Fez 2 cancelled because Phil Fish threw a tamper tantrum.

#151 Posted by XenoNick (1483 posts) -

Give it a couple of weeks.

#152 Posted by Confirm4Crit (143 posts) -

Like....This is fucking nuts.

This is just fucking nuts.

If you like Phil Fish or not, what Beer did is beyond disgusting. I've been seeing Blow and Fish's twitter accounts just be bombarded with *stupid fucking shit*.

Like, someone has to snap eventually, right? A group can only attack so long and then just "win", right? They've "won".

We should really probably take a step back and *grow up* a little bit. Yes, I'm on fucking Giant Bomb, we flush baked pastry down toilets, and that's a weird time to say that, but at no fucking point do you have a requirement to comment to a journalist about anything, especially rumors. At no point should an entire group have the power to hate someone out of their fucking profession.

Take a step back, and look at FEZ objectively. That was a game, if you like it or not, that's fine, but you can tell it was made by someone who loves/ed video games.

We, and I use "we" loosely, here, it's not all of us. clearly, have now hated a man out of something he loves.

*what*

Like, if you think he's an asshole, or a hipster, or whatever, more to you, sure. But it doesn't matter. Turn it off, ignore it.

At what point does entitlement stay that high?

#153 Posted by Ravenlight (8011 posts) -

@eujin said:

Both sides acted like asses(except for Blow, really), but I'm pretty sure that Beer is more in the wrong.

I'm actually more interested in what John Blow thinks about this whole thing.

#154 Posted by Bulby33 (617 posts) -

This is childish.

#155 Posted by deerokus (568 posts) -

Fish probably needs some medical advice, he strikes me as having some kind of mental illness that isn't being treated. As someone who has gone through that... it's still hard to sympathise with him. He boasts about his life and his relative wealth, belittles people who aren't as well known as he is, then complains about people being nasty to him.

#156 Posted by Landmine (528 posts) -

I personally like Phil's perspective on the industry and I enjoy his sense of humor. That being said, it's unfortunate that he catches so much shit but in many cases he puts the target on his back. I'm not saying he's wrong, but if you are going to stick your neck out there, be prepared for the backlash.

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#158 Posted by Demoskinos (15156 posts) -

I'm still waiting for the headline "Beer Battered Fish".

Do you work for the Huffington Post? Because if you don't you should.

#159 Edited by I_Stay_Puft (3814 posts) -
#160 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

He is opinionated, but brash? That's just codeword for asshole.

#161 Posted by Milkman (17326 posts) -

@eujin said:

Both sides acted like asses(except for Blow, really), but I'm pretty sure that Beer is more in the wrong.

I'm actually more interested in what John Blow thinks about this whole thing.

#162 Edited by BurningStickMan (238 posts) -

@abara said:

guys... GUYS. wake up

his twitter icon is ANDY KAUFMAN

THANK YOU! I'm glad someone else noticed.

Next step, he and Marcus Beer appear on Letterman.

#163 Posted by Humanity (10108 posts) -

@humanity said:

@colourful_hippie said:

@crimsonjesus said:

I'm totally okay with Phil Fish, he's hilarious and Fez was pretty good. He's obviously got some issues but so do a lot of people, those people just have publicists.

This is how I feel.

It's not that they have publicists, some people can simply control themselves.

Emphasis on some. Everybody doesn't have tough skin and are able to shrug off dumb shit like that. I don't hold anything against him for not being able to handle the situation more carefully which is why people like that need PR reps *cough*Dennis Dyack*cough*

You can't go around talking the way he talks and then when others talk shit back to you get defensive and hurt. If you don't have tough skin, then be civil and calm. You can't tell me that he doesn't bring a lot of this on himself - on one hand he antagonizes people and makes no effort to try to quell the drama surrounding him, and on the other he gets upset that people are mean to him. You can't swing both ways like that. At this point it's a vicious circle that keeps feeding itself but it started somewhere.

That's why I take issue with what @milkman says because you can't say oh Phil Fish is a funny asshole but Marcus Beer is an annoying asshole. They're both crass and unrestrained in the way they speak. You can't sympathize with one of the assholes and vilify the other. Ironically enough, Marcus Beer commented Blows and Fishs decision to decline a quote in the most "Phil Fishest" way possible.

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#164 Edited by Pr1mus (3950 posts) -

Phil is emotional and impulsive to say the least but regardless of what he says and do, anyone who can listen to what Marcus Beer said in this particular instance or just what he does in general and say this is acceptable is out of his mind.

There are reasons why people like Fish and Jonathan Blow can become extremely irritated and garbage like what Marcus Beer spews on a regular basis is one of those.

Telling someone to kill themselves is not a first for Fish and certainly not helping his cause but people like Beer who contributes nothing other than negativity about EVERYTHING all the goddamn time should not have a voice in this industry.

#165 Posted by Nardak (583 posts) -

Phil Fish ...the comedy gold that just keeps on giving.

#166 Posted by hakunin (397 posts) -

@eujin said:

Both sides acted like asses(except for Blow, really), but I'm pretty sure that Beer is more in the wrong.

I'm actually more interested in what John Blow thinks about this whole thing.

Blow on twitter:

Yes, it's true, sometimes developers can be more tactful and whatever else. But what gets thrown back at them, FROM YOU GUYS, is 100 times worse. Any comment on a developer's behavior is hypocritical when coming from THE INTERNET.

#167 Posted by Itwongo (1245 posts) -
#168 Edited by TheSouthernDandy (3925 posts) -

@bazookaxp said:

@thesoutherndandy said:

@bazookaxp: dude if you're really gonna bring up Ryan as a way of justifying your opinion on these two acting like children you can seriously screw right off

Of course I'm not the fact that you would even imply that was my intention in bringing it up even makes me mad. I just couldn't believe that I saw a user on Giant Bomb making light of someone telling someone else they should commit suicide considering the recent circumstances.

I have major respect for Ryan and Giant Bomb and meant no disrespect with my comments.

You might wanna be more clear in the future then cause I wasn't the only one who took that from what you said. Also aside from the fact he was quoting Futurama, nobody actually thinks Fish is ACTUALLY telling Beer to kill himself. Nobody here is making light of anything to do with suicide, don't be nuts.

Again, blame falls on both of these guys, Phil can be a caustic confrontational personality at times who doesn't censor his thoughts before throwing them out to the internet and should expect that he's catch hell for it.

Marcus is playing up the 'hey i'm an asshole' shtick who saw an opportunity to take shots at two well known personalities and instead of discussing the matter professionally just threw more negativity out into the ether.

Video games being a bigger deal and social media bringing everyone closer together is great and all but the downside is getting a front row seat to all this stupidity and whereas I might have found it entertaining at one point in my life, I'm growing tired of it. Both of these guys need to look at what they're doing and how they're doing it and if it's having any positive effect.

#169 Edited by Dan_CiTi (3524 posts) -

Also, no artist or creator or whatever owes anyone ever a single interview of any kind. If The Beatles never conducted a single interview in their entire career, it wouldn't make Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, The Beatles, or Abbey Road any less of fantastic records.

Guys, I just want to say that even though I have no opinion on this argument (though I enjoy Marcus Beer's internet personality more than Phil FIsh's) do you realize the internet is awesome. We just witnessed the digital equivalent of two nerds hissy fitting and one of them leaving and crying. IN PUBLIC DOMAIN. We live in great times.

How is that a good thing? Something really lame, stupid, kind of boring, and negative happened? Yeah because two grown men being whining babies is so sexy and suave and cool and badass. It's just a spectacle of stupidity that resulted in a possibly awesome game getting canceled.

#170 Edited by Breadfan (6590 posts) -

For fuck's sake.That's a bummer. Phish and the other dude come off as two (equally) whinny cunts.This guy knew he was going to illicit some sort of reaction from Phish and goaded him into this whole bullshit argument. And I was an apoloFisht.

#171 Edited by familyphotoshoot (654 posts) -

Holy shit I'm fucking dying over here.

#172 Edited by NegativeCero (3039 posts) -

People like Fish really shouldn't be using Twitter. When something as silly as this elicited that kind of reaction, he should either go dark on the internet or grow thicker skin, which when you're getting as much attention as he does I imagine might be tough.

That said Beer isn't blameless.

#173 Posted by XCEagle (120 posts) -

@pr1mus said:

Phil is emotional and impulsive to say the least but regardless of what he says and do, anyone who can listen to what Marcus Beer said in this particular instance or just what he does in general and say this is acceptable is out of his mind.

There are reasons why people like Fish and Jonathan Blow can become extremely irritated and garbage like what Marcus Beer spews on a regular basis is one of those.

Telling someone to kill themselves is not a first for Fish and certainly not helping his cause but people like Beer who contributes nothing other than negativity about EVERYTHING all the goddamn time should not have a voice in this industry.

I'm not sure when else he told people to kill themselves, but in this case at least he was referencing Futurama. Maybe not the best decision, but still seems like he tried to at least meet the attacks with sarcasm.

I'm not even a Phil Fish fan, but Marcus Beer has made him a sympathetic figure.

#174 Posted by beepmachine (617 posts) -

@confirm4crit: I pretty much agree with everything you said. If it was me I would probably snap too. At the end of the day I don't think anyone can really judge his actions since none of us know just what kind of stuff he has to deal with. And I think he's someone who loves games (like you said, just look at Fez) but hates most of what surrounds them. And that sucks, and is an industry wide problem. There's so many amazing people making amazing games, and so much fucking trash and hate and anger surrounding them for NO reason.

#175 Posted by captain_clayman (3328 posts) -

I think Phil Fish needs a manager.

#176 Posted by Milkman (17326 posts) -

@humanity: I agree that Fish can be a dick at times and he's definitely deserving some blame here but generally (and I guess I'm not a complete expert on every beef he's ever had) he doesn't seem to just attack people unprovoked, like Beers did.

#177 Posted by joshwent (2353 posts) -

@breadfan said:

Phish and the other dude come off as two (equally) whinny cunts

Hey. I admit that they've lost some of their experimental uniqueness since the 90's heyday, and maybe should have remained on hiatus to find a more interesting new direction, but leave Phish out of this.

#178 Posted by Gelf513 (73 posts) -

Idk, I've enjoyed Beer's videos in the past. While I don't agree with every single opinion of his I think he does a pretty good job at calling people in this industry out on their shit. I think Fish and Blow could have easily said, "no comment" and moved on when press were asking for one regarding the XONE indie policy change. I'll be really curious if this game stays cancelled or not.

#179 Posted by jakob187 (21762 posts) -

Like....This is fucking nuts.

This is just fucking nuts.

If you like Phil Fish or not, what Beer did is beyond disgusting. I've been seeing Blow and Fish's twitter accounts just be bombarded with *stupid fucking shit*.

Like, someone has to snap eventually, right? A group can only attack so long and then just "win", right? They've "won".

We should really probably take a step back and *grow up* a little bit. Yes, I'm on fucking Giant Bomb, we flush baked pastry down toilets, and that's a weird time to say that, but at no fucking point do you have a requirement to comment to a journalist about anything, especially rumors. At no point should an entire group have the power to hate someone out of their fucking profession.

Take a step back, and look at FEZ objectively. That was a game, if you like it or not, that's fine, but you can tell it was made by someone who loves/ed video games.

We, and I use "we" loosely, here, it's not all of us. clearly, have now hated a man out of something he loves.

*what*

Like, if you think he's an asshole, or a hipster, or whatever, more to you, sure. But it doesn't matter. Turn it off, ignore it.

At what point does entitlement stay that high?

I agree that they don't have to answer questions, and the attacks based solely on people wanting them to comment on rumors and refusing to answer are ridiculous. At the same time, blowing up on people and acting like a primadonna about it when you happen to be someone in the industry that is considered to be a respected and successful indie developer that could possibly answer those questions or comment on them is a different thing as well. When it comes down to it, all sides of this are fucked thoroughly.

Fish and Blow are getting pissed because they are good at what they do and people would like to hear what people who are good at these things have to say about uncertain futures and rumors.

The press are getting pissed because these guys don't want to get hounded about things that don't directly pertain to them and instead want to talk about the thing they love: the games they make and play.

Marcus is getting pissed because that's his shtick and he felt the need to take it a step further because he has had a bug up his ass about indie devs for a long time, to the effect that he comes across as some meathead fuckwad that believes all indie devs are hipsters and such.

The people commenting are doing nothing but either digging the hole deeper for Fish to fall into or they are supporting him and he'll find some reason to lash out at them because that's what Fish does.

When it comes down to it, it's a lose/lose in every direction.

#180 Posted by Confirm4Crit (143 posts) -

I thought of another analogy. Let's say, hypothetically, that Iron Galaxy was showing off DIveKick on a stream with GB. We know that GB and IG are close friends, so they make really deep cut jokes at each other, "Hey, what version of flash is this?", har har har.

Let's pretend they weren't friends, and GB was slamming their product right in front of their face. They'd get upset, right?

That's all this was. Fuck Phil Fish. Call Phil Fish PenisWrinkle900, it doesn't really matter, he was openly attacked in that video. Fuck that. That's just gross. How GT even let that out, I don't know. I just wanted it again, it's not rude, it's fucking insane.

From the PolyGon Article: " "Gents," Beer said. "You were the guys who did Indie Game: the Movie. And some of you looked relatively normal in it, one of you looked like a total tosspot in it. But you can't have it both ways. You're successful game designers — you're 'indie' game designers — hurrah, good for you, you fucking hipsters." "

Go fuck yourself

#181 Posted by CastroCasper (1307 posts) -


We, and I use "we" loosely, here, it's not all of us. clearly, have now hated a man out of something he loves.

That's probably the biggest bummer out of all this. Even if he does come back to make games, it would suck to have to quit doing what you love just because there was too much bullshit involved (even if you had something to do with that bullshit or not).

And on the other note, someone named the "annoyed gamer" needs to bitch about something every week. It's their thing. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

#182 Posted by kagato (962 posts) -

Why do people defend Phil Fish? The guys a complete ego maniac and only ever does anything when it serves his own interests, sure the guy pestering him is an asshole too, but that dosent make him any less of one. All this strutting around telling people that they hurt him? Is he two? Oh i hate everyone, no one loves me, im cancelling my game that im not even developing to teach you all a lesson!

#183 Posted by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

Ugh.

#184 Posted by csl316 (9473 posts) -

Holy shit I'm fucking dying over here.

That was super slick, after only a couple hours.

I watched Beer's thing and I'm bummed about it. Never had a problem with him but the fact that "he's a total asshole most of the time!" is instantly followed with "I'm an asshole, that's my thing" is just... again, just a silly, unnecessary situation.

Let it be know that today I had to Google "tosspot" to see what the hell it means.

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#185 Posted by BigJeffrey (5182 posts) -

@kagato said:

Why do people defend Phil Fish? The guys a complete ego maniac and only ever does anything when it serves his own interests, sure the guy pestering him is an asshole too, but that dosent make him any less of one. All this strutting around telling people that they hurt him? Is he two? Oh i hate everyone, no one loves me, im cancelling my game that im not even developing to teach you all a lesson!

Because people love their indie devs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617lGZjYyNo

#186 Edited by Blu3V3nom07 (3788 posts) -

I'm hoping for a good Jimquisition out of all of this.

#187 Edited by TheSouthernDandy (3925 posts) -

@negativecero said:

People like Fish really shouldn't be using Twitter. When something as silly as this elicited that kind of reaction, he should either go dark on the internet or grow thicker skin, which when you're getting as much attention as he does I imagine might be tough.

That said Beer isn't blameless.

That would be the best thing for him to stay off Twitter. It was great this past week to see him freaking out about the Rift and the possibilities for gaming that it created but a guy who runs as hot and cold as he does isn't gonna be able to restrain himself and that's how we got to today. Insulating himself from as much of the asshat-ery as he can is about the best idea for him. For cryin out loud he's French Canadian, those people cannot be reasoned with. (kidding. mostly)

As for calling Marcus an asshat I don't hate the guy I like some of what he does but this was just vitriol an man, who needs that?

#188 Posted by Deadlydog (168 posts) -

You know i thought he was kinda cool on that thing he was on with GiantBomb, But for fucks sake he needs to grow up and learn how to ignore people...

#189 Posted by Zacagawea (1614 posts) -

You know what would be perfect? A week from now he just announces Fez 3. Fuck 2.

#190 Posted by Humanity (10108 posts) -

@milkman said:

@humanity: I agree that Fish can be a dick at times and he's definitely deserving some blame here but generally (and I guess I'm not a complete expert on every beef he's ever had) he doesn't seem to just attack people unprovoked, like Beers did.

At the end of the day your actions will define how people perceive you. When Ryan passed away everyone had only the nicest things to say about him. He was regarded as a kind and caring human being even though people joking said that he would act like an asshole at times - but always knew when to apologize. That sort of reverence that everyone had for Ryan didn't just come out of nowhere, the same way the kind of negativity associated with Phil Fish didn't just appear out of nowhere. I also don't follow everything he says on Twitter but a majority of the time when I read about him it always seemed like he said too much when he could just as well have simply not responded at all.

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#191 Edited by ottoman673 (570 posts) -

Fish is a neurotic asshole.

When you're a prominent indie [oxymoron? work with me here] developer, and your games get the attention they do, you become poster boys for the scene you come from. Blow's at least handling himself maturely, Fish told someone to kill them self and locked his Twitter account, and cancelled his next game. [for now.]

That said, Marcus's attack was a little bit pointed, but a lot of people have said a lot of shit to both Blow and Fish in the past. Shit happens. One person's opinion isn't going to ruin your development future, shrug at it, and move on.

The fact that Fish always has to be right will be his downfall.

#192 Posted by MocBucket62 (1259 posts) -

Really? Fez II is gone just like that only because Phil got mad?

#193 Posted by mrfluke (5345 posts) -
#194 Edited by JouselDelka (966 posts) -

Yeah "Go Phil".

Let's ignore the fact that he told Marcus that he should kill himself on twitter.

http://i.imgur.com/xPu9fff.png

Damn, baby.

Also annoyed gamer, angry gamer, mad gamer, whatever. Fuck all these turds, what a shitty gimmick.

#195 Posted by Mystyr_E (1195 posts) -

maybe he'll pull a MS and say "because of the support and feedback of the community, we've un-cancelled Fez 2 and you will be supplied with a dick you won't be able to choke on. love phil"

#196 Edited by Animasta (14725 posts) -

The fact that people think it was just this one person who caused him to fuck off is insane. It's been happening for years (not without provocation admittedly) and this was the straw that broke the french canadian's back.

#197 Edited by Skooky (479 posts) -

Everybody on the internet secretly wishes were Phil Fish.

#198 Edited by MideonNViscera (2252 posts) -

Nobody's ever gonna stop taunting this guy now haha

#199 Posted by Breadfan (6590 posts) -

@joshwent said:

@breadfan said:

Phish and the other dude come off as two (equally) whinny cunts

Hey. I admit that they've lost some of their experimental uniqueness since the 90's heyday, and maybe should have remained on hiatus to find a more interesting new direction, but leave Phish out of this.

Whoops.

#200 Posted by Gruff182 (876 posts) -

I love Phil Fish.

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