5 Things You Will Hate And Need To Know

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#1 Posted by ShinjiEx (625 posts) -

 

1) No towns: There is not a single city in the game. There are no stopping places. No Inns. There are no hamlets, burgs or villages. This is a huge change from the previous open-world style FF action you're used to --and a change from most RPGs, actually. In almost all previous Final Fantasy games going back to the ancient Final Fantasy 1 in the 1980s, you'd enter a homebase style town and work outward from their.

Which brings us to the second thing you'll hate about Final Fantasy XIII...

2)It's Very Linear: Final Fantasy XIII is not entirely on a track, but for the first 25 hours(!) or so, you're going to be moving in a straight line, forward. This, of course, propels the action nicely, but doesn't appeal to gamers who like to feel like they're gaming in the "real" world with limitless possibilities and options. I guess those people can suffer through 25 hours of playing to get to the "good part."

3) No mini-games: There are no arena battles, no Blitz-ball, no Card Battles, none of that stuff on the side that can be a nice break from the main plotline. With fans devoting themselves to minutia of past games' mini-games, this is a big, infuriating change.

4) Little equipment: You're not going to find a huge variety of weapons in Final Fantasy XIII, and there is no armor at all, so if gearing up is your passion, you're going to be hating on this game--There's just not a lot of stuff to purchase. There are items that you can use to level up the weapons that you do have, but not a lot of weapon variety, another huge change from previous gear-heavy FF games.

5) It's on the 360: This is the first Final Fantasy game for the 360 so lucky number 13 is bound to anger console purists who feel that the Final Fantasy universe belongs only to Sony console owners.

Lest we be accused of always looking on the negative side of things, check back on Wednesday, where we'll detail the five things gamers will absolutely love about Final Fantasy XIII. And for more bile-inducing Final Fantasy anger, check back tomorrow when we'll have a side-by-side video comparison of the 360 and PS3 versions of the game for you to enjoy, dissect and argue over.


From G4TV X-Play

I'm a personal longtime fan of the series and I can't wait to play Final Fantasy XIII

Change is not to be feared

#2 Posted by Dizzyhippos (1637 posts) -

1) so what?
2) that sounds like a jrpg alright
3) never do them
4) worked for mass effect 2

#3 Edited by DeShawn2ks (1058 posts) -
@Dizzyhippos said:

"1) so what? 
 2) that sounds like a jrpg alright 
 3) never do them 
 4) worked for mass effect 2 "
 
Agree with everything he said but will be getting it on PS3.

#4 Posted by onimonkii (2467 posts) -

more like list of things you don't mind and already knew.
 
i love how people jump in their shit for making all these changes, but then jump in everyone else's shit for being the same old same old jrpg formula. make up your fucking minds.

#5 Posted by ryoma122 (699 posts) -

1: ok ill get over it 
2: yup that sounds like final fantasy alright (anything 10 and after)
3: well niether did 12 and i stil managed to make my way through that 
4: ok sounds like 8 lol 
5: well i wanna get the 360 version just to be a rebel (but i dont have a 360) 

#6 Posted by Skeetlejuice (67 posts) -

.... 
 13. lucky it is not as 13 most commonly is the number of death, a big reason why apartment buildings scam tenants into believing 14 is not 13 :P 
   
reasons why i do not care about all the twisted up underwear and all the consumption of hatoraide in and about the reviews... 
  
1. got a sweet trade in deal on some games i was done with 
2. fang 
3. fang's eidolon is bahamut (who is my favorite) 
4. thinking about lulu from x and all the haters at that time and that game was super linear and i enjoyed it and i thought blitzball was lame and didn't play it much so there xplay 
5. I hear szah has many great lines 
6. for all the smack talk of the xbox version having more lightning inner thigh on their box cover it appears we(ps3) are the ones that will actually see it in gameplay and cutscene(576p HD lite on 360 still better than nothing)  
7. production values, graphics, cutscenes, and fully realized characters look incredible(from what i have seen) despite your opinions on japanese conventions on hair, clothes, gender identity, dialogue 
8. lightning... but more so fang.  
9. battle looks fun and very deep 
10. long story led adventure with tons of gameplay which will be good after playing heavy rain(was great and different) and having god of war 3 coming up  (as those are in the ballpark of 10-12 hours vs 50+)
11. did i mention fang and bahamut and comic relief by szah with UNBELIEVABLE production values??? 
 
things i'm concerned about ... 
growing to like leona lewis songs by proxy
kevin van ord's warnings of vanille being annoying as all hell 
getting into nerd or general conversations having to talk about ffxiii and it's merits or flaws... i don't care I will be picking it up tomorrow morning and i know that i will enjoy it.  
 
do i expect it to be my favorite ff game? no it might be but i do expect it to have an engaging world a cool story great battle system some characters that grab me right off the cuff and the most impressive visuals and presentations in any jrpg thus far, and while I have respect for western rpgs, I like FF and DW/Q and besides my room mate picked up mass effect 2 and dragon age(on ps3 ;) got better reviews than 360) and he will likely pick up awakening and well I get to play those games and save money, he doesn't like jrpg's so i couldn't get him to play FF13 even if it got 10s hehe. Quote "I would pick it up even if it got 7's" in regards to me2, the first mass effect was one of his favorite games, and that's my point it doesn't matter what other people like or their preferences (unless your getting them a gift) it matters what you like.   

#7 Posted by dietmango (1667 posts) -
@Skeetlejuice: Yeah, Leona Lewis on Final Fantasy...doesn't really fit. I mean, it's not a bad song, just, I don't know. And from watching some vids already, I already find Vanille's voice annoying. So I may or may not agree with what Kevin Van Ord said. Lol at #5; definitely. I like Sazh's ENG voice actor. I think he might turn out to be my favorite FFXIII character.
 
I'm eventually going to pick this up on the PS3. The changes don't really affect me much or anything. I'm probably sort of disappointed with some of it, but that's not going to stop me from purchasing it. Even with the super-linear approach and the lack of towns, or anything else everybody is crying foul about, I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy this game as a whole anyway.
#8 Posted by Sagata (2 posts) -

1) Its something new.  
2) All Final Fantasy games are linear. Its a JRPG and that should be expected. 
3) I hated the mini-games. 
4) Probably has a different system like every other game.  
5) Really? You must be stupid. Final Fantasy started on the NES, and continued to the SNES. The remakes of those games are on the DS and gameboy advance. You point here for being a "Sony" purist for the FF series, is null and void. 

#9 Edited by FunExplosions (5407 posts) -
@ShinjiEx: Kids posting above are fucking ridiculous. Don't worry. Real people read your post, too, and got its actual message. Thanks for the heads up. Now I'll know what not to be bummed out about when I get it. Makes it better, if anything.
#10 Posted by Turambar (6924 posts) -

But I don't have any 5 of them.

#11 Posted by Andorski (5393 posts) -

Looks like this thread flew over the heads of a few people here.

#12 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

I like 2, 4 and 5 and don't care about 1 and 3.

#13 Posted by GunstarRed (5544 posts) -

 I don't really mind and of those five changes.
#14 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (4779 posts) -

I think I love the fact it has no mini games, I HATED useless card games, shits ball and other mini games in past final fantasies.

#15 Posted by ZenaxPure (2569 posts) -

So I have plunged about 2 and a half hours into it now and honestly the internet has disappointed me (not surprising I guess since people like to overblow shit). To be fair this could drastically change as I continue on but so far the game has not been as "linear" as many people have described it.  
 
Yes you are going from point a to point b and yes there is only one way to get there but a lot of reviews have basically described it as you could hold down the analog stick and get where you are going. So far this is not really true, yes you aren't going to get lost but there are plenty of nooks and crannies to throw you off the main path where treasure chests and more enemies (! combat is quite engaging so far, so I have been going out of my way to fight everything) so moving around dungeons isn't as straight forward and boring as many folks would like you to believe. Though like I've said I have only been to a few areas so far this structure could sway in either direction.

#16 Posted by Jiggah (308 posts) -
@Zenaxzd said:
" So I have plunged about 2 and a half hours into it now and honestly the internet has disappointed me (not surprising I guess since people like to overblow shit). To be fair this could drastically change as I continue on but so far the game has not been as "linear" as many people have described it.   Yes you are going from point a to point b and yes there is only one way to get there but a lot of reviews have basically described it as you could hold down the analog stick and get where you are going. So far this is not really true, yes you aren't going to get lost but there are plenty of nooks and crannies to throw you off the main path where treasure chests and more enemies (! combat is quite engaging so far, so I have been going out of my way to fight everything) so moving around dungeons isn't as straight forward and boring as many folks would like you to believe. Though like I've said I have only been to a few areas so far this structure could sway in either direction. "
Not really.  It's freaking linear just as RE5 was linear.  All FFs have been pretty linear, but they at least give a decent amount of illusion that you have some freedom, that's not  the case with this game thus far and 25-30 hours to get to the point where you actually explore the world is pretty freaking ridiculous.
 
I really wish they had taken 12 and made it much bigger and more detailed.  It had by far the best battle system with an intelligent way to handle your party members indirectly and still give you a hands-on approach.  The GRIN FFXII spin-off looked extremely interesting.  I'm hoping it's still alive.
#17 Posted by lucas_kelly (769 posts) -

If you are looking for a traditional type RPG, I suggest you play Lost Odyssey. FF XIII is very different from previous games.

#18 Edited by ShinjiEx (625 posts) -

To Point out G4TV X-Play still gave the game 4 out of 5 ^_^

#19 Posted by StaticFalconar (4850 posts) -

1.) Eh, there are ways to work around having towns. Usually hate going up to every NPC and talking to them just to not miss out on anything anyway. 
2.) Did no one play Final Fantasy X? Same linear shit was there too. As long as I eventually get my airship and shit gets all free roaming by the end of the game I';ll be happy since its been that way for a while.
3.) Yeah, kinda sad by that since a good chunk of my time with any rpgs is the side stuff. 
4.) I'm fine by that, as long you can still customize your character's skills and such 
5.) Wah, wa? fanboy much?

#20 Posted by Rhaknar (5939 posts) -

please dont make topics assuming you are god and everyone thinks like you

#21 Posted by nywt (440 posts) -

1. I'm glad. I don't want to have to keep going back to town to finish quests or buy equipment or anything of the sort. 
2. Super glad. I play JRPGs when I want a more linear game that just takes we along for the story without too much in the way of distractions. 
3. I have only played a few Final Fantasy games (IV, X, XII) and I couldn't even tell you if any of those had mini-games. I don't play RPGs of any kind for the mini-games. 
4. This seems like my only complaint. The thing I love about RPGs is collecting loot and outfitting my characters how I want to. I felt this was a step back in Mass Effect 2 and I feel the same here. 
5. I own both an Xbox 360 and PS3 but I will definitely be buying it on the PS3. Not because I'm biased to one system over the other (in fact, every cross platform game I own is on the 360 simply because of Xbox Live and points, so this is a departure for me) but because every review I have read says that the PS3 version is the superior version. It has better compression on all the in game cinematics  and only one disc. However, if I didn't own a PS3 I would gladly buy it for the Xbox and probably enjoy it just as much. 

#22 Posted by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -
@Rhaknar said:
" please dont make topics assuming you are god and everyone thinks like you "
You should give reading the opening post a go instead of making kneejerk posts assuming the poster assumes they're god and everyone thinks like them. You might have noticed they're just pointing towards an outside article and are actually excited for FF13!
#23 Edited by Deadmanforking (580 posts) -

  What, fuck Sony! I'm still pissed Sony got this seris! FINAL FANTASY IS NINTENDO ALL THE WAY!!! FUCK SONY!!!!  
(Just so people know, I am being sarcastic, some people on the internet don't really seem to understand sarcasm...) 

#24 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -

Ummmm, isn't this just a post of an article from another site, not by the member?  The last 2 lines is by the member?  Why are people attacking the OP?  Am I the one missing the point? 
 
I will wait until I buy a PS3 and get the only version worth owning - just my opinion.  I don't think this game will rate anywhere near the top of my favourite games list and I don't think I am going to like the "no towns".  The linear aspect doesn't bother me in the slightest.  In fact, I still like linear RPGs.

#25 Posted by gosukiller (2325 posts) -

As a Nintendo fanboy I am very pissed they are bringing out a FF on a Sony system. WTH Square?!

#26 Posted by CaptainObvious (3000 posts) -

I don't mind these.

#27 Posted by skrutop (3615 posts) -

Right, because Sony is the only company that's ever had a Final Fantasy game on its consoles.  Oh wait...

#28 Posted by Huey2k2 (492 posts) -
@ShinjiEx said:
5) It's on the 360: This is the first Final Fantasy game for the 360 so lucky number 13 is bound to anger console purists who feel that the Final Fantasy universe belongs only to Sony console owners.
Ugh, I hate it when people say this. I wonder if people who say this kind of crap realise that FF games actually started on Nintendo systems? Anyone who seriously think that FF is a Sony exclusive thing is dumb.
 
I have a 360 and a PS3 and am going to go pick up my PS3 copy today, and anyone that thinks that the 360 doesn't deserve FF or something stupid like that is absolutely retarded.
#29 Posted by Vager (1654 posts) -

Man; 1, 2 and 4 are some of the big reasons why I like RPGs. 
I never liked the Final Fantasy series; the only one I've ever liked was Mystic Quest. 
I've always found JRPG stories to be weird and go overboard with drama and stereotypes. 
Even still I temped to buy it.. 
God damn, it's frustrating wanting to buy and play a game, knowing your most likely not going to like it.

#30 Posted by nanikore (2740 posts) -
@Skeetlejuice said:
" ....  13. lucky it is not as 13 most commonly is the number of death "
YEAH AND IT TOTALLY WASN'T SARCASM
#31 Posted by championfetus (252 posts) -
@ryoma122 said:

2: yup that sounds like final fantasy alright (anything 10 and after)

 11 was an MMO and 12 was extremely open to exploration
#32 Posted by Demyx (3237 posts) -

The only thing that might actually bother me would be the lack of equipment, but it was alright in Mass Effect 2, I can deal with it again. The lack of mini games is fine with me. I never really enjoyed them, especially blitzball....

#33 Edited by haggis (1677 posts) -

I'm not sure there's really a conflict between saying that JRPGs don't really innovate enough, and then complaining about all the things they ripped out. There could be, but from my perspective I just wish they'd kept a lot of the things they ripped out, and changed the story dynamic and got rid of the cliched JRPG characters in the game. I have the same qualms about western RPGs like Mass Effect 2. They took out too much of the RPG stuff, in my opinion. I'd be happier with something in-between. But FF13 doesn't look like a bad game at all, just not what I generally like in an RPG. If they had made different decisions ... I probably would have considered it.
 
Still, none of the things on this list were unknown. And who complains about a game because it's no longer an exclusive? Do people not remember that Final Fantasy was originally on the NES, and not a Sony platform? Anyway, if you're buying a cross-platform game, and have both consoles, it only makes sense you buy it on the lead platform. That's usually the 360 these days, but FF13 was lead on PS3, so if you're lucky enough to have both consoles, it makes sense to buy it for the PS3.

#34 Posted by bhhawks78 (1209 posts) -

1.  Most of the cast besides the black guy with the afro is creepy and androngynus
2.  If you play it and say anything other than zomg greatest game ever you will get flamed 
3.  It's a FF game post 6 so you know the story will be cliche and bad at best

#35 Posted by dietmango (1667 posts) -
@ShinjiEx said:
" To Point out G4TV X-Play still gave the game 4 out of 5 ^_^ "
Lol they did? With their 5 points (as you listed above), it doesn't sound like a 4/5. They more like criticized it than praised it. Eh I don't pay attention to G4 anyway.
#36 Posted by mistafish (2 posts) -

i dont really mind any of those changes... i HATED the side crap anyway so thats a plus for me

#37 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -
@asian_pride said:
They more like criticized it than praised it.
This is true for a significant portion of the reviews. "There are dozens upon dozens of things wrong with this game. But because of the high production values and peer pressure, we'll give this a high rating".
#38 Posted by Fallen189 (5063 posts) -

This is a terrible thread.

#39 Posted by nukesniper (1312 posts) -

#5: Final Fantasy will always be a Nintendo game to me. 

#40 Posted by wwfundertaker (1408 posts) -

Its trying to appeal to a new fan base. Look at FFXII, people liked it or hated it.

#41 Edited by Stang (4726 posts) -
@ShinjiEx: Got a nice laugh at point 5. Here is a nice little piece of info I will share with you, FF started out as a Nintendo exclusive. I know, mind blown.
 
edit
 
I guess there was a buttload of sarcasm in the op that I entirely missed.
#42 Posted by sickVisionz (1268 posts) -

Towns in JRPGs suck imo.  All they are is a collection of these things 

  • Little girl running around, "I can't find my cat"
  • Little boy running around, "Have you seen my sister?  She's looking for our cat."
  • Poor person, "Rich people are so mean to us."
  • Rich person, "I wish the poor would leave this city."
  • Random person, "this town is great"
  • Random person, "You're new here and [insert random odd statement about the plot that would be weird to tell a perfect stranger]"
  • Random person, "One day I will leave this town."
I say good riddance to that.  The stuff always sucked, but might be more interesting if they made it a cutscene.  The only good thing about towns is that stores are there. 
 
2 & 4, are things that Mass Effect 2 did but were praised for.  Linearity isn't a bad thing.  The first RPGs I played were JRPGs so I never really agreed with the, "not open world = crap by default" mindset that others have.  Even my favorite WRPGs (KOTOR2 + BioWare games) are linear. 
 
3.  The loss of minigames isn't a big deal to me. 
 
5. Isn't worth mentioning.
#43 Posted by Burntlettuce (98 posts) -

The only thing on your list I really care about is the armor. I just like having to shift through mads amount of armor, one of the reasons I like FF9 so much. But I do not see why you made this thread, anyone who was going to play FFXIII already knew every single point you made. I know you may feel the need to stroke your e-peen about all the "knowledge" you may have on the game, but try to give us something we haven't know for the past 3 months. 

#44 Posted by Toms115 (2317 posts) -

the mini games were always just a pretty way to waste time.

#45 Posted by Addfwyn (1953 posts) -

1)   No big deal really, the game's design doesn't really leave room for town exploration.  You just save time by not having filler to do (going through the town talking to every NPC 3 times to trigger a story action) 
2)  Not the first linear game ever made, in fact every JRPG is pretty linear.  It's been said before, FFXIII just removes the illusion of choice, you never actually had choice.  Nobody complains that a game like Uncharted 2 is super linear, because it is a quality of that genre of game.  Well, JRPGs are linear, quality of the genre.  It opens up a lot at chapter 11 anyway, if you are really worried about it. 
3) Yeah, I miss Triple Triad.  Oh well, I don't play FF games for the minigames anyway. 
4)  So?  Customization is about your skills, not your equipment.  I take it you never played FFX, which has a very similar equipment customization level. 
5)  Um, who cares?  Seriously?  I play it on my PS3, it does not diminish my enjoyment to know that people are playing it on the 360.

#46 Posted by ArchScabby (5809 posts) -

1)  It's Final Fantasy
 
Don't need five reasons to hate it.

#47 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

Wait... so basically you're saying it's not even an RPG anymore?

#48 Edited by Aus_azn (2224 posts) -
@ShinjiEx said:


5) It's on the 360: This is the first Final Fantasy game for the 360 so lucky number 13 is bound to anger console purists who feel that the Final Fantasy universe belongs only to Sony console owners.

Not a rationale for complaint. Especially the console thing. True FF purists will know that the series got its start on Nintendo systems.
#49 Posted by TheHT (11995 posts) -

lol @ all the people hating on this game for the same lame-o reasons.

#50 Edited by Beforet (2941 posts) -

1)It's strange, but I'll get used to it. Though I will miss the pointless banter with the NPCs that pace around the same area the entire game.
2)I'm okay with linear. A good linear game is better than a game with badly shoehorned open world stuff, and most of the other Final Fantasy games (past VII, pretty sure 1-6 were a good deal different) were linear for the first chunk as well.
3)No chocobo riding? =(
4)Aww, I liked buying new equipment every time I got to a new town. But I'll manage
5)What? Why would I be upset by that? More people that get to play it the better.
 
Overall, not much to hate here.

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