Xbox Live To Blame For Lack of Final Fantasy XIV On 360

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#51 Posted by Marz (5642 posts) -

Unfortunate, Final Fantasy XI was truly one of the first games to reach cross platform where PC, xbox, and PS2 players could interact with each other in the same game world.  Would have been great to see 14 do the same but i guess Microsoft said once is enough.

#52 Posted by rjayb89 (7717 posts) -
@artofwar420 said:
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Let the flaming comence. *shield*

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I HATE SECOND POSTERS.  *stab*
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#53 Posted by Microshock (341 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" Microsoft is still benefiting because it's coming to Windows as well. "
Just cause a game comes out on Windows, doesn't mean Microsoft gets anything from it. There's no licensing fees or anything like that on the PC. And I doubt that Square Enix will go for the GFW branding.
#54 Posted by Jazz (2154 posts) -
@ProfessorEss said:
" @dvdhaus said:
" @ProfessorEss said:
"  PS: Let's wait to see when and what the PS3 gets for an MMO before we start handing out the gold medals. :) "
The PS3 is getting Final Fantasy XIV.  

Is getting. That's all I'm talking about.  Alpha Protocol was also going to be best game ever. Duke Nukem also existed.FF13 was also a PS3 exclusive. Valve also was never going to develop for the PS3. The Wii was going to fall flat on it's motion controlled face.  I'm surprised people who watch the gaming industry as close as the people around here seem to still count their chickens before they hatch - or before the eggs are even laid.  "
Yeah, I'm with you on this. 
Just because it's coming out on the ps3 doesn't mean its actually worth playing. 
Lets see how this plays out before people start crowing about it. 
 
That said I'm looking forward to playing my £16.99 copy of FFXIII. 
#55 Posted by JJRage (59 posts) -
@DukeTogo said:
" @Somadude said:
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Don't you have to pay both SE and MS to play FFXI?

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Yes, which is why this is stupid.  
 
 
No, you DON'T have to play for Xbox Live Gold to play FFXI on Xbox 360. Do a little research before you spread false information.
#56 Posted by XxBarretxX (307 posts) -
@Pazy: you wouldn't be able to play the game with a silver subscription......
#57 Posted by Kaigan (270 posts) -

Man, subscriptions.

#58 Posted by drunkenshogun (13 posts) -

Again, Microsoft being a capitalist. Those  Fascists!!!!

#59 Posted by dvorak (1496 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" It has a PC version, and if you have a brain in your head that's the only version to care about. If idiots want to pretend an MMO clearly being made with PC as the lead skew is a sweet PS3 exclusive, let them have it. "
It's SKU.
#60 Posted by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -
@dvorak said:
" It's SKU. "
Chill grandpa.
It's typically pronounced skew, and this is an internet forum - not a dictionary proofreading class.
#61 Edited by NMC2008 (1231 posts) -
@nugazer:  
Playing anything but MMOS & FPS on PC = lol  
I am not being serious with this post btw, but I am a console only gamer.
#62 Posted by EndrzGame (323 posts) -

I'll just play the MMO's on my PC. Much easier that way.

#63 Posted by Pazy (2561 posts) -
@XxBarretxX said:
" @Pazy: you wouldn't be able to play the game with a silver subscription...... "
FFXI is a special case.
#64 Edited by clubsammich (90 posts) -

When I read "Xbox Live To Blame For Lack of Final Fantasy XIV On 360" My eyes saw "Thanks to XBL, this Final Fantasy themed MMO won't be gracing the 360 anytime soon" 
 
When will MMO's die already? This is just what gaming needs; another no depth, no substance, idiotic time waster for people to get hooked on. 
 
Be thankful 360 owners, be very thankful.

#65 Posted by Phantomvirus (48 posts) -
@Somadude:  You can actually play FFXI with a silver XBLA membership.
#66 Posted by Jayzilla (2555 posts) -
@freshym: i quit LOTRO at level 50 because it was apparent that it was still important to Turbine to have player's characters collecting animal skins at that point of the game. I played that game for 2 and 1/2 months and upon entering the area right next to Mines of Moria, the NPC wanted me to collect some animal pelts. That was it for me. I was done with it. 
#67 Posted by Xeiphyer (5595 posts) -
@dvorak said:
" @ryanwho said:
" It has a PC version, and if you have a brain in your head that's the only version to care about. If idiots want to pretend an MMO clearly being made with PC as the lead skew is a sweet PS3 exclusive, let them have it. "
It's SKU. "
Also, the game is being developed very much for the consoles and not for the PC (We are talking FFXIV right?). I was in the alpha test, and will be in the beta testing of FFXIV, and I can say that the game is meant to be played with a controller, they even say "We recommend that you play the game with a gamepad for optimal experience".
 
Also, why would I play the game on my computer when I can play it on my 53 inch tv sitting on my couch with surround sound on?  Thats a way better experience than sitting in a desk chair huddled over a monitor.
#68 Posted by borgmaster (513 posts) -

Is it just me or did this article seem like an editorial from Playstation Magazine? I only ask this because I can't see any rational person get that worked up about the lack of MMO's on a console.

#69 Posted by Kinsella (59 posts) -

FFXIV Alpha tester here. /flex
#70 Posted by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -

Who would want to play an MMO on a console?

#71 Posted by JJRage (59 posts) -
@Xeiphyer said:
" @dvorak said:
" @ryanwho said:
" It has a PC version, and if you have a brain in your head that's the only version to care about. If idiots want to pretend an MMO clearly being made with PC as the lead skew is a sweet PS3 exclusive, let them have it. "
It's SKU. "
Also, the game is being developed very much for the consoles and not for the PC (We are talking FFXIV right?). I was in the alpha test, and will be in the beta testing of FFXIV, and I can say that the game is meant to be played with a controller, they even say "We recommend that you play the game with a gamepad for optimal experience".  Also, why would I play the game on my computer when I can play it on my 53 inch tv sitting on my couch with surround sound on?  Thats a way better experience than sitting in a desk chair huddled over a monitor. "
 
 
I was also in the FFXIV alpha, and Xeiphyer is 100% correct. Square is building that game with the PS3 in mind. Playing FFXIV's alpha with a mouse and keyboard was an exercise in frustration as a result. 
 
Both Champions Online and Star Trek Online began development with consoles (specifically Xbox 360) in mind. Both games are already programmed to work with 360 controllers without any fiddling with the bindings.  
 
Anyone who claims MMOs belong on PCs was probably saying the same damn thing about first-person shooters about ten years ago.
#72 Posted by Brodehouse (9588 posts) -

Japanese publisher unwilling to co-operate with Western closed service system.
 
Color me unsurprised.
 
 The only stick in my craw about this is that it guarantees more PlayOnline and that shit is Goddamn terrible.  I'm fine if all major publishers create their own distribution channels (EA's had one for years, Ubi has Uplay, Blizzard is turning battle.net into one, Valve's is the standard bearer, Activision clearly wants one), but Japanese publishers are so out of the loop when it comes to social networking in video games.  If Capcom hasn't made a compelling distribution service, then Konami, Squeenix and the rest don't have a chance.

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#73 Posted by Fontan (318 posts) -
@ProfessorEss: For the possibility of playing FFXIV on it, as it is the game mentioned on the article.
#74 Posted by Sharpless (457 posts) -
@ProfessorEss:  Yes, but when you misspell things, you look like a dumbass. The English language is there for a reason, despite what the Internet might try so feverishly hard to tell you.
#75 Posted by Dopey2400 (72 posts) -

Fuck you Microsoft, fuck you!

#76 Edited by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -
@Sharpless: thx boss, ill keep that in mynd at my next internet forums based job interview.
#77 Posted by Korne (625 posts) -
@Brodehouse said:
" Japanese publisher unwilling to co-operate with Western closed service system.  Color me unsurprised.  "  
 To me, it sounds like MS is the one having a hard time with all of the MMO developers. They want to control everything, which goes against what MMOs are all about (look at EVE Online). 
 
MS seems to be the problem in this instance, and they are having a hard time with both Japanese and Western developers.
#78 Posted by Korne (625 posts) -
@ProfessorEss said:
" @dvorak said:
" It's SKU. "
Chill grandpa. It's typically pronounced skew, and this is an internet forum - not a dictionary proofreading class. "
That's dumb, its SKU, and even if it is pronounced Skew, it is still written as SKU. Get with the times.
#79 Edited by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -
@Korne said:

" @ProfessorEss said:

" @dvorak said:
" It's SKU. "
Chill grandpa. It's typically pronounced skew, and this is an internet forum - not a dictionary proofreading class. "
That's dumb, its SKU, and even if it is pronounced Skew, it is still written as SKU. Get with the times. "
Guess I should get with the times cause behind closed doors I still call them skins.
Cause back when me and my pals worked retail the most common abbreviation was SKN (number as opposed to unit).
#81 Posted by Sharpless (457 posts) -
@ProfessorEss said:
" @Sharpless: thx boss, ill keep that in mynd at my next internet forums based job interview. "
Ah, yes. The old "It's the Internet; thus, it doesn't matter" refuge. Lovely. *sigh*
#82 Posted by slyely (154 posts) -

In a way I'm glad. I do not need another reason to play another MMO. GuildWars =3 years, LOTRO = 2.5 years, and a little AoC. I'm burnt of MMOs. But...for people that would like to relax on a couch an play an MMO, this kinda sucks...not sure why Microsoft does not want to cater to that crowd.

#83 Posted by Korne (625 posts) -
@ProfessorEss said:

"Guess I should get with the times cause behind closed doors I still call them skins. Cause back when me and my pals worked retail the most common abbreviation was SKN (number as opposed to unit). "
Calling it an SKN would be fine, but yet again, spelling it  'Skin' just seems wrong... or British.
#84 Posted by vinsanity09 (210 posts) -

MMOs, lol

#85 Edited by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -
@Korne said:

" @ProfessorEss said:


"Guess I should get with the times cause behind closed doors I still call them skins. Cause back when me and my pals worked retail the most common abbreviation was SKN (number as opposed to unit). "
Calling it an SKN would be fine, but yet again, spelling it  'Skin' just seems wrong... or British. "
Well, I'm Canadian - so we're halfway there :)
...kinda.
#86 Edited by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -
@Sharpless said:

Ah, yes. The old "It's the Internet; thus, it doesn't matter" refuge. Lovely. *sigh* "

Aww, c'mon like that sentence you typed right there in that quote would play anywhere besides on the internet?
 
You can put a "sigh" between astericks to convey an emotion, but someone's not allowed to type SKU as Skew?
#87 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -
@Xeiphyer said:
" @dvorak said:
" @ryanwho said:
" It has a PC version, and if you have a brain in your head that's the only version to care about. If idiots want to pretend an MMO clearly being made with PC as the lead skew is a sweet PS3 exclusive, let them have it. "
It's SKU. "
Also, the game is being developed very much for the consoles and not for the PC (We are talking FFXIV right?). I was in the alpha test, and will be in the beta testing of FFXIV, and I can say that the game is meant to be played with a controller, they even say "We recommend that you play the game with a gamepad for optimal experience".  Also, why would I play the game on my computer when I can play it on my 53 inch tv sitting on my couch with surround sound on?  Thats a way better experience than sitting in a desk chair huddled over a monitor. "
Just curious as to how the UI navigation is with a controller. I'm guessing it's your typical Bioware style radial menu for skills and such?   How was FFXI on the 360? I can't imagine the control scheme straying too far away from that.
 
Either way after playing with the benchmark for an hour or so, I'd still get the pc version just for mods and more graphical options (I'm assuming), and other features that us PC gamers tend brag so much about.
 
Hopefully it turns out decent on the PS3 too. What would be wonderful is cross platform support. Did FFXI support that as well, at least 360/PC?
#88 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

Do 360 owners even care? I sure don't.

#89 Posted by FCKSNAP (2299 posts) -
@wolf_blitzer85: There is cross-platform support, to what extent hasn't been seen. FFXI had PS2-PC cross-play for everything. 
 
Also, this is SquEnix, no mods or you get kicked.
#90 Posted by Bam_D_Leprechaun (795 posts) -

if i ever go back to playing an MMO, it would be on PC... not consoles 

#91 Edited by Vorbis (2749 posts) -

While I don't really care about MMOs these days, it's sad to hear more stories about Microsoft being close minded about XBL (Steamworks being the other "story").
 
Lets hope these things get MS to open their mind a little, game publishers should be able to charge as much or as little as they like and patch or update as much as they like, it should never be up to the platform to dictate it.

#92 Posted by foggel (2763 posts) -

Luckily I own PS360. That's funny for both.

#93 Posted by haggis (1677 posts) -

Well, it makes sense that MS would want them to charge. MS has to support the game online, after all, with its service, and online-only MMO games require more upkeep than the standard online games. Of course, just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's worth the hassle. Eventually developers are going to have to get used to this. They can't get something for nothing. It's not like they didn't know Live was a closed system. MS's move might be irritating, but it makes perfect sense.

#94 Posted by SolemnOaf (535 posts) -

Hey people.  A computer connects to a display device through an HDMI or VGA cable.  The same kind of HDMI or VGA cable you might be using to connect your current console to your display device.  Hence, it is as easy to hook a PC up to your 920 ft. LCD as it is your 360 or PS3.  When you say anything like; 'yeah but then you can't relax and sit back in your recliner with one hand down your pants and drinking a beer while scratching yourself when you play games on PC', you sound ignorant.  And you are.
#95 Posted by rugripper40 (59 posts) -

maybe they want to give us this experience in full 1080p...please dudes stop sugar coating...tell it like it is.....360 like i said ....it was hot now its just melting into the sunset....lol.....pennywise dollar foolish...build a machine that will last more then 3 yrs
#96 Posted by FCKSNAP (2299 posts) -
@haggis said:
" Well, it makes sense that MS would want them to charge. MS has to support the game online, after all, with its service, and online-only MMO games require more upkeep than the standard online games. Of course, just because it makes sense doesn't mean it's worth the hassle. Eventually developers are going to have to get used to this. They can't get something for nothing. It's not like they didn't know Live was a closed system. MS's move might be irritating, but it makes perfect sense. "
I don't think you understand this at all. MS wants everything to be closed off to Live only, while SE wants all players to use PlayOnline, which is their own paid service.  On PS3, anyone can use their own service in addition to PSN with no strings attached.
 
FFXI and PSU on 360 only use XBL and are closed off from the modern world but Sega and SE still have to pay for their own servers even though MS doesn't provide these servers. XBL is a P2P service which means the only servers MS has are those to handle users but not gameplay. When you use XBL you are using the bandwidth of the guy who is hosting the match. 
 
I can ramble on but you get the idea right?
#97 Posted by gunslingerNZ (1899 posts) -
@SolemnOaf: Sure you can connect your PC to your big screen TV but logistics often mean that's not possible. 
 
You normally have your computer at a desk so you can sit down and actually do work while you have your TV in the middle of the living room with all the couches around it. Unless you like doing your work and internet browsing while sitting on a couch or you plan on carting your PC between your desk and your TV then playing a PC MMO on your lounge TV just ain't gonna work out.
 
@haggis: I don't see it so much as an issue of developers wanting to get "something for nothing" as just wanting some more control over the quality of the service they provide their customers. It was the same deal with Valve only being able to bring steamworks to the PS3.
#98 Posted by hawkinson76 (355 posts) -

"The main reason why we couldn't go with Xbox 360 was the Xbox Live system," he told the publication during E3. "[Live is] different to the normal Internet environment, so when we wanted to introduce this game in the same environment as Windows PC it had to be PS3, so that was our choice." 
 
I can see why Square, Cryptic, etc have no leverage over Microsoft on this issue, their alternative is to put it on Windows, another Microsoft platform!

#99 Posted by Bucketdeth (8004 posts) -

Well I'm getting it on PC and PS3 so this doesn't bother me.

#100 Edited by SolemnOaf (535 posts) -

^ oh jesus i give up.  There's no reason a PC can't be hooked up to a lounge TV just like a console.  Some people have more than one of the same console, don't they?  I don't use my PC for anything other than gaming or internets though, and I see your point. 
 
This poster above me obviously hasn't read this thread very closely.  It baffles me how people can say the same incorrect things, repeatedly, even after they've been corrected.  I'm fairly sure their primary motivation for doing that is so they can bother people like me.  Why would you want to do that to me?  C'mon.

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