Not only is this an amazing and fascinating story, but probably the most well thought out scam in mmo history.
This is a very long read but I would highly recommend that you read it all, the article/blog is a very well written and interesting story that I fucking loved, hope you enjoy it also.
http://www.wirm.net/nightfreeze/part1.html
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Btw this is where he got his guilds name from,
EVE Online
Game » consists of 3 releases. Released May 06, 2003
EVE Online is a loosely structured science fiction MMORPG published by CCP Games in which players take on the role of a spaceship pilot exploring a colonized galaxy.
Greatest scam in mmo history.
No kidding, this is a very, very long read. I'm tempted to print it so it'll be easier to read. Hmm...
Man, thats banana's. On one hand it makes me want to play EVE just to see what its like, but on the other it makes me want to stare at it from a far distance, lest I get too close to the waaaaaaay too realistic gameplay stuff (flying somewhere for 5 hours? God damn) and the super heavily invested players and asshole trolls.
A+, would read again, though his isn't big as these
200 billion isk's: http://eve-scams.blogspot.com/2009/07/ebank-scam-omg.html
and this amazing one for 700 billion isk's : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Eve-Online-Economy-Suffers-700-billion-ISK-Scam-33737.shtml
Eve online seems like a scary, scary place.
Eve by all rights should be everything you could hope for in a space faring MMO. Unfortunately, it's just not, it doesnt 'feel' right and it's way too open to scamming. Now, scamming like this I totally support. But scamming like opening contracts with ridiculously high collateral and sending them to a locked starbase so the guy can't complete the transaction and you get to keep the collateral. Bullshit. When you combine that with the fact people can simply run off with your items, also bullshit.
Now, I don't mind the ability to do those things, but its all people do, so essentially a large portion of the game is unusable, not because you 'might' get scammed, but because you will get scammed.
Wow, I don't think I've ever read an online story that long, but it was totally worth it. Great writing style, always kept me interested... Some moments really had a grip on my emotions, which worries me, because I wasn't even aware that I had any of those. I also really want to start playing EVE now.
Thanks for the link.
Good story, A little too long tho.
And its further proof that the EVE crowd is crazy. They all sound like stereotypical computer geeks with huge egos.
I've seen a lot about Eve Online scams. From what I understand, they aren't encouraged but aren't discouraged either by the community and/or staff. Any Eve gamers confirm that? Anyway - here is the one I heard about, 700 billion ISK (ISK = the in game currency from what I understand) Not sure if this is the same story from the op, don't have time to read that right now!
http://mmorpg.qj.net/Biggest-scam-in-EVE-Online-history/pg/49/aid/62826
Here is the video of the dude that supposedly organized the thing, confessing:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1993624284569945666
" Eve by all rights should be everything you could hope for in a space faring MMO. Unfortunately, it's just not, it doesnt 'feel' right and it's way too open to scamming. Now, scamming like this I totally support. But scamming like opening contracts with ridiculously high collateral and sending them to a locked starbase so the guy can't complete the transaction and you get to keep the collateral. Bullshit. When you combine that with the fact people can simply run off with your items, also bullshit. Now, I don't mind the ability to do those things, but its all people do, so essentially a large portion of the game is unusable, not because you 'might' get scammed, but because you will get scammed. "No, its not. Its the way games like this should be for those that want this type of thing. If someone is going to get into any mmo completely hardcore, something like EVE, where casual players really don't exist in it, having the staff completely let this stuff happen is the best possible outcome for that kind of shit. If I could kill a player and take all their money on WoW, or scam them somehow and not have Blizz care a single bit, I would genuinely still love that game. MMo's got extremely carebear for a long time though now, so hearing EVE stories again, one that has always been one of the greats and lets this stuff happen, is really refreshing.
" @The_A_Drain said:" Eve by all rights should be everything you could hope for in a space faring MMO. Unfortunately, it's just not, it doesnt 'feel' right and it's way too open to scamming. Now, scamming like this I totally support. But scamming like opening contracts with ridiculously high collateral and sending them to a locked starbase so the guy can't complete the transaction and you get to keep the collateral. Bullshit. When you combine that with the fact people can simply run off with your items, also bullshit. Now, I don't mind the ability to do those things, but its all people do, so essentially a large portion of the game is unusable, not because you 'might' get scammed, but because you will get scammed. "No, its not. Its the way games like this should be for those that want this type of thing. If someone is going to get into any mmo completely hardcore, something like EVE, where casual players really don't exist in it, having the staff completely let this stuff happen is the best possible outcome for that kind of shit. If I could kill a player and take all their money on WoW, or scam them somehow and not have Blizz care a single bit, I would genuinely still love that game. MMo's got extremely carebear for a long time though now, so hearing EVE stories again, one that has always been one of the greats and lets this stuff happen, is really refreshing. "
I don't think you understood my post, i'm agreeing with you, but i'm arguing that certain bad design decisions on the developers part make aspects of the game completely useless.
The contract functionality for example, especially for ferrying goods, is completely useless, it does nothing whatsoever. Having the ability, the means, and the encouragement to scam people is fine, I support that fully, but when that becomes the sole purpose of the game, it's lost all meaning. You have to maintain a balance, and when near enough 100% of contracts are scams, something went horribly wrong and the feature becomes next to useless, because there is no risk, not thought, no 'game'. If there was a geniune risk either way of getting a legit, or a scam contract, i'd support that, but as it stands certain aspects of the Eve universe are almost 100% guaranteed to be scams, hence you simply do not use them.
That's not what anybody wants. People who want to scam want these systems to work properly because it means more people to potentially scam, and people who don't want to be scammed want these systems to work properly because it means they can engage in a little risk and maybe get scammed, instead of being guaranteed to get scammed.
Bad design is not refreshing, that just stupid. I get where you are coming from, and I completely agree, you are arguing a totally different point to mine though. I'm simply arguing that some better design of these systems would enable legitimate trade instead of just favoring scammers. You need both legitimate trade, and potential scams in order for the system to function as intended, having solely one or the other is just as bullshit, I don't run in for this whole 'carebear' bullshit, after all it's up to developers how they run their MMOs. Eve's developers have made there intentions clear, and that's fine, I really like the ability to act however you like, but when the game design favors scamming over legitimate trade, you have a problem because people simply stop using the system, it becomes dead, rather than thriving with both kinds of activity like it was intended.
Haha, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, I know now to stay a few feet back from Eve, looks like a ton of fun but you might just pay a heavy toll for fucking with the wrong people.
If I could get the rights to that story, I would totally make a lengthy short about it. What a great story, I would love to read more from that writer, he's got a great sense of humour and isn't afraid to poke fun at himself.
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I don't fully understand why he scammed HardHead though, nor why he poured salt on the wound afterwards. I guess he got his come-uppance though.
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Wow..I have serious tunnel vision now, but that was a good read. I think that the part that made me smile most was just thinking about the poor librarians who had to deal with that god-damn phone for possibly months on end, and the poor people who would actually pick the phone up only to get this irate wheezing fat-ass screaming at the top of his lungs into their ear. I wasn't aware how emotionally attached I could become to a narrator so quickly either...I mean looking back that guy was a scumbag, yet his charm caught hold of me. Again, good read.
" I've seen a lot about Eve Online scams. From what I understand, they aren't encouraged but aren't discouraged either by the community and/or staff. Any Eve gamers confirm that? "
That is quite correct. There are the typical scams A_Drain refers to, contract scamming etc, although those are really the small fish as far as scams go, a couple billion here and there (this story is from early eve times, before a lot of the inflation. A 400M ISK scam wouldn't even make a forums post anymore, its worth approx $15-20 USD).
Basically, anything you can do that has not been declared a direct exploit can be used(in-game means only, hacking someones account for example is not allowed or condoned and will earn you a ban and possibly more). There are Multitudes of contract scammers, and as such, contract scams are less successful than they were. As the game grows, more and more of the social engineering aspect comes into play. A great example was the fall of one of the larger alliances early this year, in which they were dismantled nearly overnight by a single person (possibly) mistakenly given too much power over the alliance. He basically disbanded them after either being flipped or just disgruntled with the alliance.
One of the hooks of eve is the sandbox, and the 'butterfly effect' trailer demonstrates some of that quite nicely. Its very much a kill or be killed type MMO, and the friends you make/dont make can mean a world of difference in how you play.
" @pureguava76 said:I don't think I'd ever want to play that game." I've seen a lot about Eve Online scams. From what I understand, they aren't encouraged but aren't discouraged either by the community and/or staff. Any Eve gamers confirm that? "That is quite correct. There are the typical scams A_Drain refers to, contract scamming etc, although those are really the small fish as far as scams go, a couple billion here and there (this story is from early eve times, before a lot of the inflation. A 400M ISK scam wouldn't even make a forums post anymore, its worth approx $15-20 USD). Basically, anything you can do that has not been declared a direct exploit can be used(in-game means only, hacking someones account for example is not allowed or condoned and will earn you a ban and possibly more). There are Multitudes of contract scammers, and as such, contract scams are less successful than they were. As the game grows, more and more of the social engineering aspect comes into play. A great example was the fall of one of the larger alliances early this year, in which they were dismantled nearly overnight by a single person (possibly) mistakenly given too much power over the alliance. He basically disbanded them after either being flipped or just disgruntled with the alliance. One of the hooks of eve is the sandbox, and the 'butterfly effect' trailer demonstrates some of that quite nicely. Its very much a kill or be killed type MMO, and the friends you make/dont make can mean a world of difference in how you play. "
That was one of the most awesome things I've ever read, so entertaining and funny, I love the guys sence of humour. Incredible, how he acheived that.
Thanks for the upload Bucketdeath. :D
Just finished reading the whole thing. Holy shit, this guy really had me gripped. Loved that he had the Thoggins guy stuck constantly calling the library phone, yet was sad when he broke the news to HardHead that he scammed them all.
But an excellent read over all, definetely.
Just read the whole thing and it was excellent. You never hear about the who, why, and how about scams. I never realized how much planning and luck it takes to pull a scam of that caliber. The ending was amazing. I wish I could have seen the look on that Frostssss face.
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