Real Villain, 1/3 of Game Cut for Release: Details in Postmortem

#1 Posted by GERALTITUDE (2804 posts) -

I wasn't a huge fan of this game but I know lots in the GB community loved it, and I see there's still discussions going on about the ending, etc., so y'all may want to traipse over to Gamasutra and read the postmortem they put up on Halloween. There are lots of really interesting details about elements cut from the story and game and a whole schwack of concept art and design tests. For those of you still mulling over the ending you may be interested to know that the game's current ultimate antagonist was only promoted to the role when it was decided the final 1/3 of the story would just be impossible to incorporate before release.

It'd be pointless to paraphrase anymore, so check out the article here, and be prepared (again) to be fucking stunned by just how much work one man can accomplish when he has a dream.

#2 Posted by mabber36 (128 posts) -

that makes sense, I found the ending to be lacking.

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot, I found it very generic and predictable

#3 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4655 posts) -

@mabber36 said:

that makes sense, I found the ending to be lacking.

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot, I found it very generic and predictable

I am surprised by how much Patrick likes the story. I found it just kinda there with some poor writing and characters. The revelation near the end was somewhat interesting but I was hardly invested in it.

#4 Posted by GERALTITUDE (2804 posts) -

I get the sense Patrick had low expectations going in. Not in a mean way, just that he expected little to be there at all.

#5 Posted by Veektarius (4126 posts) -

To be a bit more mean about it, given most of the games that Patrick plays, any story at all is pretty unusual.

#6 Posted by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@mabber36 said:

that makes sense, I found the ending to be lacking.

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot, I found it very generic and predictable

Would you mind expanding on that? The only thing "generic", at least in my opinion, was Dust having amnesia at the beginning. The story managed to make it work great, though, so I don't see that as being a problem. I'm just curious to see what, specifically, was not engaging to you.

#7 Posted by Landon (4115 posts) -

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

@mabber36 said:

that makes sense, I found the ending to be lacking.

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot, I found it very generic and predictable

I am surprised by how much Patrick likes the story. I found it just kinda there with some poor writing and characters. The revelation near the end was somewhat interesting but I was hardly invested in it.

I found the story charming in a sort of above average 90's anime vibe, but yeah, I think Patrick was overselling the game just a bit.

#8 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

#9 Posted by PixelPrinny (1030 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm preeetty sure there is no actual porn in the game. So how it looks like furry porn is beyond me. Furry fanart, sure, but saying it looks like furry porn? Come on now, let's not sensationalize things and sound exactly like the kind of retard that Patrick was saying would immediately dismiss the game without a thought.

#10 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

@PixelPrinny said:

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm preeetty sure there is no actual porn in the game. So how it looks like furry porn is beyond me. Furry fanart, sure, but saying it looks like furry porn? Come on now, let's not sensationalize things and sound exactly like the kind of retard that Patrick was saying would immediately dismiss the game without a thought.

I've been on the internet for a long time.

Trust me, I've clicked enough bad links and ended up on enough weird websites to know what Devianart's personal brand of furry porn looks like.

#11 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4655 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@PixelPrinny said:

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm preeetty sure there is no actual porn in the game. So how it looks like furry porn is beyond me. Furry fanart, sure, but saying it looks like furry porn? Come on now, let's not sensationalize things and sound exactly like the kind of retard that Patrick was saying would immediately dismiss the game without a thought.

I've been on the internet for a long time.

Trust me, I've clicked enough bad links and ended up on enough weird websites to know what Devianart's personal brand of furry porn looks like.

That is on you for clicking such links and lingering on those sites. There is nothing about the game that suggests a pornographic tone. You are imposing that onto the game because of your limited understanding of the furry culture.

#12 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

@Terramagi said:

@PixelPrinny said:

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm preeetty sure there is no actual porn in the game. So how it looks like furry porn is beyond me. Furry fanart, sure, but saying it looks like furry porn? Come on now, let's not sensationalize things and sound exactly like the kind of retard that Patrick was saying would immediately dismiss the game without a thought.

I've been on the internet for a long time.

Trust me, I've clicked enough bad links and ended up on enough weird websites to know what Devianart's personal brand of furry porn looks like.

That is on you for clicking such links and lingering on those sites. There is nothing about the game that suggests a pornographic tone. You are imposing that onto the game because of your limited understanding of the furry culture.

No, see, here's the thing.

If furries would stop making so much goddamn porn (which is impossible, since it's a fandom defined by its love of porn), MAYBE I would be able to look at this game without retching every time that stupid orange surprisingly curved sprite appears on the screen.

Maybe it's a good game. I don't know, I can't play it without feeling ill.

#13 Posted by Hailinel (22670 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

@Terramagi said:

@PixelPrinny said:

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm preeetty sure there is no actual porn in the game. So how it looks like furry porn is beyond me. Furry fanart, sure, but saying it looks like furry porn? Come on now, let's not sensationalize things and sound exactly like the kind of retard that Patrick was saying would immediately dismiss the game without a thought.

I've been on the internet for a long time.

Trust me, I've clicked enough bad links and ended up on enough weird websites to know what Devianart's personal brand of furry porn looks like.

That is on you for clicking such links and lingering on those sites. There is nothing about the game that suggests a pornographic tone. You are imposing that onto the game because of your limited understanding of the furry culture.

No, see, here's the thing.

If furries would stop making so much goddamn porn (which is impossible, since it's a fandom defined by its love of porn), MAYBE I would be able to look at this game without retching every time that stupid orange surprisingly curved sprite appears on the screen.

Maybe it's a good game. I don't know, I can't play it without feeling ill.

The fandom is not defined by its love for furry porn any more than anime fans are defined by their love for tentacle porn. It's your limited perception that's the problem. If you go digging around deep enough, you'll find sexually focused weirdos in any fandom or subculture.

#14 Posted by Zippedbinders (980 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

@Terramagi said:

@PixelPrinny said:

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm preeetty sure there is no actual porn in the game. So how it looks like furry porn is beyond me. Furry fanart, sure, but saying it looks like furry porn? Come on now, let's not sensationalize things and sound exactly like the kind of retard that Patrick was saying would immediately dismiss the game without a thought.

I've been on the internet for a long time.

Trust me, I've clicked enough bad links and ended up on enough weird websites to know what Devianart's personal brand of furry porn looks like.

That is on you for clicking such links and lingering on those sites. There is nothing about the game that suggests a pornographic tone. You are imposing that onto the game because of your limited understanding of the furry culture.

No, see, here's the thing.

If furries would stop making so much goddamn porn (which is impossible, since it's a fandom defined by its love of porn), MAYBE I would be able to look at this game without retching every time that stupid orange surprisingly curved sprite appears on the screen.

Maybe it's a good game. I don't know, I can't play it without feeling ill.

Dust looks way more like Jazz Jackrabbit or a Don Bluth film than actual furry porn.

#15 Posted by oneidwille (146 posts) -

Totally derailed due to "furry porn". Awesome.

#16 Edited by ripelivejam (2772 posts) -

yay another shitstorm about this game, just what i'm looking for

e: most of you are fucking idiots btw

e part 2: ok i redact that it's only one guy who's an idiot. carry on.

#17 Posted by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

@Terramagi said:

@PixelPrinny said:

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm preeetty sure there is no actual porn in the game. So how it looks like furry porn is beyond me. Furry fanart, sure, but saying it looks like furry porn? Come on now, let's not sensationalize things and sound exactly like the kind of retard that Patrick was saying would immediately dismiss the game without a thought.

I've been on the internet for a long time.

Trust me, I've clicked enough bad links and ended up on enough weird websites to know what Devianart's personal brand of furry porn looks like.

That is on you for clicking such links and lingering on those sites. There is nothing about the game that suggests a pornographic tone. You are imposing that onto the game because of your limited understanding of the furry culture.

No, see, here's the thing.

If furries would stop making so much goddamn porn (which is impossible, since it's a fandom defined by its love of porn), MAYBE I would be able to look at this game without retching every time that stupid orange surprisingly curved sprite appears on the screen.

Maybe it's a good game. I don't know, I can't play it without feeling ill.

This link may interest you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation

Joking aside, though: You're taking a cutesy, flying cat-fox thing and conflating it into "furry porn". That's not the game's fault, the art direction's fault...it's only your fault. If you're looking at Fidget's body shape and saying "SEXUALIZED", YOU are the one sexualizing it. Irrationally, I might add, because that's not what it is.

I've been on the internet a long time as well, and the only time I've EVER seen furry porn is when I type "furry porn" into a search engine to see what everyone is always freaking out about. And you know what? I don't see what the big deal is. If certain people want to enjoy such a thing, then let them. But again, that's not what Dust: An Elysian Tail is.

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*Sigh* I really need to stop arguing about this.

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I really enjoyed Dean's postmortem on Gamasutra. I would love to hear some more details surrounding the 1/3 of the game that was cut out. I really enjoyed the world of Falana that he created, and any more detail about it would be great to hear. The biggest question I have is: why does General Gaius hate the Moonbloods as much as he does? Ginger explained it as "simply because they exist", which would imply a racially-charged hatred, but is that all? Did they do anything to harm him or his people? It's a really interesting topic that I hope future games/stories/movies will explain in greater detail someday.

#18 Edited by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

Joking aside, though: You're taking a cutesy, flying cat-fox thing and conflating it into "furry porn". That's not the game's fault, the art direction's fault...it's only your fault. If you're looking at Fidget's body shape and saying "SEXUALIZED", YOU are the one sexualizing it. Irrationally, I might add, because that's not what it is.

That thing is shaped like a goddamn hourglass. Every sprite there is has its bizarrely huge hips thrust out. Yeah, it doesn't ever turn into outright porn, but you are willfully ignorant if you think a childlike fox with the body design of a full grown woman isn't sexualized. Hell, its hips HAVE SHADING when NOTHING ELSE on its body does.

#19 Posted by JeanLuc (3518 posts) -

Cool read. Dust is probably one of my favorite games this year.

#20 Posted by Phatmac (5686 posts) -

Man fuck some of these people on this thread. The game is fucking amazing and i love it despite the art style. This game is great yet it'll always find its share of haters. You're better than this.

#21 Posted by BisonHero (5650 posts) -
@Terramagi To play devil's advocate, Fidget is some kind of spirit thing that doesn't wear clothes, which bars you from using skirts or other obvious feminine dress to make her gender clear. I guess you could give her hair like that of a human female, but that often looks really stupid. So giving her an obvious feminine figure could be read as trying to make it clear she is female since certain other cues are missing.
#22 Posted by MURDERSMASH (248 posts) -

@BisonHero said:

@Terramagi To play devil's advocate, Fidget is some kind of spirit thing that doesn't wear clothes, which bars you from using skirts or other obvious feminine dress to make her gender clear. I guess you could give her hair like that of a human female, but that often looks really stupid. So giving her an obvious feminine figure could be read as trying to make it clear she is female since certain other cues are missing.

That's a really good point. I never thought of it that way.

#23 Posted by AssInAss (2391 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

So furry porn isn't your thing, but from your Transformers' avatar smiling, I can see you're into some hardcore Transformers porn. I've got some good ones that'll make you combust all over your engine.

#24 Posted by mabber36 (128 posts) -

@MURDERSMASH: it just felt like lord of the rings with furries to me, with the lava and everything

#25 Posted by Vexxan (4598 posts) -

Really interesting to read, it's definitely one of my favorite games of the year and I think that people who talk about it being some 'furry porn' art really need to get their shit together.

#26 Posted by Rafaelfc (1278 posts) -

there is Simpsons porn on the internet!!! OMG CAN'T WATCH SIMPSONS ANYMORE...

seriously people grow the F up.

Dust is an amazing game, you can ignore it all you want, just stop complaining about it, whining gets old REAL fast.

#27 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4655 posts) -

@AssInAss said:

@Terramagi said:

@mabber36 said:

don't know why patrick was gushing about the plot

When the overwhelming response is "this game reminds me of Deviantart furry porn" (which it FUCKING DOES), you obviously have to gush about it lest you be associated with "these people".

So furry porn isn't your thing, but from your Transformers' avatar smiling, I can see you're into some hardcore Transformers porn. I've got some good ones that'll make you combust all over your engine.

He didn't played the game, but he knows it for a fact that it has helluv furry porn in it. It's a skill, man.

#28 Posted by laserbolts (5309 posts) -

It would be cool if he somehow put some dlc out for it or something. I loved Dust.

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