Fez 2 cancelled because Phil Fish threw a tamper tantrum.

#1 Edited by kishinfoulux (2276 posts) -

And here's a bit of the exchange that led to these events.

We all know he'll uncancel the game when his little fit is over with, but this is just hilarious to me. The battle of two jack asses (Marcus and Fish). Whoever wins...we lose. And people defend this guy.

#2 Edited by connerthekewlkid (1817 posts) -

Is this really happening?

#3 Posted by Captain_Felafel (1561 posts) -

I'm really afraid this is all going to end with Fish committing suicide or something. Dude can be brash and opinionated, but dude gets attacked a lot.

#4 Edited by JouselDelka (967 posts) -

that dude need to relax

Dude can be brash and opinionated, but dude gets attacked a lot.

Out of curiosity, what does he get attacked about? Isn't he some lone wolf dude who made one sidescrolling puzzler in his career? How and why exactly is such a person subject to attacks?

If this was a big time AAA developer with angry fans or disgusted journalists, it would make more sense.

#5 Edited by Itwastuesday (955 posts) -

@captain_felafel said:

I'm really afraid this is all going to end with Fish committing suicide or something. Dude can be brash and opinionated, but dude gets attacked a lot.

Yeah. This OP doesn't really go into the root cause of this whole thing, which was a Gametrailers video in which Marcus Beer (the "Annoyed Gamer"... I'll let you figure out his shtick) called Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow "fucking hipsters" because they didn't give interviews to every outlet. In fact, this OP doesn't go into much at all!

#6 Posted by Metal_Mills (2986 posts) -

He might make a good game but he needs to grow up. It's like he's not all mentally there sometimes, jesus.

#7 Edited by lockwoodx (2479 posts) -

Personally I love Phil. He's a straight shooter with too much talent than any one personal can handle on their own which causes him no end of stress from everyone else pressuring him to deliver.

#8 Posted by ArtelinaRose (1850 posts) -

I'm really afraid this is all going to end with Fish committing suicide or something. Dude can be brash and opinionated, but dude gets attacked a lot.

This is probably kinda messed up but I have a soft spot for tragic suicides, so it would leave me feeling good about him in a sad way.

#9 Posted by Deranged (1837 posts) -

O_O

#10 Posted by jimmyfenix (3851 posts) -

WHAT

THE

FUCK

#11 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4337 posts) -

I'll wait for someone to write up something on what the fuck just happened there. I hate trying to sift through twitter drama because the whole story is never out in the open.

#12 Posted by Mystyr_E (1190 posts) -

which is weird cause I was considering buying Fez off steam but was always like "yeah but do I want to give money to this asshole?" and uh....yeah

#13 Posted by bigjeffrey (4904 posts) -

Fuck Video Games

I think he figured it out.

#14 Edited by BazookaXp (17 posts) -

@itwastuesday said:

@captain_felafel said:

I'm really afraid this is all going to end with Fish committing suicide or something. Dude can be brash and opinionated, but dude gets attacked a lot.

Yeah. This OP doesn't really go into the root cause of this whole thing, which was a Gametrailers video in which Marcus Beer (the "Annoyed Gamer"... I'll let you figure out his shtick) called Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow "fucking hipsters" because they didn't give interviews to every outlet. In fact, this OP doesn't go into much at all!

You need to rewatch the video, Marcus was saying that Johnathan Blow and Phil Fish shouldn't get mad because outlets want their opinions and that they should respect the fact that these outlets care about what they say.

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#15 Edited by Oldirtybearon (4664 posts) -

Go Phil. Dude's a rock star in terms of personality. He's brutally honest and sometimes he can be an asshole for it. He's lucky enough to be in a position to where he doesn't have to take shit from some surly Brit who often goes off half-cocked on anything and everything.

Maybe this is a tantrum, maybe he's really done with games. I wouldn't blame him considering the amount of shit he gets for opening his mouth.

#16 Posted by JouselDelka (967 posts) -

@mystyr_e said:

which is weird cause I was considering buying Fez off steam but was always like "yeah but do I want to give money to this asshole?" and uh....yeah

You base your support for video games on whether their makers are nice or jerks?

So you'd rather support a cinematic unimaginative 'experience' with rehashed gameplay because the developer is a kind person, than to support a fresh and bold title with replay value and new gameplay because the dev is a dick?

#17 Edited by lockwoodx (2479 posts) -

I'm really afraid this is all going to end with Fish committing suicide or something. Dude can be brash and opinionated, but dude gets attacked a lot.

lol people say the same thing about me on my regular gaming site evilavatar.com but I don't mind being the "MMO tank" of interweb forums. The "taunt" button is an art form all in itself.

#18 Edited by connerthekewlkid (1817 posts) -

@jouseldelka said:

@mystyr_e said:

which is weird cause I was considering buying Fez off steam but was always like "yeah but do I want to give money to this asshole?" and uh....yeah

You base your support for video games on whether their makers are nice or jerks?

So you'd rather support a cinematic unimaginative 'experience' with rehashed gameplay because the developer is a kind person, than to support a fresh and bold title with replay value and new gameplay because the dev is a dick?

He never said hed buy the game if it was bad and the dev was nice.

#19 Posted by BazookaXp (17 posts) -

Go Phil. Dude's a rock star in terms of personality. He's brutally honest and sometimes he can be an asshole for it. He's lucky enough to be in a position to where he doesn't have to take shit from some surly Brit who often goes off half-cocked on anything and everything.

Maybe this is a tantrum, maybe he's really done with games. I wouldn't blame him considering the amount of shit he gets for opening his mouth.

Yeah "Go Phil".

Let's ignore the fact that he told Marcus that he should kill himself on twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/xPu9fff.png

#20 Edited by kishinfoulux (2276 posts) -

Go Phil. Dude's a rock star in terms of personality. He's brutally honest and sometimes he can be an asshole for it. He's lucky enough to be in a position to where he doesn't have to take shit from some surly Brit who often goes off half-cocked on anything and everything.

Maybe this is a tantrum, maybe he's really done with games. I wouldn't blame him considering the amount of shit he gets for opening his mouth.

Maybe he should stop saying dumb things then?

@captain_felafel said:

I'm really afraid this is all going to end with Fish committing suicide or something. Dude can be brash and opinionated, but dude gets attacked a lot.

Yeah. This OP doesn't really go into the root cause of this whole thing, which was a Gametrailers video in which Marcus Beer (the "Annoyed Gamer"... I'll let you figure out his shtick) called Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow "fucking hipsters" because they didn't give interviews to every outlet. In fact, this OP doesn't go into much at all!

I only posted what I posted mainly because those images were made available and honestly it's the most important part anyways.

#21 Posted by bawalo (63 posts) -

The rest of Polytron are not having a great day today, I presume.

#22 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3844 posts) -

@bazookaxp: Phil went overboard in his response absolutely but Marcus's little rant was just as immature an unprofessional. Hipster tosspot blah blah blah. I know that's his shtick but honestly I'm getting so tired of the 'angry edgy' personality it's so tired. Neither side is in the right here. Marcus acted like a dick and Phil went way overboard.

#23 Posted by hakunin (386 posts) -

I'll wait for someone to write up something on what the fuck just happened there. I hate trying to sift through twitter drama because the whole story is never out in the open.

Couple days ago when the whole 'MS is letting people self-publish' rumor was flying around, game news sites (polygon, etc) asked Phil Fish and Jon Blow for comment. They declined.

Then yesterday on Invisible Walls (a podcast/video thing over at gametrailers.com) Marcus Beer called them "fucking hipsters" and "toss pots" for declining to comment.

Fish asked (in typical Fish fashion) for an apology from Beer. Beer responded by offering an interview where he could "explain himself" or whatever.

Fish said, "fuck that, I'm out".

#24 Posted by TurboMan (7494 posts) -

Phil should delete his twitter account and ignore his haters... he would be much happier.

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#25 Posted by OllyOxenFree (4970 posts) -

Great! I was not going to play it anyway nor was I going to play the first one!

#26 Posted by Levius (1096 posts) -

What? Phil Fish is pulling a publicity stunt? Well this is a surprise.

#27 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4664 posts) -

@oldirtybearon said:

Go Phil. Dude's a rock star in terms of personality. He's brutally honest and sometimes he can be an asshole for it. He's lucky enough to be in a position to where he doesn't have to take shit from some surly Brit who often goes off half-cocked on anything and everything.

Maybe this is a tantrum, maybe he's really done with games. I wouldn't blame him considering the amount of shit he gets for opening his mouth.

Yeah "Go Phil".

Let's ignore the fact that he told Marcus that he should kill himself on twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/xPu9fff.png

Wow, that's some Scorched Earth shit right there. If you don't see how someone like Phil Fish is wildly entertaining then I don't think you've been on the Internet very long. Either that or you're Marcus.

#28 Posted by Mystyr_E (1190 posts) -

@jouseldelka said:

@mystyr_e said:

which is weird cause I was considering buying Fez off steam but was always like "yeah but do I want to give money to this asshole?" and uh....yeah

You base your support for video games on whether their makers are nice or jerks?

So you'd rather support a cinematic unimaginative 'experience' with rehashed gameplay because the developer is a kind person, than to support a fresh and bold title with replay value and new gameplay because the dev is a dick?

He never said hed buy the game if it was bad and the dev was nice.

no I didn't. And not sure why it's an issue, many people don't want to get involved with doing something because they don't care for the attitude of the creator.

#29 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

The battle of two jack asses (Marcus and Fish).

Damn it. Now I'm imagining a fishing show set in that boat level in Gears 2. YOU KNOW YOU'D WATCH IT.

#30 Edited by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -

This is all so embarrassing why are these grown men acting like children D:

edit: Also annoyed gamer, angry gamer, mad gamer, whatever. Fuck all these turds, what a shitty gimmick.

#31 Edited by Itwongo (1153 posts) -
#32 Posted by DeeGee (2119 posts) -

Phil Fish is one of my favourite people in this whole industry. I've never played Fez, but it sucks that he's cancelled the sequel.

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#33 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1817 posts) -

@bazookaxp said:

@oldirtybearon said:

Go Phil. Dude's a rock star in terms of personality. He's brutally honest and sometimes he can be an asshole for it. He's lucky enough to be in a position to where he doesn't have to take shit from some surly Brit who often goes off half-cocked on anything and everything.

Maybe this is a tantrum, maybe he's really done with games. I wouldn't blame him considering the amount of shit he gets for opening his mouth.

Yeah "Go Phil".

Let's ignore the fact that he told Marcus that he should kill himself on twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/xPu9fff.png

Wow, that's some Scorched Earth shit right there. If you don't see how someone like Phil Fish is wildly entertaining then I don't think you've been on the Internet very long. Either that or you're Marcus.

Hes entertaining for his e-drama but he himself is not.

#34 Posted by BazookaXp (17 posts) -

@bazookaxp: Phil went overboard in his response absolutely but Marcus's little rant was just as immature an unprofessional. Hipster tosspot blah blah blah. I know that's his shtick but honestly I'm getting so tired of the 'angry edgy' personality it's so tired. Neither side is in the right here. Marcus acted like a dick and Phil went way overboard.

Marcus's rant was no where near as immature and unprofessional as telling someone they should kill themselves and even telling off a customer.

http://i.imgur.com/hH4R0P1.png

Even more considering the unfortunate incident on Giant Bomb that the community would even defend a guy who told someone to commit suicide.

#35 Edited by Bollard (5394 posts) -

@captain_felafel: Shit I hadn't even considered that, now I'm even more concerned.

#36 Posted by kishinfoulux (2276 posts) -

@bazookaxp: Phil went overboard in his response absolutely but Marcus's little rant was just as immature an unprofessional. Hipster tosspot blah blah blah. I know that's his shtick but honestly I'm getting so tired of the 'angry edgy' personality it's so tired. Neither side is in the right here. Marcus acted like a dick and Phil went way overboard.

I think they're both assholes personally. Regardless of what Marcus said you ignore it and move on. He's seeking attention and Phil gave it to him in a big way. Marcus probably has a shit eating grin on right now. Also telling someone to kill them self is never cool.

@turboman said:

Phil should delete his twitter account and ignore his haters... he would be much happier.

I'm pretty sure he locked his account so for now he's off Twitter.

#37 Edited by Willza92 (259 posts) -

My understanding is that Marcus Beer (Annoyed Gamer) had a rant on the invisibles walls podcast calling Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow tosspots for getting pissed off about being asked for comment on Xbox Ones Indie policies or whatever. Phil responded via twitter and seems to be taking a lot of flack. The guy has a voice, an opinion and a soapbox. He uses all three and gets shit for it. Cancelling FEZ II seems a little rash but if as of this time Phil Fish wants nothing to do with this industry, who can blame him?

The vocal minority complains about Fish, creating the impression that no one wants him around. Of course he is going to leave. It's a shame because he is a very bright individual who is not afraid to speak his mind, unfortunately in this industry where everything is PR and keeping face, the idea of a "loose cannon" garners bad press quickly and so the easy opinion to latch onto is that Phil Fish is an arsehole.

Heres a secret: everyone on the internet is a tosspot. Roll with punches, Phil. Trust me, in the end, it'll be you who is laughing his way to the bank.

Then again, thats just my opinion.

#38 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4664 posts) -

Marcus's rant was no where near as immature and unprofessional as telling someone they should kill themselves and even telling off a customer.

http://i.imgur.com/hH4R0P1.png

Even more considering the unfortunate incident on Giant Bomb that the community would even defend a guy who told someone to commit suicide.

Invoking Ryan's death is a pretty shitty thing to do in a situation where two grown men are hurling insults at each other.

Really, really shitty.

#39 Posted by rebgav (1429 posts) -

Allow me to be the first to say "lol."

#40 Edited by BazookaXp (17 posts) -

@kishinfoulux said:

@thesoutherndandy said:

@bazookaxp: Phil went overboard in his response absolutely but Marcus's little rant was just as immature an unprofessional. Hipster tosspot blah blah blah. I know that's his shtick but honestly I'm getting so tired of the 'angry edgy' personality it's so tired. Neither side is in the right here. Marcus acted like a dick and Phil went way overboard.

I think they're both assholes personally. Regardless of what Marcus said you ignore it and move on. He's seeking attention and Phil gave it to him in a big way. Marcus probably has a shit eating grin on right now. Also telling someone to kill them self is never cool.

@turboman said:

Phil should delete his twitter account and ignore his haters... he would be much happier.

I'm pretty sure he locked his account so for now he's off Twitter.

I completely agree Fish should've just shrugged it off and ignored Marcus.

@oldirtybearon said:

@bazookaxp said:

Marcus's rant was no where near as immature and unprofessional as telling someone they should kill themselves and even telling off a customer.

http://i.imgur.com/hH4R0P1.png

Even more considering the unfortunate incident on Giant Bomb that the community would even defend a guy who told someone to commit suicide.

Invoking Ryan's death is a pretty shitty thing to do in a situation where two grown men are hurling insults at each other.

Really, really shitty.

All I was saying is that we suffered a great loss and the entire gaming community suffered a great loss so I think it's extremely messed up to see someone imply that someone should kill themselves on twitter over a dumb rant.

#41 Posted by ArtelinaRose (1850 posts) -

@thesoutherndandy said:

@bazookaxp: Phil went overboard in his response absolutely but Marcus's little rant was just as immature an unprofessional. Hipster tosspot blah blah blah. I know that's his shtick but honestly I'm getting so tired of the 'angry edgy' personality it's so tired. Neither side is in the right here. Marcus acted like a dick and Phil went way overboard.

Marcus's rant was no where near as immature and unprofessional as telling someone they should kill themselves and even telling off a customer.

http://i.imgur.com/hH4R0P1.png

Even more considering the unfortunate incident on Giant Bomb that the community would even defend a guy who told someone to commit suicide.

Are you implying Ryan killed himself?

#42 Edited by Itwongo (1153 posts) -

@bazookaxp: Did you even see what he said on that video? Yeah, Phil overreacted, but Marcus is no professional.

#43 Edited by EveretteScott (1451 posts) -

inb4 patrick writes an article about the 'internet hate machine' causing this.

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#44 Posted by kishinfoulux (2276 posts) -
#45 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

There are people who genuinely think this man is improving the industry.

#46 Edited by BazookaXp (17 posts) -

@rebgav:

@itwongo said:

@bazookaxp: Did you even see what he said on that video? Yeah, Phil overreacted, but Marcus is no professional.

Of course I watched the video and I'm not defending Marcus
@artelinarose said:

@bazookaxp said:

@thesoutherndandy said:

@bazookaxp: Phil went overboard in his response absolutely but Marcus's little rant was just as immature an unprofessional. Hipster tosspot blah blah blah. I know that's his shtick but honestly I'm getting so tired of the 'angry edgy' personality it's so tired. Neither side is in the right here. Marcus acted like a dick and Phil went way overboard.

Marcus's rant was no where near as immature and unprofessional as telling someone they should kill themselves and even telling off a customer.

http://i.imgur.com/hH4R0P1.png

Even more considering the unfortunate incident on Giant Bomb that the community would even defend a guy who told someone to commit suicide.

Are you implying Ryan killed himself?

Not at all.

#47 Edited by Blu3V3nom07 (4184 posts) -

*stares* *blinks* I take a shower, and this is what happens?

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#48 Edited by jimmyfenix (3851 posts) -

I love this industry.

#49 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3844 posts) -

@bazookaxp: dude if you're really gonna bring up Ryan as a way of justifying your opinion on these two acting like children you can seriously screw right off

#50 Edited by I_Stay_Puft (3147 posts) -

Didn't Phil Fish quit twitter and social networking for awhile while developing Fez? He should learn from that experience and either take comments with a grain of salt or quit social media all together and just hire a pr representative.

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