Would you want an HD port of FFXII ?

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#1 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -

In the wake of the God of War Collection, I thought Sony and its partners could release other PS2 games for the PS3 and get an HD makeover. Some of the later PS2 games had a really high polygon count. Such titles as Metal Gear Solid 3, Valkyrie Profile 2, Rogue Galaxy and Final Fantasy XII. These games running in 720p would looks fanfuckingtastic; I mean, just look at the treatment GoW2 received.
 
Note that three of those were either made or published by Square-Enix. Do you think it's possible that SE makes some kind of collection featuring these three games on a single blu-ray disc for $60 while giving them an HD coat of paint and trophies? Also worth pointing out: Final Fantasy XII saw all of its audio files compressed to shit in order to fit the entire game on one DVD; the game wouldn't have this problem on a dual-layered blu-ray disc. What do you guys think: would it be to SE's advantage to put out such a compilation and would you buy it? I know I certainly would.

#2 Posted by xyzygy (9953 posts) -

I have never played this, and I would love to.  
 
Aren't they doing something with Valkyrie Profile on the 360 though? Square announced a few 360 exclusive RPGs last week, and I'm pretty sure the name Valkyrie Profile was in there somewhere.

#3 Posted by Dolphin_Butter (1915 posts) -

I would, but the only problem for Square-Enix would be updating all the assets. For a title like God of War, there's Kratos, a handful of enemies and a a handful of main characters with somewhat generic looking settings. For FFXII, there's a huge world with different looking citizens in each of the towns; also, it has a huge bestiary. If it were feasible, I would want it. But not as much as your other suggestions of MGS3 and VP2.

#4 Posted by Dolphin_Butter (1915 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" I have never played this, and I would love to.   Aren't they doing something with Valkyrie Profile on the 360 though? Square announced a few 360 exclusive RPGs last week, and I'm pretty sure the name Valkyrie Profile was in there somewhere. "
Think you're referring to the rumor of a new VP game and the Breath of Fire compilation disc. As far as I remember, those were to be unveiled on Microsoft's press conference at E3. However, I wouldn't take that as 360-exclusive.
#5 Posted by xyzygy (9953 posts) -
@Sleepy_Insomniac said:
" @xyzygy said:
" I have never played this, and I would love to.   Aren't they doing something with Valkyrie Profile on the 360 though? Square announced a few 360 exclusive RPGs last week, and I'm pretty sure the name Valkyrie Profile was in there somewhere. "
Think you're referring to the rumor of a new VP game and the Breath of Fire compilation disc. As far as I remember, those were to be unveiled on Microsoft's press conference at E3. However, I wouldn't take that as 360-exclusive. "
Oh sorry, I could have swore that I heard they were only doing it for the 360 only. It was kind of confusing so yeah, maybe they are doing a multiplat thing after all.
#6 Posted by unclejohnny79 (685 posts) -

I wouldnt mind one but i think ff12 looks great as it is

#7 Posted by Symphony (1912 posts) -

It would need more than just a port job for me to want them to make it -- eg. a main character that's actually worth a damn or a better story. =/

#8 Edited by Marz (5649 posts) -

You can already kinda play it in HD

Vaan
#9 Posted by HitmanAgent47 (8576 posts) -

No, only FFX-2.

#10 Posted by KingBroly (1645 posts) -

Maybe if it included another game, say Final Fantasy X in a bundle package like the God of War Collection.  But I'm kinda hoping for a Team ICO Collection.

#11 Posted by zyn (2591 posts) -
@HitmanAgent47 said:
"No, only FFX-2."
This and also FFVIII (8) and FFX.
#12 Posted by obcdexter (592 posts) -

I'd dig that. Loved that game - highly underrated.

#13 Posted by rjayb89 (7720 posts) -

I really like FFX and FFX-2.  Not so sure about FFXII.  I need to finish that one before I entirely dismiss it as something I loathe, even though I already have numerous times.  What I would hope for is a compilation of every Final Fantasy game into one disc.  Only time will tell.

#14 Edited by KingBroly (1645 posts) -

XII was grinder's heaven.  That was its biggest problem.

#15 Edited by Lawrens (688 posts) -

Yes, I think it should be ported and enhanced in HD, I really like the art and I think SD resolution did not do it any justice:

  

I think a HD version will at least bring players the improved version of the game (zodiac job system, though not that much better than the original) and I think it's worth it just for the visuals upgrade in HD.

#16 Posted by SlasherMan (1725 posts) -
@KingBroly:  What FF game wasn't a grind? At least in XII there were no random encounters, and the combat was actually the most enjoyable in any FF game I've played.
 
BTW, if you any of you have decent machines, PCSX2 runs the game pretty well (not perfectly, the emulator still has a long way to go). You can run it in high resolutions there.
#17 Posted by wwfundertaker (1400 posts) -

Yeah that be pretty good, i seem to be thinking about FFXii a lot lately.

#18 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -
@Marz said:
" You can already kinda play it in HD "
What do you mean? The game wasn't even in 480p. 
 
@unclejohnny79 said:
" I wouldnt mind one but i think ff12 looks great as it is "
Really? I played XII on my PS3 after I got my 32" HDTV and man was that game full of jaggies and aliasing. I think it's the PS2 game that would get the most benefit out of a 720p resolution.
#19 Edited by luce (4045 posts) -

FFX and FXII HD international edition GO!...
 
no it will never happen

#20 Posted by Marz (5649 posts) -
@AuthenticM:  image i posted is a 720p shot of the game.  You just need a decent computer to play the game in HD.
#21 Posted by Burns098356GX (1366 posts) -

I hated 12.

#22 Posted by Zaapp1 (658 posts) -

Eh, the combat was kind of disconnected for me, so I wouldn't want them to waste their productivity remaking this when they could work on a new title.

#23 Posted by Demyx (3237 posts) -

If only it was the enhanced version that was only released in Japan.

#24 Posted by ZenaxPure (2569 posts) -

I would be the happiest person in the world and go dancing in the streets if 12 was brought to HD consoles, specifically for achievements.
 
I've beat the game twice, put over 200 hours into the second play through and still want more. I would love to go through it a third time but really I should be playing other games since I have so many that need to be beat, this would be the perfect excuse to go through it a third time though.  
 
Also the game looks awful on HD TVs for some reason, worse than many other pre-HD games do. I tried playing a bit of it on my current TV but everything looked so jagged and blurry.

#25 Posted by hai2u (322 posts) -

sure, if they remove vaan and penelo from the game.

#26 Posted by ChristianCastillo (1178 posts) -

I would want to see FFVII in HD first

#27 Posted by Animasta (14677 posts) -

oh god I would love it; definitely one of the better final fantasy titles I've played.

#28 Posted by Fallen189 (4989 posts) -

Captain Basch von Ronsenburg of Dalmasca in HD? Sure.

#29 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -
@ChristianCastillo said:
" I would want to see FFVII in HD first "
I think this game would look like shit in HD. All the flaws and lack of detail would be put under the spotlight for everyone to see. This game doesn't need a port, it needs to be remade from the ground-up.
 
@Demyx said:
" If only it was the enhanced version that was only released in Japan. "
Yeah, the International version would be nice. I think it allowed the player to control guest party members.
#30 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

Why the hell would you want to port it when the better Zodiac International Job System is out and no one in the Asian market even talks about the original version?
 
FF12 is dead, much like how KH and KH2 are dead, and the Final Mix+ editions are the official games now.
 
Port the IZJS version and add trophies and we got a dead.
 
Fuck no I don't want the original version of FF12 when the International version fixes so much of it and makes it one of the best games Square had ever made.

#31 Edited by Creamypies (4060 posts) -

I'd rather get an HD version of FFX.

#32 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" Why the hell would you want to port it when the better Zodiac International Job System is out and no one in the Asian market even talks about the original version?  FF12 is dead, much like how KH and KH2 are dead, and the Final Mix+ editions are the official games now.  Port the IZJS version and add trophies and we got a dead.  Fuck no I don't want the original version of FF12 when the International version fixes so much of it and makes it one of the best games Square had ever made. "
I love how you grab every chance you get to show off how much you "know stuff" from Japan. If you'd bother to read the thread you'd find that I never explicitly said I wanted a port of the "original" and that further in I said it'd actually be great if we got the International version. You're just a pretentious little kid who's a nuisance and who should shut up.
#33 Posted by animateria (3252 posts) -

Yes, I'm playing FFXII on my PS3, and it's painful to watch. It might be because it's not emulating properly (I have the later ones with software emulation), but man...
 
It's still a blast to play at least.

#34 Posted by Brunchies (2484 posts) -

They could do a port of fan favorites Final Fantasies and remaster them in HD, that would be a cool idea.

#35 Posted by Hailinel (24431 posts) -

Honestly, the game looks good enough as it is.  I don't necessarily crave an HD port.

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#36 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -
@Hailinel said:
" Honestly, the game looks good enough as it is.  I don't necessarily crave an HD port. "
But did you play it on your PS3 hooked up to an HDTV? Because in my opinion, the game looks very far from "good".
#37 Posted by Computerplayer1 (991 posts) -

Hell no lol. 12 was awful. It was barely FF.

#38 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -
@Computerplayer1 said:
" Hell no lol. 12 was awful. It was barely FF. "
I take it you're refering to the "offline mmo" aspect of the game. I get where you're coming from but I wouldn't classify XII as being "awful" and it felt very Final Fantasy-ish to me.
#39 Posted by Hailinel (24431 posts) -
@AuthenticM said:
" @Hailinel said:
" Honestly, the game looks good enough as it is.  I don't necessarily crave an HD port. "
But did you play it on your PS3 hooked up to an HDTV? Because in my opinion, the game looks very far from "good". "
No, I play my PS2 games on my PS2 because I don't trust my PS3's backwards compatibility.
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#40 Posted by trlbaron (35 posts) -

@ AuthenticM  Do you think it's possible that SE makes some kind of collection featuring these three games on a single blu-ray disc for $60 while giving them an HD coat of paint and trophies?  
 
Not a chance.  It would be amazing for them to do such a beautiful act of fan-service, but they're more likely to release them as separate Special Editions with an in-disc soundtrack, art stills, and making-of vids.
The HD-ifiying part isn't that difficult.  All they need to do in re-output their texture files at a higher resolution based off of the original high-rez PSD files.  The models have a decent poly-count, so just resaving those original textures from 512x512 to even 1028x1028 would make a huge graphical difference.  The main issue is that a ton of the programming code would have to be altered to fit the PS3 framework.

#41 Posted by Deusoma (3006 posts) -

I didn't like it to begin with. Least favourite game in the whole series, minus Crystal Chronicles but that one doesn't count anyway. 
 
Now Okami, on the other hand, I would totally love to see in HD.

#42 Edited by lightsoda (540 posts) -

Just the mere thought of how much work you'd have to put in to make everything HD in a game like FFXII, is really daunting. 
 
I wish.

#43 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -
@trlbaron said:
" The main issue is that a ton of the programming code would have to be altered to fit the PS3 framework. "
But it wouldn't take that much time to retouch the code, no? I'm talking about a couple of months at plus. I doubt it would take more than a year to do so and I'm sure a small team would be able to pull it off. In the end, if the game/compilation sells, I think it would be quite the financial interest to release such a product.
#44 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@AuthenticM: You do know I live in Japan, and work with voice actresses and actors right?  I speak Japanese fluently along with Arabic, Urdu, and Hindi.  I'm blunt as fuck and it's how I got the job I worked for.  I also bet I'm older than you.  :)
#45 Posted by trlbaron (35 posts) -
@AuthenticM:   But it wouldn't take that much time to retouch the code, no? I'm talking about a couple of months at plus. I doubt it would take more than a year to do so and I'm sure a small team would be able to pull it off. In the end, if the game/compilation sells, I think it would be quite the financial interest to release such a product. 
 
Actually, refurbishing the code could take enough man-hours to make the project less than profitable for SE.  I don't know what the structure is for the code in its native PS2 environment and what that would entail to make it run properly in the PS3 architecture, though.  But there are a lot of graphical specifications for even just character & stage models that differ greatly between platforms.
But you never know.  If enough time passes, the demand is sure to rise too.  Especially as folks begin cleaning house and dumping their old machines.   I would bet more on an FFX port first, though.   Since they've had FFIX out on PSN here in Japan for a few weeks, SE may be working their way toward it.
#46 Posted by AuthenticM (3718 posts) -
@trlbaron said:
" I would bet more on an FFX port first, though. Since they've had FFIX out on PSN here in Japan for a few weeks, SE may be working their way toward it. "
But Final Fantasy X in HD would look kinda weird. The game is in 4:3 and I don't know if it would be possible to put it in 16:9 seeing as the camera is fixed and a panoramic view would probably reveal glitches and unfinished textures and whatnot. I think it would make more sense to put out FFX on PSN once Sony finally decides to put out PS2 games on it.
#47 Posted by eightbit (123 posts) -

I don't think they could do it and turn a profit, or at least the profit that they'll want for such an undertaking.  FFXII is one of my favorites, especially because when I started it, I was certain I would hate it, but by the time I had a hold of the system, it was great.  Main problem I had with the game was the voicing, as it was encoded at such a rate that it was tinny and didn't match the high-quality graphics or music.  Besides that, it's a beautiful PS2 game.  I think I read somewhere that there were restrictions in data space that led to the voices sounding tinny.  I also thought the acting was quality.
 
I'd like to see this and FFX up on PSN if they ever find a way to get PS2 games on there.  Of course, I already own them, but I think others would definitely like to give it a go if it was only a download away.

#48 Posted by Karkarov (3081 posts) -

I will weigh in with.... No, this would be a waste of time and effort.  It isn't even one of the best selling FF games and historically not one of the most popular in the series.

#49 Posted by Shadow71 (191 posts) -

I hate to say it, but I would probably buy any HD port of this game regardless of plans to replay it. I remember playing it just earlier this year in late 2009/early 2010 and while it was super tough to go back to PS2 graphics, eventually you start to appreciate just how well crafted everything is, and what great art direction they had. I would love to see this game in HD.

#50 Posted by YoctoYotta (541 posts) -

The more PS2/XBOX era HD re-releases, the better. I just hope publishers don't get the bright idea of releasing games individually, at least for anything more than $20 or so. And I expect Nintendo to do the same with a lot of their series whenever they decide to enter the 21st century.

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