i grabbed the game from the psn store out of interest a few months back, i enjoyed the first few hours of it but then i got to the temple of the ancients, im now stuck on the gate keeper and im not gonna grind for it. Im now watching the game on youtube and have realized that im 20 levels bellow where i should be.  WHy did the game let me get to the temple and up to the boss while that badly under leveled, with nowhere to grind?  Long rant short: the game isn't fun at this point, im not gonna spend a day grinding, and it isn't the best game ever, not even close.

Yeah it's no good. Way over rated.

" i grabbed the game from the psn store out of interest a few months back, i enjoyed the first few hours of it but then i got to the temple of the ancients, im now stuck on the gate keeper and im not gonna grind for it. Im now watching the game on youtube and have realized that im 20 levels bellow where i should be.  WHy did the game let me get to the temple and up to the boss while that badly under leveled, with nowhere to grind?  Long rant short: the game isn't fun at this point, im not gonna spend a day grinding, and it isn't the best game ever, not even close. "

That happened to me when I originally played it, I got to the temple of the ancients way under levelled. Fortunately I had an earlier save that I was able to revert to. I don't know if I'd call it the 'best game ever' but it still is a great game. And you have to remember that its now like 11 years old so of course some issues are going to seem annoying now. FMV sequences = the best I had ever seen at that point in gaming history

" @kashif1 said:

" i grabbed the game from the psn store out of interest a few months back, i enjoyed the first few hours of it but then i got to the temple of the ancients, im now stuck on the gate keeper and im not gonna grind for it. Im now watching the game on youtube and have realized that im 20 levels bellow where i should be.  WHy did the game let me get to the temple and up to the boss while that badly under leveled, with nowhere to grind?  Long rant short: the game isn't fun at this point, im not gonna spend a day grinding, and it isn't the best game ever, not even close. "

Not every game holds up well over ten years after their original release. "

" @kashif1 said:

" i grabbed the game from the psn store out of interest a few months back, i enjoyed the first few hours of it but then i got to the temple of the ancients, im now stuck on the gate keeper and im not gonna grind for it. Im now watching the game on youtube and have realized that im 20 levels bellow where i should be.  WHy did the game let me get to the temple and up to the boss while that badly under leveled, with nowhere to grind?  Long rant short: the game isn't fun at this point, im not gonna spend a day grinding, and it isn't the best game ever, not even close. "

Not every game holds up well over ten years after their original release. "

" @Karmum said:

" @kashif1 said:

" i grabbed the game from the psn store out of interest a few months back, i enjoyed the first few hours of it but then i got to the temple of the ancients, im now stuck on the gate keeper and im not gonna grind for it. Im now watching the game on youtube and have realized that im 20 levels bellow where i should be.  WHy did the game let me get to the temple and up to the boss while that badly under leveled, with nowhere to grind?  Long rant short: the game isn't fun at this point, im not gonna spend a day grinding, and it isn't the best game ever, not even close. "

Not every game holds up well over ten years after their original release. "

its not that, the game had held up alright to me until that point, in fact i stopped playing golden sun for the same reason, i hate having to grind in order to get to a good story "

I thought Final Fantasy VIII was better, but that's just me.

"FMV sequences = the best I had ever seen at that point in gaming history "

The real question is  who really cares. That game it old, and when it first came out it was like nothing that has ever come before. So unless you were there when that game was the shit your prolly not going to be into it. Mario 64 believed to be better then Mario Sun Shine, well if you'd never played 64 and played sun shine first you'd prolly think 64 was shit if you tried to go back and play 64. So if you're play FF7 for the first time on the PS3 you missed the boat that game will never be great to you so stop bitching about it. You not liking doesn't stop anyone that does like from doing so.

It's still one of the most important games ever made. Before it came out, pretty much every RPG wanted to be Dragon Quest and after it they well...wanted to be FF7. Although there are many things I don't like about it any more I would want to be be remade, I can still appreciate it.

The only time I ever remember having to grind in either Golden Sun was for the last boss, and even then, it felt optional.  It was just way more difficult (and epic) if you were a little underleveled.  Or maybe if you wanted to get the last couple of summons in the second game, but that's just the extra stuff.

" The only time I ever remember having to grind in either Golden Sun was for the last boss, and even then, it felt optional.  It was just way more difficult (and epic) if you were a little underleveled.  Or maybe if you wanted to get the last couple of summons in the second game, but that's just the extra stuff. "

  this rant says it better than i do

"  this rant says it better than i do

"

Nah I played it on PS1 and didnt like it.

You got a JRPG and didn't expect to have to grind at some point? That's... naive.

Never really seen what all the fuss is about J RPGs, they're just not my gaming cup of tea.

Same reason why I stopped playing FFXII and probably why I'll pass on XIII. Grinding is and will always be in my mind, complete and utter bullshit.

If your comparing it to todays RPGs, then yea there are many flaws. But back during release, it did things very well. Im not saying it did things that other RPGs didn't do back then, but it did them well. plus back then Final Fantasy was the biggest JRPG series, since all the console were region locked and video games weren't covered as much as they are now.

As far as beloved classics from the 32/64 bit era go, you can't get much worse than FFVII in the "Holds up by modern standards" department. That doesn't mean it's a bad game, but it hasn't aged very well at all.
 
Oh, and if you can't tolerate grinding, don't play J-RPGs.

Your all wrong, FFVII is incredible.

What you gotta do with the gate keeper, and if you are on a lower level is this;
 
Have Barret, Yuffie or Vincent. Whichever is highest level.  Get them in the back row.
Slap Long Range materia onto Cloud. Drop him to the back row.
Throw Aeris into the Back row cause she can't hit for shit anyhow. And have her heal.
 
Back Row + Gatekeeper = Half Damage, from his crippling blows.
 
Have at him!!
 
Ps. If you do need to gain some levels, get knocked off the clock and into the pit.. i think those dragons down there are good for EXP, plus you get Nail Bat, which give Cloud WAY more damage!

Honestly, I found this game to be piss easy. I got it on PSN for my PSP and I didn't die once until I got to the crater (at the end of the game). I got wiped by a lucky instant team-death spell.
 
I only ever grinded once (third disc), and it's not even required where I'm at. Of course, I haven't beat the game yet, either. Mainly because I got bored of it.

" Your all wrong, FFVII is incredible. "

" @kashif1: WHHHHAAAAAAAAA? YOU DIDN'T LIKE GOLDEN SUN?  You just earned a spot on my "Enemies" list.  "

" I thought Final Fantasy VIII was better, but that's just me. "

I like Paul Barnett's reasoning. If you start playing older games then you can have an appreciation for older games. You just want to play games. But if you start off on newer games, it becomes harder for you to go back and play old games. I started in the late NES and SNES era, and I can go back to almost any game from between there and now and find some kind of enjoyment. However, most kids who start playing now can't go back to games like Doom or Final Fantasy 6. They are too weened on high res graphics and easy gameplay. And for some people (i.e. Brad) who constantly say that you can't go back to those older games,  they just either don't have the time to go back or are just unable to accept that it is okay to play older games. The mechanics were like that at the time and if you can look past that you'll still find enjoyment in the game.

Just did another playthrough of ff7, man I never get tired of that game.  It really is a great game to accomplish all of the extra content and beat the Weapons.  Whenever we hit a drought in game releases this is always a game I am willing to come back to.
 
As for those who didnt enjoy it, everyone enjoys their own style / story elements in gaming so its completely understandable.   I myself dont believe this game is anywhere near overrated and I feel it is just as easy to play today as it was when I got it in '97.  FF7 remains as one of my all time favorite titles.  

the story isn't even that good to warrant the grinding IMO so yeah it's ok to give up on this game
 
i beat it and thought it was an ok JRPG but there are things that an older game like Chrono Trigger did better than FF7 and i don't really like Chrono Trigger either
 
but i don't know..i guess it's all about taste

Get FF8 it is ALOT better in all categories.  And the plot isn't random and makes sense. :D

" Get FF8 it is ALOT better in all categories.  And the plot isn't random and makes sense. :D "

That always happens to me when I play FF games.  I get far ahead but don't level enough..

If you need to grind to kill the gate keeper then you should quit, because you are terrible at the game.
 
It's really not hard to cast barrier on yourself.

" i grabbed the game from the psn store out of interest a few months back, i enjoyed the first few hours of it but then i got to the temple of the ancients, im now stuck on the gate keeper and im not gonna grind for it. Im now watching the game on youtube and have realized that im 20 levels bellow where i should be.  WHy did the game let me get to the temple and up to the boss while that badly under leveled, with nowhere to grind?  Long rant short: the game isn't fun at this point, im not gonna spend a day grinding, and it isn't the best game ever, not even close. "

Play Final Fantasy VIII instead. It's better and stood the test of time, unlike its former counterpart.

Any game that becomes famous for its "visual flare" is destined for mediocrity in the eyes of time. 7 doesn't hold up for the same reason Independence Day, the movie, doesn't. The shit that is supposed to impress you doesn't and when you take that away what you're left with is kind of a joke.
When you do this to 8, you also have a shell of a game really, but you can play Triple Triad so it doesn't much matter.

" To be fair, most other 'games' with FMV at that point were far worse than FF7. I've never actually played the game, having never owned a PSX, but I think that going in with really high expectations will do you no favors.   I think think that the Playstation/N64/Saturn era of gaming has held up far worse than the two eras before it. Those systems could have handled fantastic 2D work and they instead opted for blocky 3D. There should have opted for a healthier mix of the two. "

FF8 feels a lot slower than 7 combat and story wise, but maybe thats just me

Ha ha, the ancient temple gatekeeper. Yeah. That's what taught me not to expect JRPGs to take me by the hand as well.
 
You didn't train your party well. Your fault, and your loss. :D