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#1 Edited by mrgstiffler (2 posts) -

This just seems really strange to me. To me, Tomb Raider competes with Bioshock Infinite, The Last of Us and Assassin's Creed 4 for Game of the Year. It's really weird that Tomb Raider doesn't even crack the Top 20.

#2 Posted by bigjeffrey (4706 posts) -

cause it aint a good game.

#3 Edited by NMC2008 (1227 posts) -

Good thing I don't care about GB's taste in games or I would be upset, to me, 98% of their list was garbage, but hey, it's theirs and I have mine, so sure, TR wasn't on the list but Dive Kick was, and that's what's most important, because Dive Kick is totally a video game, I had my doubts though, at first I thought it was just some shitty game of Rock Paper Scissors but I was wrong, it's better than RPS, a little bit better. So buck up buck, TR is good to us, so there's that. Oh and don't mind bigjeffrey up there, he's just being Giant Bomb.

#4 Posted by TheManWithNoPlan (5124 posts) -

That's what personal lists are for.

#5 Posted by Vuud (1943 posts) -

I didn't play it, but it looks just like a third person Far Cry 3. I don't think it would have been nearly as well received with out the name.

#6 Posted by joshwent (2047 posts) -

To me, Tomb Raider competes with Bioshock Infinite, The Last of Us and Assassin's Creed 4 for Game of the Year.

Note the emphasis.

#7 Posted by GunstarRed (4996 posts) -

They were waiting till the end of this year because last years game was not Definitive.

#8 Edited by hans_maulwurf (120 posts) -

eh...petty stuff compared to the bs of law of the west not even making top 3 of best old games.

#9 Posted by mrgstiffler (2 posts) -

@nmc2008 said:

Good thing I don't care about GB's taste in games or I would be upset, to me, 98% of their list was garbage, but hey, it's theirs and I have mine, so sure, TR wasn't on the list but Dive Kick was, and that's what's most important, because Dive Kick is totally a video game, I had my doubts though, at first I thought it was just some shitty game of Rock Paper Scissors but I was wrong, it's better than RPS, a little bit better. So buck up buck, TR is good to us, so there's that. Oh and don't mind bigjeffrey up there, he's just being Giant Bomb.

Yeah, I agree that GOTY is based on taste but I find it really strange that Tomb Raider doesn't break any publication's top 20. Giant Bomb and CAG are my two go to resources for new games. Tomb Raider was 1 or 2 for CAG but doesn't even hit top 20 for Giant Bomb?

#10 Posted by agentboolen (1749 posts) -

@mrgstiffler: still meaning to play it but yea your kind of right it did seem like it would be there. I guess it's one of the less appreciated games of the year. You can give it that award.

#11 Posted by Humanity (8712 posts) -

@joshwent said:
@mrgstiffler said:

To me, Tomb Raider competes with Bioshock Infinite, The Last of Us and Assassin's Creed 4 for Game of the Year.

Note the emphasis.

It's a very good game and people with horrible taste like @bigjeffrey might try to steer people away but the quality of the new Tomb Raider is undeniable. It was definitely a top 10 game of 2013.

#12 Edited by crithon (3052 posts) -

it made more then majority of the personal top 10s on all the guests at giant bomb. So it was never under represented

#13 Posted by Guesty_01 (339 posts) -

It's good. Solid. Nothing more.

#14 Posted by TobbRobb (4554 posts) -

It's pretty uninteresting and straight to the point. Not bad per say. But it wouldn't hit anywhere close to my list, and I'm not surprised it didn't on theirs either.

#15 Edited by Abendlaender (2733 posts) -

Cause it's not that good. It's okay

#16 Posted by Yummylee (21204 posts) -

@mrgstiffler said:

@nmc2008 said:

Good thing I don't care about GB's taste in games or I would be upset, to me, 98% of their list was garbage, but hey, it's theirs and I have mine, so sure, TR wasn't on the list but Dive Kick was, and that's what's most important, because Dive Kick is totally a video game, I had my doubts though, at first I thought it was just some shitty game of Rock Paper Scissors but I was wrong, it's better than RPS, a little bit better. So buck up buck, TR is good to us, so there's that. Oh and don't mind bigjeffrey up there, he's just being Giant Bomb.

Yeah, I agree that GOTY is based on taste but I find it really strange that Tomb Raider doesn't break any publication's top 20. Giant Bomb and CAG are my two go to resources for new games. Tomb Raider was 1 or 2 for CAG but doesn't even hit top 20 for Giant Bomb?

Maybe it's because they're different websites with different people.

#17 Edited by RonGalaxy (2834 posts) -

@vuud said:

I didn't play it, but it looks just like a third person Far Cry 3. I don't think it would have been nearly as well received with out the name.

It is nowhere near a third person Far Cry 3, as a person who has played both games.

#18 Posted by believer258 (11561 posts) -

Whatever, man, no one represented Etrian Odyssey IV.

#19 Edited by Humanity (8712 posts) -

Whatever, man, no one represented Etrian Odyssey IV.

We're talking about good games in this thread.

Just kidding, I don't even know what that is.

#20 Edited by believer258 (11561 posts) -

@humanity said:

@believer258 said:

Whatever, man, no one represented Etrian Odyssey IV.

We're talking about good games in this thread.

Just kidding, I don't even know what that is.

:(

It's a Wizardry-inspired first-person dungeon crawler.

EDIT: For the record, I think Tomb Raider is probably one of the best third person shooters of this generation. It certainly blows its direct competition out of the water in every way.

#21 Posted by Castiel (2520 posts) -

Cause opinions, man.

#22 Edited by SharkEthic (1003 posts) -
@vuud said:

I didn't play it, but it looks just like a third person Far Cry 3. I don't think it would have been nearly as well received with out the name.

It is nothing like Far Cry 3, and I don't think slapping the Tomb Raider brand on it necessarily did it any favors.

#23 Posted by TreeTrunk (107 posts) -

eh, I bought and played tomb raider and it is definitely a good game, I had a great time with it, but it's hardly worth replaying, the gun-play is ordinary, multiplayer is tacked on, and it teases for a sequel at the end. Any story that teases for a sequel can't really have an impact on a person. I actually liked the QTE's in the game, but I can't defend them to the many people who hated them.

I actually cringed when I saw it make a top 10 list (I think it made John Drake's top 10 list from memory).

#24 Posted by Humanity (8712 posts) -

@humanity said:

@believer258 said:

Whatever, man, no one represented Etrian Odyssey IV.

We're talking about good games in this thread.

Just kidding, I don't even know what that is.

:(

It's a Wizardry-inspired first-person dungeon crawler.

EDIT: For the record, I think Tomb Raider is probably one of the best third person shooters of this generation. It certainly blows its direct competition out of the water in every way.

You just made me.... a believer..

..

#25 Edited by Rafaelfc (1311 posts) -

@treetrunk said:

Any story that teases for a sequel can't really have an impact on a person.

What? Are you serious?

To name a few:

The Empire Strikes Back, The Matrix, Spiderman 2, Back to the Future (1, 2 AND 3 all tease sequels), Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Skyfall...

#26 Posted by Counterclockwork87 (573 posts) -

This just seems really strange to me. To me, Tomb Raider competes with Bioshock Infinite, The Last of Us and Assassin's Creed 4 for Game of the Year. It's really weird that Tomb Raider doesn't even crack the Top 20.

Because it wasn't nearly as good as any of those games. I don't think anyone in the gaming industry thought it was "great," mearly, "pretty good."

#27 Edited by BabyChooChoo (4247 posts) -

I didn't think Tomb Raider was that good. It wasn't bad, but top 10 material? Nah, son. Not by a long shot. That's just my opinion though so it's whatever at the end of the day. Also,

@humanity said:

You just made me.... a believer..

..

#28 Posted by Christoffer (1742 posts) -

I'm playing Tomb Raider right now and I like it a lot, I'm near the end. But I could see that it might fall out of my memory directly after I finish it. For me, it falls in the same category as Max Payne 3 as games that make you go "neato" when you're done, unistall and forget. Just another well-produced frictionless thrillride.

It's a good game but I understand why GB found 20 other games that stuck with them a little more.... plus, some of them probably didn't even like it that much.

#29 Posted by NipCrip66 (122 posts) -

Personally I enjoyed Tomb Raider until I had to kill waves of enemies. When I had to pick off 5 or so carefully then I could buy the world they had created. She was young and scared but had been trained to handle weapons and look after herself. As soon as they changed it to "fight x waves of enemies in makehift arenas" then it totally lost me. It became far too Uncharted-clone for it's own good.

So from my point of view I can totally see why they didn't include it in their GOTY but I know the game has it's supporters.

#30 Posted by believer258 (11561 posts) -

@humanity said:

@believer258 said:

@humanity said:

@believer258 said:

Whatever, man, no one represented Etrian Odyssey IV.

We're talking about good games in this thread.

Just kidding, I don't even know what that is.

:(

It's a Wizardry-inspired first-person dungeon crawler.

EDIT: For the record, I think Tomb Raider is probably one of the best third person shooters of this generation. It certainly blows its direct competition out of the water in every way.

You just made me.... a believer..

..

Ha, there are surprisingly few puns on my username.

#31 Posted by Gruff182 (851 posts) -

Tomb Raider was in the same vein as Hitman: Abs, for me. A really well made game, a good game infact. Just a bad Hitman game.

TR was the same, they made a good game. An amazing new Lara and a great tone but instead made a 3rd person shooter with some jumping. That was never the cool part of TR.

The shooting mechanics were good though, the best they've been, so the next game could be great. Or just another shooter.

#32 Posted by beepmachine (618 posts) -

Tomb Raider was fucking awesome. I have my fingers crossed for a sequel.

Don't hinge your enjoyment on staff interest, they can't please everyone.

#33 Posted by ShaggE (6290 posts) -

The real crime was the lack of ROTT.

You can stab a guy in half, people. STAB A GUY IN HALF.

#34 Posted by Dixavd (1291 posts) -

I liked it. Other people liked it more. Most other people liked it less. I'm okay with that.

#35 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5135 posts) -

It's because lists matter.

#36 Posted by Baillie (4026 posts) -

Anyone saying it is a bad game is pretty wrong or hasn't played it. While it's in not my favourite of the year, it's still a really solid game, and easily the best Tomb Raider gameplay experience. The story's a bit iffy, though.

#37 Edited by BaneFireLord (2907 posts) -

The Stanley Parable got bumped from the top ten list for the sake of another goddamn indie sprite art roguelike and you don't see me complaining. Opinions, brother. If they were uniform and universal, the world would be a boring place.

#38 Posted by csl316 (7963 posts) -

My game of the year, I don't need GB to verify it.

#39 Posted by AlexW00d (6167 posts) -

I found it mediocre as fuck with a shit load of poorly written stereotypical characters, I'm fine with where it placed.

#40 Posted by HatKing (5768 posts) -

Man, I loved the game, but this argument is getting tired. Why do we need these guys to validate our opinions? I'm not listening to the podcast waiting for them to talk about The Last of Us and tap my buddy on the shoulder "hey, see? I told you that game was good, yup." Who gives a shit? It's not like they said it was a terrible game or anything. In which case, I could see maybe wanting to defend it. But, they just didn't like as much as us. Bummer, I guess, but I'm not losing sleep over it.

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#41 Edited by Kaiserreich (681 posts) -

I didn't even finish it. A completely average game

#42 Edited by Klei (1768 posts) -

Anybody who thinks Tomb Raider wasn't all that good, you have got to get your video game standards checked. It's one of the finest games of 2013, as will any game built on Batman Arkham's template. Because hey, people compare it to Uncharted when it truly borrows its identity from Rocksteady's blueprint of a game. Add to that great combat, a great main character and a great setting. The story wasn't the best, neither some of the side characters, but they certainly weren't worse than most video game clichés that we get every year.

Come at me.

#43 Edited by Veektarius (4540 posts) -

It was my #1, but I'm pretty sure I played like 6 games that came out last year. I tried making a top ten list and realized I literally had not played enough new games to do it.

#44 Posted by Atwa (609 posts) -

I outright disliked it. Was quite the fan of the old games, even thought Legend and Underworld were pretty decent. The new one just lacks its own identity, it feels like Crystal Dynamics stared themselves blind on other games and lost a lot of what made the series cool. It has setpieces that I thought were mundane and the shooting is painfully average. Personally the story and especially the side characters was the worst offender, I am still baffled they basically just went with one of each race for the side characters and they all ride high on clichés and poorly written dialogue. I wish it was the survival game it hints at, hunting is completely lackluster and the wounds and stuff don't play into the game at all.

#45 Posted by Blannir (243 posts) -

Tomb Raider was my surprise game of 2013. Had zero interest in it and only picked it up because it was on sale and my GF talked about wanting to try it but when I started it I couldn't put it down. I felt like it could've wrapped up a little sooner after the events at the bandit base about 2/3 through but overall great game that I enjoyed from start to finish.

#46 Edited by Freshbandito (642 posts) -

I'm playing Tomb Raider right now and I like it a lot, I'm near the end. But I could see that it might fall out of my memory directly after I finish it. For me, it falls in the same category as Max Payne 3 as games that make you go "neato" when you're done, unistall and forget. Just another well-produced frictionless thrillride.

It's a good game but I understand why GB found 20 other games that stuck with them a little more.... plus, some of them probably didn't even like it that much.

I'm gonna hazard a guess that you did what I did and bought them both in the steam sale and they ended up being the only things that stuck to the wall when trying to play all the purchases.

I'd mostly agree with you but the game left me wanting more but bigger in a good way as a reboot should, the story was lacking and meandering but the gameplay and polish left me excited to see what may come in a further tale of new Lara Croft.

#47 Edited by Nentisys (883 posts) -

Tomb Raider 2013 is the very definition of a mediocre derivate "AAA" game.

Shit story, no risk "platforming", endless QTE's, totally needless experience system, they never let go of your hand the entire game. Shooting was competent (I did like the bow) but nothing special. Oh and how many times do you slide down a hill/waterslide?

But hey, atleast Lara had nice hair (on the PC). Buy it in a steam sale when it hits under 5€.

#48 Posted by Onomatopoeia (101 posts) -

It's really weird that Tomb Raider doesn't even crack the Top 20.

That's because it's shit, it didn't even resemble Tomb Raider in anyway. I wanted to raid Tombs with good platforming not Uncharted set pieces with magnetic ledges and regenerating health.

#49 Edited by believer258 (11561 posts) -

I'm going to hazard a guess that most people who strongly disliked Tomb Raider were expecting something along the lines of the older games, not a (finely-tuned, well-made) third person shooter. The people who did wind up liking Tomb Raider a lot, such as myself, bought it on a whim and were pleasantly surprised.

Expectations can seriously fuck things up.

#50 Posted by McGray90 (53 posts) -

I don't know, Gunpoint's pretty good...