up just to hate on DNF.

I don't really know what to think of this....

@BrainSpecialist said:

@Jace said:

@BrainSpecialist said:

@Jace said:

@BrainSpecialist said:

Here is the bottom line -

No one is complaining about rape being in a videogame, at least not anyone with any understanding of free speech. I just don't think people like crude, prolonged jokes being made about rape. Duke seems like a sad, pathetic man and the context of that entire scene makes me feel ill.

So let me get this straight: Being shown a scene in which women are in pain because of event in a story makes you ill, but when Niko Bellic runs over and murders 10 pedestrians, you're just fucking dandy?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Violence against women makes me uncomfortable, especially when the game does it in excruciating detail and then makes crude jokes about it. I'm glad to see you're okay with it.

I was alright with it in GTA because it wasn't detailed, it was arbitrary, and in LA Noire that game took its subject matter really fucking seriously.

What do you mean "It wasn't detailed?" Someone rag-dolling after a car impact and wrapping around a lamp post and then blood being on the tires when I peel out is about as fucking detailed as it gets. But disregard that, because that's a stupid argument to get into to begin with.

So by your logic, raping/murdering women is okay in games so long as it's more of a side mission?

HAHA now THERE'S a fuckin morality compass. You hate women so much that raping them shouldn't even be a main quest huh?

The gore wasn't detailed, you cretin. Compare Soldier of Fortune to Battlefield 2. I didn't mention anything about it okay being a side mission. What the hell is wrong with you?

Okay first of all, why are you so mad?

Ohhh okay I see, so it's okay to show women being raped in games as long as it's more of an after-thought and they tone down the gore. And it's a tuesday....and it's raining....and it can't be the 15th...cherry-pick...etc.

You're okay with murder in one game, but not rape in another. That is the bottom line. And that, my friend, is just a little silly willy.

Yours,

Cretin

@BrainSpecialist said:

@Jace said:

@BrainSpecialist said:

@Jace said:

@BrainSpecialist said:

Here is the bottom line -

No one is complaining about rape being in a videogame, at least not anyone with any understanding of free speech. I just don't think people like crude, prolonged jokes being made about rape. Duke seems like a sad, pathetic man and the context of that entire scene makes me feel ill.

So let me get this straight: Being shown a scene in which women are in pain because of event in a story makes you ill, but when Niko Bellic runs over and murders 10 pedestrians, you're just fucking dandy?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Violence against women makes me uncomfortable, especially when the game does it in excruciating detail and then makes crude jokes about it. I'm glad to see you're okay with it.

I was alright with it in GTA because it wasn't detailed, it was arbitrary, and in LA Noire that game took its subject matter really fucking seriously.

What do you mean "It wasn't detailed?" Someone rag-dolling after a car impact and wrapping around a lamp post and then blood being on the tires when I peel out is about as fucking detailed as it gets. But disregard that, because that's a stupid argument to get into to begin with.

So by your logic, raping/murdering women is okay in games so long as it's more of a side mission?

HAHA now THERE'S a fuckin morality compass. You hate women so much that raping them shouldn't even be a main quest huh?

The gore wasn't detailed, you cretin. Compare Soldier of Fortune to Battlefield 2. I didn't mention anything about it okay being a side mission. What the hell is wrong with you?

Okay first of all, why are you so mad?

Ohhh okay I see, so it's okay to show women being raped in games as long as it's more of an after-thought and they tone down the gore. And it's a tuesday....and it's raining....and it can't be the 15th...cherry-pick...etc.

You're okay with murder in one game, but not rape in another. That is the bottom line. And that, my friend, is just a little silly willy.

Yours,

Cretin

Is the visual fidelity of it what makes it worse than it was in Duke 3D?

There were bitmapped 2D graphics of women being captured and raped by the aliens in Duke 3D but they just had two frames of animation and gibbed when you shot them. I mean, the plot is they're stealing the women, and this shows you for what purpose.

I still think it could have been presented better. The game doesn't know if it's horror or humor at this point and by trying to do both just makes you feel ashamed for playing it.

I WISH they were more suggestive with the rape scene, to be honest.

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@Jace said:

@BrainSpecialist said:

@Jace said:

@BrainSpecialist said:

@Jace said:

@BrainSpecialist said:

Here is the bottom line -

No one is complaining about rape being in a videogame, at least not anyone with any understanding of free speech. I just don't think people like crude, prolonged jokes being made about rape. Duke seems like a sad, pathetic man and the context of that entire scene makes me feel ill.

So let me get this straight: Being shown a scene in which women are in pain because of event in a story makes you ill, but when Niko Bellic runs over and murders 10 pedestrians, you're just fucking dandy?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Violence against women makes me uncomfortable, especially when the game does it in excruciating detail and then makes crude jokes about it. I'm glad to see you're okay with it.

I was alright with it in GTA because it wasn't detailed, it was arbitrary, and in LA Noire that game took its subject matter really fucking seriously.

What do you mean "It wasn't detailed?" Someone rag-dolling after a car impact and wrapping around a lamp post and then blood being on the tires when I peel out is about as fucking detailed as it gets. But disregard that, because that's a stupid argument to get into to begin with.

So by your logic, raping/murdering women is okay in games so long as it's more of a side mission?

HAHA now THERE'S a fuckin morality compass. You hate women so much that raping them shouldn't even be a main quest huh?

The gore wasn't detailed, you cretin. Compare Soldier of Fortune to Battlefield 2. I didn't mention anything about it okay being a side mission. What the hell is wrong with you?

Okay first of all, why are you so mad?

Ohhh okay I see, so it's okay to show women being raped in games as long as it's more of an after-thought and they tone down the gore. And it's a tuesday....and it's raining....and it can't be the 15th...cherry-pick...etcI

You're okay with murder in one game, but not rape in another. That is the bottom line. And that, my friend, is just a little silly willy.

Yours,

Cretin

There is no rape in the game. They just look like they are being sucked into the stuff or somthing.

I know, I'm just trying to cut him a little slack so his argument will have at least a tiny bit a substance.

To me, it looked like an Aliens reference. The woman were cocooned in a similar way and there were 'Pregnators' running around. No rape going on in my mind and so I have to question the mind set of anyone that did see it.

@Crash_Happy said:

To me, it looked like an Aliens reference. The woman were cocooned in a similar way and there were 'Pregnators' running around. No rape going on in my mind and so I have to question the mind set of anyone that did see it.

Yup, that has already been in DN3D, so much fuss about nothing.. And what a dramatic topic that's just not right. *sigh*

Any sex that isn't consensual is technically rape, and since these women are kidnapped to begin with......

Any sex yes, there are bugs that actually exist on earth that do exactly this sort of thing, they are not considered to be raping the host vessel. It's not considered sex. This definition only appears to be in the minds of those offended. When I came across it I didn't once think anything sexual had gone on and with people making all this of it I remain unconvinced that Gearbox would make light of such a thing.

Obviously there's little point in continuing this, if you played it and saw it as rape then honestly, I'm a little sad for you. Nothing I say will change anyones minds though so good luck to you all.

This thread makes me think of this free to download game:

Edmund

You can search "Edmund Game Download" on google to find out about the game without clicking that link, but I recommend taking the leap of faith and checking it out.

Also, hearing people just say "the rape scene" makes me think of this:

Those of you thumping your heads, Zoolander-style, trying to work out the difference in seriousness between simulated-violence-for kicks-and simulated-rape-for-kicks, let me try to put you out of your misery:
 
We live in a culture where violence and killing is almost universally feared and frowned on. Most of us are equally vulnerable when facing off against someone with a knife or gun while unarmed, and equally terrified when faced with the prospect of violent death, but also equally capable of feeling catharsis when seeing violence simulated. So we're all very capable of delineating between 'fake' and real violence. Thus, fake violence carries little prospect of genuinely hurting anybody (although the jury is somewhat still out on this, with more research being conducted into the subject).
 
Rape is not something men have much prospect of having to deal with - so it's not universally feared - and at least some people seem to think in some contexts it's okay, or that the victim deserves a share of the blame (if they were wearing the wrong clothes, for instance). Reading some people's posts here, I suspect some of you might even fall into the latter category. There is still a long-fought battle to be won for real life rape to be treated with the seriousness it deserves, and until that battle is won, there will be men who rape because they think they can get away with it, because they think that society tacitly lets them do it (ie. we say, "Oh, that's terrible" but don't really care). In that context, scenarios which present rape as something silly and amusing can and probably are responsible for real life harm done to human beings. Put simpler: not everyone sees the clear delineation between how you should treat 'fake' women and how you should treat 'real' women.
 
Also: it really is silly that people go on talking about 'offensiveness' without apparently being aware that causing 'offence' isnt the problem. Offence can be caused just because some is uptight. The problem with Duke (and it's way more widespread than Duke) is that it promotes attitudes (in this case, casual misogyny) that transfer to real life and actually makes people's lives crappier. No doubt people will claim they have enough self-awareness and maturity to avoid being influenced in this way, but in a world where many privileged white, straight males still think it's okay to tell jokes and display attitudes that marginalise more vulnerable people, this just isn't true.
 
Having said all that, this game is really just one more stream of piss in the sea. It's not more harmful than a lot of stuff that's out there - it's just more brazen about it.

You heard it here first, killing people is less offensive than rape.

You heard it here first, killing people is less offensive than rape.

lol 'battle raper' funny review he sez if these hentai games ever get translated into english we may just have to nuke em again... looks like an ahem intresting game lol!

I am guessing we are talking about the part in the quick look, it really isn't that bad

Nah, it's no worse than a lot of stuff out there. But neither is it particularly defensible.