EPIC Games was once known for pushing PC gamers to their limits, and giving them games that no one else at the time could counter with.  Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss, and they even gave discounts to us idiots who bought UT2k3.   
 
However, after the Xbox 360's Gears of War, it's like EPIC gave the finger to PC gamers.  Some might debate that Gears is better than UT, but they are idiots who are handicapped so their voices are kinda moot.   
 
EPIC gave PC gamers UT3, instead of the proper UT2k7...and we all know what happened to the UT franchise now.   
 
So, just wondering if people prefer the EPIC Games of Pre-Xbox 360 or Post-Xbox 360.  I think I already hold a bias, but I'll be interested to know why people prefer the new EPIC Games.  

As a console gamer who loves Gears of War, I'd have to say post-360.  
 
Also, didn't they publish Shadow Complex? That game was pretty slick. 

Didn't care about anything Epic related until Gears of War so post-360.

pre-360 thats only because I'm living in the past and still play pc games predominantly 

"  Some might debate that Gears is better than UT, but they are idiots who are handicapped so their voices are kinda moot. "

Pre-Xbox360. While GeoW1 struck my heart with everlasting nostalgia (it was my first 360 game, shaddap), nothing will ever be as good at UT04 or '99. They had crap loads of game modes and maps, and tons of mods that made the games last for years. The Gears of War franchise, and the limited hardware it's burdened with, will never be as amazing as a PC game like UT04.

post xbox 360, but if i vote that my opinion is moot right?  
 
TC thinks PC gamers are the master race............GO!!!!!!!!!

I personally enjoyed both the Gears of War games despite there flaws, and they published both Shadow Complex and upcoming Bulletstorm which seems like stupid fun. Thats a pretty damn good track record, id go with post-360.

Epic was making games long before unreal came out. but Epic hasn't been making anything but shooters since unreal was released. Whatever happened to Jazz Jackrabbit? As much as I want a proper sequel to UT2K4 a new Jazz game would be much better since its unlike anything they have been making lately.

I prefer Gears to quake or unreal, but I don't really like Gears that much either.  Epic has never really made a game I love.

" I think I already hold a bias, but I'll be interested to know why people prefer the new EPIC Games.   "

Well since I enjoy Gears more than Unreal I say Post-360.

" @SadPatrol: It's also their attitude.  EPIC charing for maps and shit, they would NEVER do this if they stuck with PC.  Valve and Blizzard are staying true to the foundations, and never lost faith in the PC community.  PC gamers MADE EPIC what they are today, not the other way around. "

Post 360. I never cared for the UT franchise, and while I don't care much about GoW either, I prefer them.

two words: jazz jackrabbit

Don't care, as long as the games are fun.

I think UT3 was more fun to play then any of the Gears games but I am also new to the PC crowd and am not familiar with EPIC's earlier games.
 
I'm not gonna say which I think is better though, because in the end I just don't care enough to make the choice.

i still play ut2004 occasionally so pre-360. i did actually enjoy the multiplayer components of gears of war 1 + 2, but ut2004 > gears of war.

I blame Epic's heavy influence on post-apocalyptic shooters in the US market on them, so can I pick neither?

I played some GOW 2 again the other day and remembered how amazing that game is.  Post 360.

" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "

" Didn't care about anything Epic related until Gears of War so post-360. "

" @KaosAngel said:

" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "

Your comments here really highlight everything that's wrong with gaming to me.  Honestly, does it make such a difference what you're playing games on?  Why don't you just enjoy playing them, without worrying what platform they're on and who's "betrayed" who to bring it out on such and such..  
 
Do you hate franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy for turning their backs on the systems that originally made them popular?  Or are they okay in your eyes because they're now on a Playstation system?  Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care about these things.  I also find it mildly amusing that you consider yourself a "neutral" gamer. "

" @KaosAngel said:

" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "

Your comments here really highlight everything that's wrong with gaming to me.  Honestly, does it make such a difference what you're playing games on?  Why don't you just enjoy playing them, without worrying what platform they're on and who's "betrayed" who to bring it out on such and such..  
 
Do you hate franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy for turning their backs on the systems that originally made them popular?  Or are they okay in your eyes because they're now on a Playstation system?  Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care about these things.  I also find it mildly amusing that you consider yourself a "neutral" gamer. "

" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "

Post-360. I never really got into UT.

" @KaosAngel said:

" @SadPatrol: PC gamers made EPIC what they are today!  EPIC would not even have the name they have without Unreal!  UT sold like fucking shit on the Xbox, and EPIC just gives the finger after MS gives them cash.    Without Jazz Jackrabbit, Unreal, and the fanbase of PC gamers...EPIC wouldn't have made Gears of War. "

Your comments here really highlight everything that's wrong with gaming to me.  Honestly, does it make such a difference what you're playing games on?  Why don't you just enjoy playing them, without worrying what platform they're on and who's "betrayed" who to bring it out on such and such..  
 
Do you hate franchises like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy for turning their backs on the systems that originally made them popular?  Or are they okay in your eyes because they're now on a Playstation system?  Sometimes I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care about these things.  I also find it mildly amusing that you consider yourself a "neutral" gamer. "

I'm pretty sure that the success of Gears made Epic what they are today, not PC Gamers... if there was no Gears they would probably be the same Epic you loved when they were doing PC stuff. Therefore, Gears led them to be what they are now. 
 
And since when was your name green, Kaos!

UT2k44L.

Platforms are dependent on the publisher. And you can't afford to develop big blockbuster games like Gears without publisher backing. It's not a case of Epic letting down PC gamers, it's Microsoft. And you can't blame Epic for jumping at the opportunity to have their new, unproven franchise funded for a number of years.

I played Unreal Tournament once. That was fun.
 
So I guess, Pre-360 EPIC it is.

This arguement can be made for a lot of the best developers. As for Epic, I don't really care for GoW or Unreal.  They'd may as well just stick to tech as far as i'm concerned.
 
Though i'd love to see where Bethesda and Dice would be at, if PC was still the main platform. Imagine what kind of Battlefield we could be playing if it wasn't held back by the consoles.
 
At the end of the day though, their buisnesses that have to make money and PC gamers seem contempt on killing their own platform with piracy and the like. Also, it's the publishers who decide which platforms the game come out on, it's their investment afterall.

" Dice would be at, if PC was still the main platform. "

Pre-360.

I will never understand these black and white arguments.
This whole "for us or against us" mentality is naive.
 
"We made Epic what they are today and then they turned their back on us".
Pffft, gamer please. Epic made Epic what they are today and you're fooling yourselves if you think you deserve any of the credit.

I've never played a pre-360 EPIC game.

"Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss..                                         "

" @KaosAngel said:

"Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss..                                         "

? "

I simply cannot fathom the type of person who would prefer Gears to Unreal.
 
I mean, Gears is ALRIGHT, but it doesn't come anywhere close to any of the Unreal Tournament games.   At all.
 
Pre-360 Epic all the way.  Not because of platform loyalty, but simply because Gears multiplayer is absolutely atrocious when compared to the mastery of UT2k4.

Pre-360. 
Jazz Jackrabbit and the original Unreal/Unreal Tournament were fucking rad.

There is no better Science Fiction Team Based Multiplayer game than UT2k4.  Lots of contenders to the crown, but nobody has made a better, more dynamic MP experience than what is on offer in 2k4.  The only game that comes close is Battlefield Bad Company 2 and it's a lot more serious overall.  Remember console gamers, almost all of your MP features have a direct lineage from UT2k4 and Unreal.  Things like co-op, matchmaking and Firefight/Survival were all part of Unreal andUT2K4.  EPIC pre XBOX 360 lead the way in terms of gaming innovation and refinement, post 360 they lead the way in frat boy douchebaggery with Cliffy B as their feareless midget tryhard WEADER.
 
yeah, I hate Cliffy B.

A lot of people in this thread bitching about Unreal Tournament. I wonder if any of them ever stopped to think that people in a creative medium often get tired of doing the same old shit in one continuous loop.  
 
Probably not.

" A lot of people in this thread bitching about Unreal Tournament. I wonder if any of them ever stopped to think that people in a creative medium often get tired of doing the same old shit in one continuous loop.   Probably not. "

" @KingWilly said:

" A lot of people in this thread bitching about Unreal Tournament. I wonder if any of them ever stopped to think that people in a creative medium often get tired of doing the same old shit in one continuous loop.   Probably not. "

I'm sorry, does that automatically qualify Gears of War as being better than Unreal Tournament?  No, it doesn't.  The intentions behind the change are irrelevant.  People in this thread aren't complaining that there is no more Unreal Tournament, but that Gears of War is nowhere near as good. "

" @emem said:

" @KaosAngel said:

"Unreal took over Id's Quake like a fucking boss..                                         "

? "

....are you seriously implying that Quake was better than UT?   "

They are making games where the money is.
 
On Topic:  I really look them pre and post.