Just got FFXII

Posted by JCGamer (663 posts) -

Well after seeing some of the new videos from FFXIII, I was inspired to go out and get FFXII.  I thought--for $12.99 new, you can't go wrong.  So far, I'm 3.5+ hours into the game and from my past experiences with JRPGs, I haven't really even started the game yet.  


Anyway--what's up with the camera controls?  The camera is driving me crazy.  It has what I consider "inverted" controls where you press left and the camera swings right and when you press right, the camera swings left.  After playing a bunch of FPS's on the consoles now, I cannot stand controls like this.  First of all, it seems like a Japanese thing to do.  What's even more Japanese is you not being able to customize your controls the way you want.  Being a long time gamer, it's seems like customization and open endedness has been a hallmark of western developed games.  I first started to notice this in PC gaming, and as a kid, didn't like it too much.  I thought of western developed games as games where you could totally screw yourself and find yourself not being able to continue (see any Ultimas).  Japanese games, on-the-other-hand, seem to be designed to have everything you need around.   Today though, it seems that western developers has gotten the hang of the "not screwing you" thing and manages to provide open ended gameplay, along with mostly customizable stuff (controls, characters, etc...).  The Japanese though, makes you play the game they want you to play.  I do appreciate both, but really hate it when people make you play with jacked-up controls, and it seems like the Japanese are the primary culprits.  

Whoa, kind of got of tract there.  Well, the game seems pretty fun so far and look forward to getting some more party members and see what this battle system can do.  I've been playing DQVIII for 53+ hrs and needed a break from the old-school game design.  I guess I've always been more of a FF fan.  Well, hopefully I can finish both this and DQVIII before Infamous comes out.
#1 Posted by JCGamer (663 posts) -

Well after seeing some of the new videos from FFXIII, I was inspired to go out and get FFXII.  I thought--for $12.99 new, you can't go wrong.  So far, I'm 3.5+ hours into the game and from my past experiences with JRPGs, I haven't really even started the game yet.  


Anyway--what's up with the camera controls?  The camera is driving me crazy.  It has what I consider "inverted" controls where you press left and the camera swings right and when you press right, the camera swings left.  After playing a bunch of FPS's on the consoles now, I cannot stand controls like this.  First of all, it seems like a Japanese thing to do.  What's even more Japanese is you not being able to customize your controls the way you want.  Being a long time gamer, it's seems like customization and open endedness has been a hallmark of western developed games.  I first started to notice this in PC gaming, and as a kid, didn't like it too much.  I thought of western developed games as games where you could totally screw yourself and find yourself not being able to continue (see any Ultimas).  Japanese games, on-the-other-hand, seem to be designed to have everything you need around.   Today though, it seems that western developers has gotten the hang of the "not screwing you" thing and manages to provide open ended gameplay, along with mostly customizable stuff (controls, characters, etc...).  The Japanese though, makes you play the game they want you to play.  I do appreciate both, but really hate it when people make you play with jacked-up controls, and it seems like the Japanese are the primary culprits.  

Whoa, kind of got of tract there.  Well, the game seems pretty fun so far and look forward to getting some more party members and see what this battle system can do.  I've been playing DQVIII for 53+ hrs and needed a break from the old-school game design.  I guess I've always been more of a FF fan.  Well, hopefully I can finish both this and DQVIII before Infamous comes out.
#2 Edited by Red (5994 posts) -

FF12 is a bad game. I mean, it's got the production values, but the combat is absolutely horrible, the music forgettable, and the characters bland.

#3 Posted by REDRUN (1410 posts) -
Red said:
"FF12 is a horrible game. I mean, it's got the production values, but the combat is absolutely horrible, the music forgettable, and the characters horrible."
Red is kinda right... FF12 story-wise, its okay, but not my favorite. The gameplay mechanics wiith the exception of camera control is great. I liked it actually, becuase I played it right at the time I was playing allot of Final Fantasy Xi online. Its a MMO style play where you see the field and the enemies that populate it vs. random battles. Yes, FF12 is a terrible gateway game for the FF series, I couldn't force myself to continue playing it and went back to FFXI online. On the other hand, I do recomend Final Fantasy X. This s a much better gateway game and another great story in the series. So go get FF 10.

 Hey Red, whatcha think is a good gateway storyline?

Sign up for a Goozex account, make a request for FFX, it cost 100 points + 1 Trade token = $6.00 . It will be mailed to your home by another trader. The line in the request is short, so you should get a match insantly.
#4 Posted by Sticky_Pennies (2019 posts) -

I thought FFXII was okay. It had the most minor main character ever though. Vaan hardly ever does anything significant, and it's always one of the other party members that actually lead.

#5 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -
Red said:
"FF12 is a bad game. I mean, it's got the production values, but the combat is absolutely horrible, the music forgettable, and the characters bland."
This, plus the most uninteresting story in any JRPG ever.

On a side note, I got used to the camera controls... about 15 hours into the game.
#6 Posted by Pazy (2563 posts) -

FFXII was actually my favourite of all the FF's (well except maybe 11, but I didnt play enough of 11 since no friends played it). I like the old Final Fantasy's but I got into the characters more in 12 and I was getting done with the turn based style of jRPG's. Ive played so many jRPG's that FF12 felt like a breath of fresh air just because of the combat system.

I would be playing more of it but I got to a point where I had to do a large section without a save and kept dying right at the end, and since I left it for so long (being annoyed at dying right at the end) im now dying faster since im less "intune" with the game, though I cant wait until I get past it :)

#7 Posted by mracoon (4967 posts) -

I really enjoyed FFXII and I don't understand why people hate it so much. The series needed to evolve and that's exactly what the game provided: an updated take on a franchise that was becoming dated.

The combat was much better then the other games because I didn't have to go into a stupid loading screen before every battle and I could see my enemies before I fought them and that's if I wanted because now I actually had a choice and not an archaic random battle. Also I don't really understand the complaints with the gambits system because if you didn't like it you could just turn it off and do everything manually, the game didn't force you to use it. I thought it was a nice addition because I didn't have to worry about things like healing and I would be able to focus on actually finishing off the enemy.

I'll agree that story wasn't brilliant but it was ok. I liked the political side to it and I thought the judge characters were well developed but the plot became quite predictable by the end. The only thing I didn't like about the game was the liscence board. I prefer to have specialist character but with the board everything was too general and it was annoying if you spent liscene points to unlock a square which you found out you didn't need.

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#8 Edited by Aurelito (721 posts) -

Camera angle changes corresponding to the current implying action. You'll find it very interesting.

mracoon
said:

"I really enjoyed FFXII and I don't understand why people hate it so much. The series needed to evolve and that's exactly what the game provided: an updated take on a franchise that was becoming dated.The combat was much better then the other games because I didn't have to go into a stupid loading screen before every battle and I could see my enemies before I fought them and that's if I wanted because now I actually had a choice and not an archaic random battle. Also I don't really understand the complaints with the gambits system because if you didn't like it you could just turn it off and do everything manually, the game didn't force you to use it. I thought it was a nice addition because I didn't have to worry about things like healing and I would be able to focus on actually finishing off the enemy.I'll agree that story wasn't brilliant but it was ok. I liked the political side to it and I thought the judge characters were well developed but the plot became quite predictable by the end. The only thing I didn't like about the game was the liscence board. I prefer to have specialist character but with the board everything was too general and it was annoying if you spent liscene points to unlock a square which you found out you didn't need.
What political side of it?

#9 Posted by Kou_Leifoh (1891 posts) -

I played through FFXII and I had some fun but the story is really weak. There is never a point in the story that it gets interesting, predictable plot-twist - the guy who looks evil but says he's brings nothing but good intentions, is actually is really evil, 0_0.

The Gambit is kind of dumb, having to unlock them by leveling up and having to buy certain actions like have the A.I heals you when you lose a certain amount of health is also dumb.

There is also the progresstion, Dragon Quest VIII offer a huge, beautiful, well design, non-liner world. FFXII's world is liner, and some of it is pretty shallow.

But overall, FFXII is a okay game and I had some fun.

#10 Posted by Red (5994 posts) -

I don't see how having the same basic combat as 11, but in singleplayer was a good evolution.


At least FF13's combat looks interesting, and has enough changes to be fresh.
#11 Posted by Dan_CiTi (3236 posts) -

I like the game. It's better than FFX or VIII but not as good as VI, VII, or IX. Balthier is an amazing character. Probably my favorite FF character.

#12 Posted by Red (5994 posts) -
Dan_CiTi said:
"I like the game. It's better than FFX or VIII but not as good as VI, VII, or IX. Balthier is an amazing character. Probably my favorite FF character. "
Han Solo's my favorite Star Wars character, too.
#13 Posted by PremierOctopus (145 posts) -

I really liked it.


The star wars comment is kind of true, though parts of the first 10 hours mirror stuff that happens in the star wars movies when you think about them.
#14 Posted by Kou_Leifoh (1891 posts) -
Red said:
"Dan_CiTi said:
"I like the game. It's better than FFX or VIII but not as good as VI, VII, or IX. Balthier is an amazing character. Probably my favorite FF character. "
Han Solo's my favorite Star Wars character, too.
"
You know what? That's what Balthier reminds me of.
#15 Posted by REDRUN (1410 posts) -

LoL, Balthier is a bit of Han Solo, too much of a gentleman to think as a pirate. For some reason, he plays the shivery card real well and make it looks very cool. So does that make Fran the Chewbaca?

#16 Posted by TooWalrus (13155 posts) -
#17 Posted by Kombat (2205 posts) -

This game gets hated on.  I loved it.

#18 Posted by TooWalrus (13155 posts) -
sidescroller said:
"I really couldn't get into Final Fantasy XII.I think I'm way into the minority when I say this, but I vastly prefer turn-based combat to real-time."
Me too. I wish XIII was turn based. I'm not to excited for it, actually.
#19 Posted by REDRUN (1410 posts) -

i am pretty sure you still can pause the battle to give you time to take a break or think what move you should do next. I am actually loving the fact that there is no over-world and load into a battle field, after 100 battles, it seems quit tedious. One good thing about turn based, the animation sequence when something cool is about to happen. Playing FF XII and not having a load screen every encounter is great, also the enemies on the feild is WYSIWYG, so no surprises unless it was a true sneak attack.
This game does get allot of hate, like Kombat said, because of the real time battle mechanics. The gambit system is there to help your characters self govern their actions, this gets better as you unlock, find and purchase new gambits and slots. I tweaked my gambits to have my characters self manage battles, so I can leave a room as constant hordes of respawning enemies attack as the gambits farm EXP points and gil without me being present.

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