Why is the laughing scene so looked down upon?

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#1 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

I'm bored at work, so this is kind of a random thought that popped into my head. But people always look down on that laughing scene and use it as an example of "bad voice acting" or "bad localization. But really, how is it? The entire point of the scene was to be awkward and forced, Yuna and Tidus are forcing themselves to laugh when they aren't happy. The entire purpose of the scene was them forcing themselves to awkwardly laugh to try and cheer up the grim situation. Everybody I see bashing the scene is usually completely taking it out of context and just using it to say the voice acting is bad when it was purposely made that way. Even the other characters in the game are all standing off together looking at Tidus and Yuna with "what the hell are they doing" faces on.

#2 Posted by Canteu (2821 posts) -

Honestly, I think the reason people look down on it is because they have no idea what the point of it is.

When you say it's supposed to be forced, they think "it's so forced so the voice acting is bad!", when in fact you're totally right and that scene is depressing as shit.

#3 Posted by MachoFantastico (4683 posts) -

Never really bothered me. Possibly due to a mix of it feeling very Japanese like and as you said, being a part of the story. Seen much worse in video games then that laughing seen.

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#4 Posted by Bell_End (1208 posts) -

its cheeeeeseeeeey

#5 Posted by killacam (1284 posts) -

right after the forced laughing, tidus and yuna break out in real laughter, so that's always undercut it... but it's still a really awkward scene.

#6 Posted by Hailinel (24725 posts) -

@killacam said:

right after the forced laughing, tidus and yuna break out in real laughter, so that's always undercut it... but it's still a really awkward scene.

But it was always meant to be awkward and forced. The problem is, a lot of people don't understand that when fools post a youtube video of the laugh out of context as a supposedly representative example of the game's overall voice acting.

#7 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8699 posts) -

Because if they weren't allowed to rip things out of context they'd have nothing to complain about.

#8 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3051 posts) -

It bothered me because my family came into the room when I got to that point and the characters on screen were awkwardly laughing like fucking idiots.

#9 Posted by pyromagnestir (4324 posts) -

It didn't stand out to me at all during my play through of the game. I didn't even remember the scene existed until people started posting that clip as an example of bad voice acting, even though it seems pretty easy to recognize that it all works in the context of the scene. So I don't know.

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#10 Posted by DonChipotle (2753 posts) -

I think the scene is fine but it probably has something to do with the fact that the Luca part of the game is boring and dumb and that scene comes at the end of a very boring section and people were ready to hate on something.

#11 Posted by Dogma (961 posts) -

I have never judged the game overall voice acting because of that scene but it sounds wierd as hell. Yes, they may be forcing laughter BUT come on, is that the most convincing fake laughter you can do? It feels like they are laughing like robots HA....HA....HA.... rather than faking real lagughter. That's why that scene allways been kind of of to me. BUT as you can hear in the end of that secene those voice acters a clearly capable of laughing in a more real and convincing way.

#12 Posted by teekomeeko (624 posts) -

It never bothered me, personally, mostly because I understood what was happening and that it was supposed to be kinda dumb. The first time I saw it I did cringe a bit, but whatever, X is still a fantastic game to me.

#13 Posted by MEATBALL (3238 posts) -

Pretty sure most detractors get it, guys, you're not super intelligent or anything, it's still a horrible scene. Final Fantasy X is okay though.

#14 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3782 posts) -

It's cheesy and embarrassing, but I've always felt it was treated unfairly too, for the reasons you mentioned. The people that find it so bad probably haven't played the game. I actually really like the story of FFX, and Tidus. People complain about how whiny he is, and I get that, but it's also the point of his character. A spoiled celeb athlete who has daddy issues and is suddenly thrust into a crazy unfair world and forced to grow up. By the end of the game, he's pretty much a great hero/well-rounded character. It's a character arc like Luke Skywalker's; a whiny teen that grows up and becomes responsible.

#15 Posted by Mesoian (1574 posts) -

@CL60 said:

I'm bored at work, so this is kind of a random thought that popped into my head. But people always look down on that laughing scene and use it as an example of "bad voice acting" or "bad localization. But really, how is it? The entire point of the scene was to be awkward and forced, Yuna and Tidus are forcing themselves to laugh when they aren't happy. The entire purpose of the scene was them forcing themselves to awkwardly laugh to try and cheer up the grim situation. Everybody I see bashing the scene is usually completely taking it out of context and just using it to say the voice acting is bad when it was purposely made that way. Even the other characters in the game are all standing off together looking at Tidus and Yuna with "what the hell are they doing" faces on.

The people who say that it's bad localization haven't seen that scene in Japanese. The scene in english is actually a MARKED improvement over the Japanese version.

#16 Posted by Jrinswand (1709 posts) -

I had never even heard of this before opening this thread.

#17 Posted by kashif1 (1428 posts) -

I did understand it but the scene was still grating.

@Jrinswand said:

I had never even heard of this before opening this thread.

context is your friend.

#18 Posted by Sanj (2387 posts) -

Because the internet.

#19 Posted by Draugen (649 posts) -

It bothered me mostly because I really couldn't stand James Taylor's voice acting in that game. The laughing scene cemented it. In AND out of context. In fairness though, his Gabe Logan turned out decent. Who'da thunk it?

#20 Posted by Brendan (7806 posts) -

I get it, and I don't think that it's terrible, but it's a little much. What makes it cheesy isn't the laughing so much as it is the facial animations of the time that didn't match up well with the voice-work.

#21 Posted by Phatmac (5726 posts) -

I still like FFX a whole lot, but that scene is just kind of awful to me. It's still burned into my brain.

#22 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7616 posts) -

The voice acting was poor and the scene was incredibly cheesy. People aren't taken it out of context by calling it awkward, it's awkward because no real people would ever act that way.

Although that's a problem with the series in general these days, none of the characters seem like humans. Having a painfully unlikable character and having him "grow" as the game goes on, also doesn't qualify as a character arc.

#23 Edited by dungbootle (2457 posts) -

I didn't even remember it until I noticed the internet doing it's favorite thing of beating dead horses. The scene itself is not that bad. In fact I don't find it weird at all.

#24 Posted by LikeaSsur (1530 posts) -

These people aren't used to Final Fantasy games and how eccentric characters can be.

Maybe in Spira, random outbursts while looking out into the sea are common.

#25 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Because there is a narrative to uphold.

#26 Posted by xaLieNxGrEyx (2605 posts) -

Because Hipsters.

#27 Posted by Vanek (383 posts) -

It was cringeworthy and I wasn't exactly thrilled about having family members hearing it out of context from the another room. God, I would always scramble for the TV remote when I got to that part ...

#28 Posted by CaLe (3982 posts) -

HA HA HA is funny yes? is so funny.

#29 Posted by Doppelgamer (320 posts) -

I actually know someone who stopped playing through FFX just because of this scene. Talk about lame reasons to quit playing a game that they were enjoying the heck out of.

#30 Posted by JackSukeru (5911 posts) -

A lot of people who don't know the context probablyy get the wrong impression, but I do know the context and I still say the voice acting in that scene was pretty bad. It was something I noticed, but not something that stuck with me and I probably wouldn't even remember it if people hadn't started posting that video.

#31 Posted by IBurningStar (2172 posts) -

I think having that scene in the game was a bad idea. It came off as just being really stupid. It reminds me of that scene in Star Wars Episode II where they spend a couple of minutes talking about fucking sand.  I understand the main idea behind what the scene was suppose to convey, but the end result comes off as being weird and doesn't work.

#32 Posted by SoldierG654342 (1765 posts) -

@CaLe said:

That's the most aggressive laughing I've ever heard.

#33 Posted by SirOptimusPrime (2007 posts) -

Just because something has a 'point' doesn't mean that it was executed well. You defenders talking about the awkward forcing of the laugh being the point of the scene are right, but that doesn't justify horrendous animation and bad voice work all around. The context of the scene is pretty clear as well, but that doesn't suddenly justify the overall bad quality of everything going on in that scene. If you want people to feel a connection with the characters and their emotions, animation and the way characters move is just as important as dialogue. The era FFX is in was one of the worst times for that. It's a product of the times, not some fucking existential mood piece that should be defended for reasons other than the time.

#34 Posted by Dagbiker (6976 posts) -

Because its like the opisite of floyds death scene in planetfall.

#35 Posted by Dagbiker (6976 posts) -

Coup

#36 Posted by Twinsun (476 posts) -

I actually thought it was kind of cute when I played it originally, but then again, I was actually engrossed in the story and didn't have this ironic distance from it that so many people seem to have towards everything these days.

#37 Posted by ProfessorK (824 posts) -

@Sanj said:

Because the internet.

I mean, is there any other valid answer than this?

#38 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1592 posts) -

@SoldierG654342 said:

@CaLe said:

That's the most aggressive laughing I've ever heard.

It sounds like he read the script, said "fuck this!", and they just used a sample of a crow cawing instead (to be clear, not a judgement against the game, I get that it's supposed to be weird).

#39 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

WTF is wrong with you people, this is amazing.

"Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha!"

"You probably shouldn't laugh anymore."

"HA! HA! HA! HA!"

Lmao.

#40 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

@CaLe said:

HA HA HA is funny yes? is so funny.

OMG.

I can't stop laughing.

lmao

#41 Edited by Village_Guy (2575 posts) -

I don't like it because I have always sounded horrible, I don't really care about whether it fits or it's context, the sound of it is awful D:

EDIT: Also in Japanese it sound super aggressive and in English it almost sounds like he is in pain and not laughing...

#42 Posted by Ducksworth (660 posts) -

It's not like the natural laugh and Yunna saying "too funny!" afterwards was that much better.

#43 Edited by Encephalon (1260 posts) -

It's more the schmaltzy premise of the scene itself than how it was acted. "Don't forget to smile, sometimes, even when you're down!" Blech.

I also think it was awkward to a degree beyond what the text of the scene intended.

#44 Posted by Jimbo (9809 posts) -

The premise of the scene is just awful. The voice actors do a spectacularly bad job with it of course ('Too funny!'), but no voice actors in the world could have pulled that scene out of the fire.

#45 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

@SoldierG654342 said:

@CaLe said:

That's the most aggressive laughing I've ever heard.

This is my new favorite thing on the internet. I can't seem to keep a straight face whenever I think or see this. I just burst into a snorkeling chuckle and then laugh hysterically.

#46 Edited by xyzygy (9983 posts) -

For me what makes it hilarious is that it sounds like Emilio Estevez.

Also, just the response from the rest of the party is really stupid and awkward. NOT in the manner intended. Yuna's reply is simply and straightfaced: "You probably shouldn't laugh any more."

#47 Posted by laserbolts (5321 posts) -

I like final fantasy 10 but man Tidus was a fucking annoying character.

#48 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5257 posts) -

Part if it is because it's just annoying to look at and listen to. Tidus is also an annoying character so when he does something like that it just elevates how annoying he is. I never liked Final Fantasy though. Not my thing, so I might be a bit harsh on Tidus.

#49 Edited by RedCream (705 posts) -

I loved that scene. It takes a lot more meaning when it is revealed that Yuna is destined to die.

#50 Posted by TheHT (11241 posts) -

I like awkward moments, but it's too awkward.

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