" @Make_Me_Mad said:

" @HandsomeDead:The argument you're looking for is in another thread. "

It probably is. I'll never understand yellow fever. "

" @Hailinel: I dint like the repetitionof the combat or the simple combo over n over "

I am new to the forum, actually i was looking for a forum that discussed the DW series. I am a fan of it and also of its historic period. Even bought the historical novel, amazing. I also beat the game in all four kingdoms, and I have to say its better that the previous Dw, way better. T 
 
Storyline wise they made it more acurate and in line with history(Battle of Xiapi, followed by the rebelion of Xu province, Lui beis story), adding levels thatt were found in Extreme Legends series, making it part of the mainstream of the story mode. (e.g.  Dian Wei's death trying to save Cao Cao from Zhang Xiu). I like the fact that DW story line and follow through made characters grow in you as you keep playing no matter who you personally support. However, they took out some of the fun battles from the storymode from some factions and I guess put them on conquest mode(e.g. The Nanman Rebellion, Jie Ting) Overall it was more of switching levels and then adding the Jin faction with all those new battles. 
 
Jin was a cool addition, being the faction that United the three kingdoms in the end. However, it needed more of the reality that the other factions recieved, for example, Sima Zhao was not a warrior, he was a strategist. Felt like Zhuge Liang fighitng personally a bunch of battles. Xiahou Ba was a waste of resource, he exist in history but I dont think he deserved a unique model. You dont use him in story mode at all(because historically he switches side  to Shu) , he changes sides almost at the begining so you dont even fight along side him, he just doesnt do anything rather than look cool in his armor. Also, Jin characters all die or betray one another, I am exagerating a little but it seemed they needed more LOYAL UNIQUE-looking characters. Zhong Hui's persona doesnt connect to history(since he betrays Wei at Shu's last moments because he was convinced by Jiang Wei to declare Shu's independence) Deng Ai dies because of Zhong Hui' slander ( he was assasinated).This doesnt happen in the game however, these 2 , Sima Zhao and Wang Yuan Ji are all that are left at the end game. 
 
The rest of Jin characters: 
Sima Yi, dies after 3 battles, 
 Guo Hai also dies half the story 
Xiahou Ba betrays Jin and joins Shu ,early begining. 
Zhuge Dan, you play as him once then, you have to kill him becaus he rebels on the Sima clan. 
Sima Shi dies after using him like 3 times. 
 Wang Yuan Ji, wasnt a strong character in all sense of the word. 
 
My point is, as cool and exciting this was to add another faction it seemed like a waste of resource to make this unique character of people you barely use or see. From all of them I think, Yuan ji, Ba and Dan where a waste of time to create them ,a generic model for them would have been enough or at least give them more battles and usefulness. 
 
These same symptoms were found in Wei, Shu and Wu. 
 
Wei: 
 
Cai Wengi ( I dont know what to say about her, Cao Caos favorite but so what?)
Zheng Ji ( prior DWs she had a major role, now , just a pretty girl Cao Pi found.
Xu Huang( this guys is in many historical battles) 
 
Shu: 
 
Bao Sanniang ( I was excited about this one, intrigued,later found out she was just Guan Suo's girlfriend...and.? make her Useful)
Ma chao ( YOu cant use THE SPLENDID in STORY MODE!?) 
Ma dai( Paint brush guy, pretty cool though) 
Lui Shan (Post Shu, Never used him, however he didnt fight historically...at all)
Yue Ying( the invention genius, never used in story mode, she was present in many battles, but yeah there it is) 
 
Wu: 
 
Lian Shi( You never use her in story mode, she uses a cross bow and really has'nt  a significant role) 
Ding Feng ( cool character concept, but not useable and doesnt have a rol in Wu other than to be an active pain when you are doing Jin's Story mode) 
The 2 Qiao's( yeah same thing there) 
 
 
 
With the rest of the factions, the 3 original ones, They took out mayor players out of play and well, the new faces didnt get much attention either. Yeah you can play them in conquest but whats the fun in that? The npcs dont recognize you as the character but rather  a mighty warrior. 
 
The weapon system is nice, it adds to combo by switching weapons and gives you the opportunity of wielding any weapon you want. PLus, its gives you a specialty bonus for the weapons that are originally wielded by the character. 
 
The look of the game 
 
It reminded me of Ken's fist, mind you I think that game was garbage. Repetitive as it can get. 
 
The whole rotating camera thing that happens in Ken's Fist before going to battle, the lighting and the "buffiness" of characters ( I mean Lui Bei, come on!) gave away that Ken's Fist was a test or maybe Koei's new style. I liked it but yeah it reminded me of that game. Looks improved, sharper and detailed models and textures. Great lighting, some minor flickering in some small areas. 
  
Overall the game  is...a movie. They made it well in the sense of the flow of each factions Story....except Jin. All three factions were made very personal in their own ideals, Jin just was just like mocking  the rest because they historically were the ones that united China, but in the game its seems  that way, they dont have mature characters, Sima Yi , Guo Hai and Deng Ai were the only ones. Historically , I bet that the other Jin Characters had a more mature 'persona'. 
 
Thats just me though, I have more  feed back but... I think is enough for now. The game has improved but it should have improved for the last time. Some thing that says ITS DONE, the story is nostalgic, specially at Jin's end when they close the act , but... there it is

Thanks man I'll check it out now! Me and my friend used to play one of the DWs games for hours in multiplayer. It was really good fun. I glad I now have a good excuse to go and play the series again!

Argh, once again my curiosity in the franchise is piqued. I must admit that I am one of those people that sees it as little more than, "All you do is kill a bajillion people by mashing attack over and over again" and I've been disappointed by my romps into the franchise, though I would also say that of Strider or Moon Diver, as well, so it's not an opinion I hold exclusively towards DW. I kinda just want a new Romance of the Three Kingdoms game, but I'm not really sure that sorta strategy game would hold up these days... I miss Aerobiz... and Gemfire.... *sniffles* 
 
But it's good to see that you do get a lot of enjoyment out of it and that the series is making improvements to its formula. If I find a copy of 5 or 6 on the cheap, I may pick them up and give the franchise another chance.. I do like the story that the franchise loosely bases itself around (Destiny of an Emperor is still one of my all-time fave RPGs) and who knows, maybe I'll find the newer games to be more appealing than the older ones I tried and didn't care for.

Wei Yan was  a Shu general who's skill was that of the 5 generals of Shu.

I actually do not like the new name pronunciations.
Cao Cao ((tso tso)) I like, but Sun Ce being "Soon Ha" instead of "Soon Say" does not sound good.

" I actually do not like the new name pronunciations. Cao Cao ((tso tso)) I like, but Sun Ce being "Soon Ha" instead of "Soon Say" does not sound good. "

What's the difference between the Renbo combat system and the 'old tried and true'?

" @Hailinel said:

" @Enigma777 said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Enigma777 said:

" The best? That's not really saying much... "

I said more in that blog post in support of my position than you have in yours. "

You sure did. "

Either you're obtuse, or going out of your way to be a jackass.  Not sure which.  You probably can't even defend your position beyond "lol Dynasty Warriors lol," so shut up.  Enough of that gets slung already. "

My problem is that they've got a game called Dynasty Warriors, a country with a long and storied history of war, and yet they've made 7 (well even more than that, really) games about the same fucking novel. 
 
I know the story doesn't really matter much, it's about the combat, but it's getting almost comedic at this point. That's why whenever I feel like playing one of these games, I'll wait for the next Samurai/Gundam/Whatever spin-off they're doing and give that a shot.  
 
What is it about the generals that make them tougher now anyway? I usually just shoved them in a corner and juggled them about till they died. AI improvements would make the games a lot better, but next up is having the enemy troops do something other than surround you and break your combo once every five minutes.   
 
The last DW game I truly took seriously was 4, 5 was weird with the individual characters story mode instead of just picking a kingdom. I was more into custom characters anyway, they were kinda fun to mess with. But everytime I see one of these games, I feel like I'm brought back into 2003. Koei is such a laaaazy developer. There's a reason DW games are kind of a joke in the gaming world. 

<--- never played a single DW game EVER. 
 
this could pop my cherry. The achievements for DW7 looks fun to do.

" My problem is that they've got a game called Dynasty Warriors, a country with a long and storied history of war, and yet they've made 7 (well even more than that, really) games about the same fucking novel.  I know the story doesn't really matter much, it's about the combat, but it's getting almost comedic at this point. That's why whenever I feel like playing one of these games, I'll wait for the next Samurai/Gundam/Whatever spin-off they're doing and give that a shot.   What is it about the generals that make them tougher now anyway? I usually just shoved them in a corner and juggled them about till they died. AI improvements would make the games a lot better, but next up is having the enemy troops do something other than surround you and break your combo once every five minutes.    The last DW game I truly took seriously was 4, 5 was weird with the individual characters story mode instead of just picking a kingdom. I was more into custom characters anyway, they were kinda fun to mess with. But everytime I see one of these games, I feel like I'm brought back into 2003. Koei is such a laaaazy developer. There's a reason DW games are kind of a joke in the gaming world.  "

" @Gabriel said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Enigma777 said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Enigma777 said:

" The best? That's not really saying much... "

I said more in that blog post in support of my position than you have in yours. "

You sure did. "

Either you're obtuse, or going out of your way to be a jackass.  Not sure which.  You probably can't even defend your position beyond "lol Dynasty Warriors lol," so shut up.  Enough of that gets slung already. "

Whenever anyone says anything to this guy he gets butt hurt about everything and responds so angrily at everything.....that's a fucked up way of handling yourself on a forum. Leads to these threads everytime :( "

" What's the difference between the Renbo combat system and the 'old tried and true'? "

" @XII_Sniper said:

" My problem is that they've got a game called Dynasty Warriors, a country with a long and storied history of war, and yet they've made 7 (well even more than that, really) games about the same fucking novel.  I know the story doesn't really matter much, it's about the combat, but it's getting almost comedic at this point. That's why whenever I feel like playing one of these games, I'll wait for the next Samurai/Gundam/Whatever spin-off they're doing and give that a shot.   What is it about the generals that make them tougher now anyway? I usually just shoved them in a corner and juggled them about till they died. AI improvements would make the games a lot better, but next up is having the enemy troops do something other than surround you and break your combo once every five minutes.    The last DW game I truly took seriously was 4, 5 was weird with the individual characters story mode instead of just picking a kingdom. I was more into custom characters anyway, they were kinda fun to mess with. But everytime I see one of these games, I feel like I'm brought back into 2003. Koei is such a laaaazy developer. There's a reason DW games are kind of a joke in the gaming world.  "

K. But. They reinvision a good chunk of the cast each time, and make different levels each time, and make different cutscenes each time. So basically, you're saying you want a new story in your videogame which is fucking silly brosef. "

" Dynasty Warriors 7 is the best Dynasty Warriors ", yeah but that's not saying much....

" @kingzetta said:

" I actually do not like the new name pronunciations. Cao Cao ((tso tso)) I like, but Sun Ce being "Soon Ha" instead of "Soon Say" does not sound good. "

Well, it's the correct pronunciation, so hey. "

" @XII_Sniper said:

" My problem is that they've got a game called Dynasty Warriors, a country with a long and storied history of war, and yet they've made 7 (well even more than that, really) games about the same fucking novel.  I know the story doesn't really matter much, it's about the combat, but it's getting almost comedic at this point. That's why whenever I feel like playing one of these games, I'll wait for the next Samurai/Gundam/Whatever spin-off they're doing and give that a shot.   What is it about the generals that make them tougher now anyway? I usually just shoved them in a corner and juggled them about till they died. AI improvements would make the games a lot better, but next up is having the enemy troops do something other than surround you and break your combo once every five minutes.    The last DW game I truly took seriously was 4, 5 was weird with the individual characters story mode instead of just picking a kingdom. I was more into custom characters anyway, they were kinda fun to mess with. But everytime I see one of these games, I feel like I'm brought back into 2003. Koei is such a laaaazy developer. There's a reason DW games are kind of a joke in the gaming world.  "

K. But. They reinvision a good chunk of the cast each time, and make different levels each time, and make different cutscenes each time. So basically, you're saying you want a new story in your videogame which is fucking silly brosef. "

You mean they actually say tsao tsao instead of cow cow?  I'm stunned. I always wondered in the back of my mind if they weren't just mispronouncing them on purpose, to add to the cheese factor.  That's heartening.
 
Then again, when it was an option I just switched the language to the Japanese version so I didn't have to hear the same lines over and over again (and understand them. There's a perceived interference factor when it's a language you mostly don't know).
 
What I remember liking from any DW game I played was following one character's story, even if it was short, but I like that they have the characters' actual roles in the story rather than inserting them in places where it doesn't make sense. I'm not sure what I would like the most, but I'm happy to see a long time vet of the series is happy with this one.
 
Do you still have to juggle to get decent items?

" You mean they actually say tsao tsao instead of cow cow?  I'm stunned. I always wondered in the back of my mind if they weren't just mispronouncing them on purpose, to add to the cheese factor.  That's heartening.  Then again, when it was an option I just switched the language to the Japanese version so I didn't have to hear the same lines over and over again (and understand them. There's a perceived interference factor when it's a language you mostly don't know).  What I remember liking from any DW game I played was following one character's story, even if it was short, but I like that they have the characters' actual roles in the story rather than inserting them in places where it doesn't make sense. I'm not sure what I would like the most, but I'm happy to see a long time vet of the series is happy with this one.  Do you still have to juggle to get decent items? "

Are there sick shredding guitars? That's all I care about.

Fuck yes.  I finished the Jin storyline tonight, and I believe I've earned all trophies specifically associated with that mode.  Everything I have left to do in the game is related to Conquest Mode.

You couldn't be more right. They've pulled out all the steps to make this a crazily compelling package and I can't put it down. It's not just the best in the series, it's legitimately one of the best action games I've played in years. So much fun, so well done. 

" You couldn't be more right. They've pulled out all the steps to make this a crazily compelling package and I can't put it down. It's not just the best in the series, it's legitimately one of the best action games I've played in years. So much fun, so well done.  "

I think this game finished winning me over once I got a bear to ride.  Cao Ren has never decimated soldiers with more style.

" I think this game finished winning me over once I got a bear to ride.  Cao Ren has never decimated soldiers with more style. "

" @Hailinel: I'm already working on one. I've been using Xing Cai for a while now but I think I might end up playing both her and Zhen Ji. I really like her attacks. I've finished the Shu storyline (which was amazing) and I've started the Wei storyline earlier today. They've made the Story mode so much more dynamic and fun to watch and play. It has the best cast of characters and the presentation for the stories is second to none. Argh. What am I doing typing this, I should be playing. "

" @Make_Me_Mad said:

" I think this game finished winning me over once I got a bear to ride.  Cao Ren has never decimated soldiers with more style. "

Red Hare is where it's at.

"Yo, check me out.  I'm on a huge horse.  Also, the horse's mane and tale are fire." "

" @Hailinel said:

" @Make_Me_Mad said:

" I think this game finished winning me over once I got a bear to ride.  Cao Ren has never decimated soldiers with more style. "

Red Hare is where it's at.

"Yo, check me out.  I'm on a huge horse.  Also, the horse's mane and tale are fire." "

We're all excited about how awesome Red Hare looks, but even turning him into a Rapidash isn't going to make me stop riding a bear for long.  He does look pretty effin sweet, though.I have to say, a lot of the designs in this game are just flat out great looking.  Slap a faceplate on Cao Ren and he'd look right at home in War for Cybertron!  I love the less realistic, more fantastic approach to their telling of events in this one. "

Whoa.  Just discovered that Cai Wenji's default musou attack has the side benefit of restoring health to allies.  Sweet.