I was just thinking about the new xbox update, with the ability to copy games to the hard-drive.
I was wondering if this will work like pc games with multiple disks, maybe we will only have to have disk 1 in.
Im not bothered anyway because its gonna be like a 40 hour+ game, im not sooooo lazy that i cant change a disk every 10 hours (they will prob have the same achievements as lost odysey, completed disk 1 etc).
But yeah i was just thinking about it so i posted it...........YOUR THOUGHTS
Final Fantasy XIII
Game » consists of 17 releases. Released Mar 09, 2010
This entry into the Final Fantasy universe is set in the worlds of Pulse and Cocoon. Players take control of multiple characters who are caught in a war between these worlds.
Maybe we wont be disk swapping on the 360.
"I was just thinking about the new xbox update, with the ability to copy games to the hard-drive.Ah! Good point. That would be a lot of data on the HDD though. Let's hope you have the 120 GB, because you're not going any higher than that! =P The one thing I'm concerned about with the 360 version, though, is that they'll compress all of the CG cutscenes so much they'll lose some of their splendor.
I was wondering if this will work like pc games with multiple disks, maybe we will only have to have disk 1 in.
Im not bothered anyway because its gonna be like a 40 hour+ game, im not sooooo lazy that i cant change a disk every 10 hours (they will prob have the same achievements as lost odysey, completed disk 1 etc).
But yeah i was just thinking about it so i posted it...........YOUR THOUGHTS"
I'm getting it on PS3, so I could care less either way.
@ Mourne. I think disk changing as crazy as it sounds does affect the gameplay for a good reason. You have a sense of accomplishment of finishing that disk, and as FF VII VIII and IX even Lost odysey, Usually at the end of a disk a epic cutscene happens that is a major plot device for the story.
It kind of takes me out of the experience if something awesome just happened and now that's followed up by a "Please insert disk 2" screen. Would be nice if they allowed for the option to install it on the hard drive and make it so that only one of the disks is need to recognize that you own the game. other than that, I think the two versions will be very similar.
"@ Mourne. I think disk changing as crazy as it sounds does affect the gameplay for a good reason. You have a sense of accomplishment of finishing that disk, and as FF VII VIII and IX even Lost odysey, Usually at the end of a disk a epic cutscene happens that is a major plot device for the story."Heh, you do bring up a great point there. I was talking to my friend about this just a few minutes ago and we came to discover that that is what's missing from most modern RPG's. Back in the olden days, you could know how far people have gotten without spoiling them by just asking what disc they were on, but now, you have to get into spoiler territory by asking what the last event was, or if this occured, or if that occurred, etc.
So, yeah, I'd definitely agree with that. Good thinking.
I do wanna note that the huge FFX was only one PS2 disc, so FFXIII honestly may not exceed two dual-layer DVD-ROM's. FFX was a really big game, and while I do expect FFXIII to far exceed that, I can't see it pushing us all the way to four discs. Four seems pretty standard, but I would be more willing to bet on two minimum and three maximum.
It's anybody's guess at this point, though.
Microsoft better lower the price of the 120GB HDD when the dashboard update comes out. The price of the 120 is ridiculous right now.
" Microsoft better lower the price of the 120GB HDD when the dashboard update comes out. The price of the 120 is ridiculous right now."Agreed.
They did say that they would focus on compressing the data. Hopefully it'll be compressed enough for one disc, but if it surpasses that I can live by swapping discs. I don't really have the space for so many GB's left in my 20 GB HDD, though I do have like 7 GB.
Depends, I don't really care about swapping the disks but thats due to my current setup, not really a pain. However, if compressing the files to try and fit everything on one disc takes down the quality of the game I would say don't do it. I would rather have the game look really good when on several disks compared to less quality if put on one disc. Sorry if this last part doesn't make a lot of sense.
I don't know i agree with Moe and Mourne, i think that disk swapping makes it more epic plus it brings a competitive side to RPGs without relieving plot.
Examples
1. This one time when i was playing a FF game, my friend asked me if i got past the part where ___ died (It starts with an A) and i was like dang couldn't you have asked me what disk i was on?
2. My roommate and i where playing Lost Odyssey at the same time when he was on disk 4 i was on disk 2 and it made me feel like i needed to get going.
it will prolly be like 4-5 discs due the large amount of cgi scenes.
That would be like changing disc every 8-10 hours or so? And with each swap i would just delete the previous install and install the current disc to my HDD.
no problemo, alrdy superhappy FF13 is coming to my 360 :)
I wouldn't be suprised if XIII was the first game to exceed a single dual-layer blu ray on the PS3. Bear in mind that MGS4 takes up almost the entire disc. There will obviously be a hell of a lot more audio and high def video in XIII than MGS4, and Squenix havn't been shy of spanning multiple discs in the past - so why try to compromise now? Either that or get Sony to allow them to ship on a quad-layer blu ray.
There is no way they're going to manage to fit the game on a single dual layer DVD. It's going to be a minimum of 4 discs, they probably wont want to exceed this though, but 4 is acceptable as Lost Odyssey has shown. The 360 update isn't going to stop you swapping discs, none of the video content, and probably none of the audio content will be saved to the HDD - and thats where the bulk of the disc space will be going. Also, I wouldn't expect the same resolution of CGI cutscenes on the 360 either. Their first priority is going to be to avoid lowering the resolution of textures so the ingame graphical quality isn't affected in a noticeable way- followed by audio which will probably take a hit compression wise, then the video is probably the least important when it comes to saving space so you can count 1080p video resolution out.
I don't care about this whole disc swapping thing. I don't get the big deal :s are people that lazy nowadays?
I have a 120gb hd, probably gonna install soem games to it, depending how much space they take. I personally dont mind disc-swapping but i'd rather not have over 5 discs for one game lol.
Do these RPGs really need so many discs? Oblivion was a big game, loads of dialouge and a large free-roaming land, graphics were pretty good too, only ever needed a single disc.
Doesn't really matter to me. Depends if they decide to take advantage the space on the PS3's blu-ray, which idk.
"i thought it was confirmed that the game will fit in a DVD. i read it somewhere, or was it BS?Nothing regarding the number if discs has been confirmed for either version. All that has been stated is that Squenix will be doing everything they can in terms of compression.
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First of all, I don't mind disc swapping at all... second I don't think that square would do such thing as compressing the data to the point that quality will be considerably lower than the PS3 version, they know what they're doing. If they use compression I am sure that it will be some lossless algorithm.
yea, I'm gonna have Lost Odyssey soon. On it's way actually. And I dont care about changing discs. All the epics RPGs I've enjoyed the most where multi-disc. no problem with me
Disc swapping? Perhaps not. Playing the game with compressed video, sound, and textures? Hell yes on the 360. It is rather unlikely they will have a 6 disc DVD-9 set instead of the standard 4 disc.
"I played both Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, disc swapping doesn't bother me at all.
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Me, too.
The disc has to be in the drive to play it from the HDD for DRM purposes so even if you install the multiple discs you'd still have to swap discs. That is unless they decide to put in some universal disc or something, idk.
"ive played lost odysey but not blue dragon, would you recomend it.
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I enjoyed it but it was my first foray into the JRPG genre. The closest thing to it I had played before was KOTOR.
Some complained that it was too simple, but it was just right for me to learn how this whole turn-based combat thing worked.
There were a few things I preferred about the combat in BD as opposed to LO.
You were allowed to select each character's move as their turn came up in combat (much better than LO's system).
You had better control of the combat order of your characters than in LO (far less frustrating than finding out the move you were forced to make that wouldn't happen for 6+ turns was now pointless).
The in-combat interface was cleaner and clearer than LO.
Also, the enemies were visible in the field so you could seek them out or avoid them if needed.
The graphics, though very anime-kiddie-cute, did have a nice solidity to them (they did way over use the depth of field gimmick).
I liked both quite a bit but couldn't point to one and say, "hands down, that's the better game." They both have more plusses than minuses. BD would be better for newer players, while LO would require a little more understanding of the gameplay style.
Oh, and while we're talking about 360 JRPG's, I really liked the combat system in Eternal Sonata.
"Listen, if Mass Effect doesn't need multiple discs, neither does FF13"Final Fantasy games are generally 40 - 60 hour affairs with tons of pre-rendered cutscenes. Mass Effect was pretty short and all of the scenes were rendered in-engine.
Who knows? Maybe all of the cutscenes will be rendered in real-time this time around, but it doesn't look like it based off of trailers.
I don't see what it's such a big deal for people to get up and change discs. I've been doing it since the PS1 days. I don't see what's the problem. Oh wait that's right, you got to get up...
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