Big post comin' up:
@IliyaMoroumetz:
Very well, tell me of a well done, enjoyable, and a memorable story where a vital character appeared at the end of a story? Because I sure can't think of any. You know why? It's sloppy. It says, "I can't think of any other way to fill the plot holes I made myself with the established characters, so, I have to bring in another character out of nowhere."
This is ludicrous, by this bizarre logic of "burden of proof", every new idea ever introduced in fiction would be shit, since it doesn't have any precedent, I'm sorry friend, but even if I did have an example, I wouldn't need to present it, since it's absurd to even conceive that unusual or new ideas (introducing a character at the end) are inappropiate.
As for the rest, same thing as before, you have no proof, nor an argument for how it's bad for a story to have a character introduced at the final stages of the game, understand for once and for all, that while you may like something, it doesn't mean it's inherently bad, and that your opinions do not hold any sort of ground under any criteria other than what you like/dislike.
You say the Catalyst is not a DEM, when you go on to list EXACTLY what it does! It provides the solution! It brings forth the answers! I can cannot conceive how anyone would not be able to make the connection. Or are you rewriting the definitions of things as we speak just so you can be right?
I am doing an exercise in patience unlike any other I've ever done.
The Catalyst is not the solution, The Crucible is, The Catalyst does not provide a direct, abrupt manner to resolve the conflict, it merely speaks and presents the manner in which a decision is going to work and what considerations are involved in the process of such a decision, it is an exposition device, clearly different than a Deus Ex Machina.
I don't think it's possible make that any more clearer.
This has nothing to do with what I consider to be or not to be immoral, again another point that you came to by yourself.
Why do I feel like I have to repeat myself endlessly ? When you say something is offensive, it's because you believe such a thing is immoral, period, either counter this point with a solid argument, or let it go.
The fact that it just so happens that every one of those choices comes with a caveat seems like they were, again, trying to hard to be 'profound' or other such nonsense. It took everything you worked for and condensed it down into something that instead of providing you with a sense of accomplishment, if leaves you feeling sick to your stomach and disgusted with the writers.
Your opinion is valid, in the sense that the experience was unsatisfying to you, I can't change that, and nobody can, and if you thought it was bad, then maybe we can address that, both as fans, and with the developers as well.
However, that is not possible if you, and many many many other people, decide to tear apart the game with nothing more than void pressumptions about what makes or breaks a story, we should open our minds to both the good or bad about the endings, rather than eating away at it with personal opinions, Mass Effect has been a franchise worthy of our joy and intellect, and we should be able to measure up to that, which we did not do with our reaction to the ending.
Oh yes, and the Refusal Ending, which can be compared to Casey Hudson, stomping his feet, giving you the bird because you can't appreciate his 'artistic vision' and pretty much says "Rocks Fall, everybody dies'. Yeah, that's quality story telling right there.
An analogy:
Mother: "Son, if you do not study for your finals, you are going to flunk your senior year at High School !"
Son: "Why should I allow simple grades to define me ? Why should I allow this system to judge me simply for what grades I get in school ? This shouldn't be !"
Mother: "Well, maybe it shouldn't, but the reality is this, if you fail those finals, you will not be able to graduate High School, you will have to do it all over again, that is the only choice you have"
Son: "I refuse to study for my finals !"
*Son gets flunked, has to repeat senior year all over again*
Studying for the finals = Activating The Crucible.
Just so happens that what makes Synthesis so egregious is the fact that you are FORCING this state on the rest of the galaxy. I could name another action of forcing one's self upon another, but that's a dicey subject enough as it is, but that's how it seems and what I've seen it compared to. I mean, seriously, I think you're giving the writers far too much credit.
You forced the galactic community as well to endure the consequences of a possible rachni war, you forced them as well when you killed The Council or when you cured The Genophage, or when you destroyed the Cerberus Base.
As I said, apart from the fact that you have to make a choice, or otherwise everyone in the galaxy is dead, the question about "forcing" anyone is completely irrelevant, since back in ME1 and all the way to ME3, you were making choices and asking no one for their opinion.
Also, consider what "transhumanism" means, ponder for a while, and ask yourself if synthesis is really that bad with that in context.
And since when did I ever claim that I wanted overused tropes? Score another for 'you came to that on your own'. Might want to remember that most stories nowadays are comprised of overused tropes. It's the execution of the story that matters. And before you say anything, this minor point is about tropes, not stories themselves.
Since you, as well as several other fans, argued that it was unconceivable that "the villain" (a clear misconception of The Catalyst) could appear at the end, you are making it quite clear that you had a limited frame about how to approach the story, now obviously, it's your problem if you're too close-minded to see how The Cycle of Extinction is much larger than Shepard VS The Reapers, but it doesn't mean it makes for a valid argument.
I distinctly recall you speaking against ME4, but you've since edited your first post and now I can't prove it.
I did not edit the part about ME4 friend, you just misread and responded in a way that didn't make any sense with what I wrote, it's alright, I forgive you.
@Kadayi:
How about maybe presenting a convincing argument (cite some famous popular stories that eschew the traditional narrative structure), rather than labeling anyone who disagrees with you as 'delusional' and 'wrong'.
I won't indulge this line of thinking, even if I have thought about two stories that do play around with the notions of what constitutes heroes and villains, I won't give merit to a void argument that basically says "If it hasn't been tried before, it's not worth attempting", if you feel that any of what I said is incorrect or illogical, then properly address it, otherwise, any criticism about how it's inherently wrong that The Catalyst should appear at the end is complete nonsense.
If the Catalyst was on the Citadel all the time (and has been since time immemorial). How is it that Sovereign needed to attack the the Citadel in order to bring the reapers out of Dark space in Mass Effect 1? Couldn't the Catalyst just of pulled them out itself? Or are we to presume that an AI that's capable of changing the very fabric of the universe was somehow incapable of doing this?
You're assuming The Catalyst posseses the power to activate The Citadel Relay, when no proof of that has ever been shown, I'm not arguing that The Catalyst was undoubtedly conceived in the writing process of ME1, but his appearence and his role in ME3 do not contradict the events of ME1; and no, The Catalyst did not change the very fabric of the universe, that was achieved by Shepard "firing" The Crucible.
If you've worked in industry for any amount of time you'll understand that when high ranking people suddenly out of the blue elect to step away from a job to 'pursue other interests' or 'spend more time with their family' etc, etc it's rarely a case that it's because they actually choose to, it's more a case of being encouraged to leave Vs being let go (go out with your pride & reputation intact Vs in tatters).
I don't like EA either friend, but this is quite the bold statement to be grounded on nothing but your word.
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