Are battle mechanics unveiled too slowly?

#1 Posted by WalkerTR77 (1352 posts) -

I'm in the minority as I feel they were just about right (though maybe could have been a little sooner), and I was given the right amount of time with each new mechanic to get used to it before another layer of complexity was added on. And the system is complex, if I had access to all of those systems in the first hour I would have had a fucking stroke.  Brad has been pretty vocal on this issue in the review and the bombcast but personally I feel the game isn't any worse for rolling out it's features gradually.  
My only real gripe is with the party selection, even when you have 4 party members you can't choose between them in the first 20 hours, and some stages of the game are more egregious in this respect than others especially as you have to ensure not to focus too much on some characters as you can be left being forced to use underpowered characters which you have neglected.
#2 Posted by KarlPilkington (2684 posts) -

I agree with you and think that the mechanics were given out at the right times, if they gave you what you had at the end, right at the beginning then I believe that would have been very confusing and difficult to understand.

#3 Posted by Tebbit (4449 posts) -

I never found it too bad that you couldn't use some characters at certain times. I mean, they accumulate the experience that you are getting anyway, so you just need to remember to spend it on them once you get them back in your party. It's so much better than the old FF's where say I would leave Tifa out of my team, and all the game does is increase her level every so often. 
 
I am with you on the slow rollout. Some reviewers, including Brad, seemed to feel that everything became available to you too slowly, but I really didn't have a problem with it at all. Sure, they could have unloaded everything onto you in the first couple of hours, and I probably could have lived with it, but it was just as good to have them gradually give you more and more control. Maybe I just enjoy games that move a little slower, but I thought the pacing throughout was excellent, and it never dragged thanks to the storyline and interesting characters, and the battle system even in its initial form is enjoyable enough that it keeps you engaged until the next layer of it is revealed. 
 
But then again I don't get A LOT of common criticisms of this game, for me it's the best Final Fantasy since 10, and easily one of my favorites of the entire series.

#4 Posted by WalkerTR77 (1352 posts) -
@Tebbit:
I'm with you on those points especially with unused characters still earning CP, I remember being around 9 years old when playing FF8 and when the time came to use an all female party they were vastly underleved ( as a result of me not wanting to play as girls which is pretty immature even for a 9 year old) and as such 13 made a big improvement. I would have like to switch party members during battle as you could in FF10 though.
#5 Posted by KingBroly (1645 posts) -

I didn't like that I couldn't control who was on my Battle Team when I had more than 3 characters at once, which went on for a good 3 chapters.  They had no reason to not give me control when I was in a situation like that.

#6 Posted by Lautaro (448 posts) -

Man let me tell you about the other possibility aka Resonance of Fate. Holy shit that game just chucks you into a reasonably complex battle system with nothing. All the tutorials are optional and even then they aren't great. Even though i'm liking the game, I much prefer the way FF13 did things. 

#7 Posted by Tebbit (4449 posts) -
@WalkerTR77 said:
" @Tebbit: I'm with you on those points especially with unused characters still earning CP, I remember being around 9 years old when playing FF8 and when the time came to use an all female party they were vastly underleved ( as a result of me not wanting to play as girls which is pretty immature even for a 9 year old) and as such 13 made a big improvement. I would have like to switch party members during battle as you could in FF10 though. "
Yeah, I miss that feature from FF10. It was so awesome!
#8 Posted by ZenaxPure (2569 posts) -

It just feels like your topic is a bit vague. What exactly do you mean by "battle mechanics"? Because on the technical side all actual mechanics in battle are available after the first half an hour (minus summons) it just constantly builds by unlocking new things for you to do. And that is a classic game design choice. Look at Zelda, you get the combat mechanics from the start but as you progress through the game your options for killing dudes and solving puzzles increase. Or a game like Mass Effect where you are shooting dudes from the start but skills are unlocked as you go via the skill trees. FF13 is no different from that.  
 
If you just mean general game mechanics (like not upgrading weapons till chapter 4 or whenever) then yeah some things are slow but there are story purposes for 90% of the stuff people say is rolled out slowly, and I wouldn't have it any other way personally. Being able to customize your battle team in chapters before 10 just didn't make sense, there was no reason for it, as an example.

#9 Posted by PAJ89 (91 posts) -

I think they were rolled out too slow. Not saying having everything within the first few hours would be wise (and as someone said the story dictates when certain things are introduced), but considering the way the game plays out - with battling the only real deviation from story progressing segments - parts of the early game were very boring for me. As for the party limitations on switching, it sounds like a drag, but it didn't bother me too much. The only time I really bothered to switch party members and come up with specific paradigms were all for late-game enemies and bosses where the restriction was already lifted.

#10 Posted by Mo0 (64 posts) -

The problem isn't so much with the mechanics getting introduced, it gets that out of the way within the first 5 or 6 hours.  The issue is that after that you spend FOREVER with non-complicated battle after non-complicated battle.  The changing of which characters you have seems to be an attempt at making you switch up your strategies, but the fights themselves never feel like they're getting difficult during that part.  It basically turns into COM/RAV/RAV or COM/RAV and then switch to a medic for waaaaay too long.
 
The battle system is dealt out fine, but it takes too long for the game to make you feel like you're not having your hand held.
 
I hope that makes sense! :(

#11 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -

HELL YES
 
Its the reason I quit this game.
 
Jesus christ, Square Enix your audience isn't comprised solely of the mentally ill.

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