Sooo...Bayonetta won best chacter? What...?

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

" The way Brad wrote it made it sound like a tie between Mordin and Bayonetta. "

No, no no no people.... 
 
Bayonetta won best debut game.  As in the "franchise" of bayonetta the "game" not the character.   Mordin won best new character.

" The way Brad wrote it made it sound like a tie between Mordin and Bayonetta. "

I have to say I hate when some games journalists seem to want to hate a game just because others like it or just for no reason at all.  How you can love GTA IV and not even give RDR the time of day is beyond comprehension to me.  Just does not make any sense. "

Looks like they edited the article, because now it just says:

Runners-up: Francis York Morgan, Mordin Solus and/or Bayonetta, hell, we don't know.

" Marston is just 'Heroic Guy Who Will Die For His Family' who gets pushed around by everybody he meets for 30 hours, then dies for his family. "

"  @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

I never got into Mass Effect, so I can't compare the two, but out of the games I've played this year, Bayonetta is a great choice for Best New Character.

HEY! The page got updated and now it says bayonetta or maybe mordin! YAY! Im happy now. Well, i didnt really care that much before. But whatever. Lets all stop fighting about shit now :)
Link up in hurrr

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

@Napalm

" @Jimbo said:

" Marston is just 'Heroic Guy Who Will Die For His Family' who gets pushed around by everybody he meets for 30 hours, then dies for his family. "

Lol, he fucking dies at the end? Thanks for saving me thirty hours, dude! 
 

@Raymayne

 said: 

"  @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

Fucking thank you! Everybody fucking pussypouting about Marston not getting chosen. Jesus people, get some damn perspective.     "

I think in terms of writing, Marston is a great character, however the world weary character roped into a life he wants nothing to do with is a bit of a tired trope. York has the benefit of being written well, albeit completely crazy. It fits with the spirit of that world though, he was a compelling character with an ending that paid off in spades. Bayonetta has the benefit of being written well (again, crazy but in agreement with the world she inhabits), a fascinating character who practically commands the attention of the entire game, and on top of all that she stands pretty high on a very small list of good female characters in video games, and not for just the usual reasons. Bonnie McFarlane or Fem Shep could easily fill that role, but Bayonetta uses her commanding presence and sexuality in strangely empowering ways, working as a commentary for both the state of many female game characters and how to turn those negatives into positives. Most well written female game characters could just as often be men without nary a difference, Bayonetta could never work as a man.  
 
Or maybe I'm talking out of my ass. 
 
Also, Mordin was great, but I found Thane and Samara far more interesting. I never once used Mordin (or talked to him) after finishing his Loyalty Mission.

" @Raymayne said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

You should gtfo and go watch a western or play call of juarez... no character in call is even remotely like JOhn Marston, that shows how wrong your comment is right off the bat. "

" @Raymayne said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

Apparently you didn't play redead past the first 30 min.  Also life is beautiful - better - ex: see halo 2 endurance look when xbox 1 went down.  30 pts out of 1000 in red dead....yeah you haven't seen shit from Marston MR. Troll. "

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

Arguments!
 
 
Bayonetta wins.

" @Jimbo said:

" Marston is just 'Heroic Guy Who Will Die For His Family' who gets pushed around by everybody he meets for 30 hours, then dies for his family. "

Lol, he fucking dies at the end? Thanks for saving me thirty hours, dude! 

" Bayonetta is the right choice. "

" @Napalm said:

" @Jimbo said:

" Marston is just 'Heroic Guy Who Will Die For His Family' who gets pushed around by everybody he meets for 30 hours, then dies for his family. "

Lol, he fucking dies at the end? Thanks for saving me thirty hours, dude! 

Yeah, because that makes the game or character worse or what?  Anyway, you're missing one of the best games of this year. "

" Coming from a guy with a GTA IV avatar which is one of the most overrated and unoriginal games of the decade i would expect such intelligent words, marston isn't original get over it. "

I like Marston alot but i love neutral characters, John Mclaine, Rambo, Terminator (yes).
I vote for Bayonetta because in an industry full of characters of gritty realism, Bayonetta strikes out with a sledge hammer full of crazy and beats you to death with it until there's nothing but a perminant smile on your face.
 
I haven't played Mass Effect 2 so i looked up alot of videos on Mordin, he's ok but most of the stand out moments i saw i didn't like, the interspecies sex talk and that god awful medical song which if i hear it one more time i'll hurt myself.

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Raymayne said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

You should gtfo and go watch a western or play call of juarez... no character in call is even remotely like JOhn Marston, that shows how wrong your comment is right off the bat. "

Clearly you have never seen a western movie in your entire life because john marston is your typical gunslinger that has been used in numerous pre 70s spaghetti westerns, there is NOTHING original about him, shit watch modern day westerns, his characteristics even resemble bullock in deadwood.

Would have been so hilarious if York won, would have made 2011 for me.

" @Styl3s said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Raymayne said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

You should gtfo and go watch a western or play call of juarez... no character in call is even remotely like JOhn Marston, that shows how wrong your comment is right off the bat. "

Clearly you have never seen a western movie in your entire life because john marston is your typical gunslinger that has been used in numerous pre 70s spaghetti westerns, there is NOTHING original about him, shit watch modern day westerns, his characteristics even resemble bullock in deadwood.

LOL Bullock is  like him? You just showed me you have no idea what you're talking about right there.  Not even close Bullock qualities: Quiet, strong (the two typical and cliche western hero characteristics) hot headed, disillusionment with authority and some establishment, loyalty to those loyal to him, slow to trust, desires justice Marston qualities: Not quiet, very talkative and well spoken, strong, great sense of humor, quick wit, seeks redemption for past misdeeds, desperately seeks allies (to a fault), sense of irony, kind heart , desires well being for his family and a new life  Yeah they are actually kind of the opposite.  Good try though. "

" @Styl3s:  Yeah, GTA4-hate ... that's so hip these days. You're among the coolest guys, dude!  Btw: Jeff stated numerous times that he loved GTA4, especially from a story-presentation angle. "

Should have been Marston or York.

" @CptBedlam said:

" @Napalm said:

" @Jimbo said:

" Marston is just 'Heroic Guy Who Will Die For His Family' who gets pushed around by everybody he meets for 30 hours, then dies for his family. "

Lol, he fucking dies at the end? Thanks for saving me thirty hours, dude! 

Yeah, because that makes the game or character worse or what?  Anyway, you're missing one of the best games of this year. "

I hated the way GTAIV played, and I did not enjoy the middle section that was bloated with ten hours of filler missions. Red Dead is pretty much the same thing.  Anyway, my comment wasn't really a snipe at me wanting to not play it, I just thought if that was the true ending that it seemed random because generally, Rockstar lets you continue after you beat the main story. It was more of a, "lolsrsly?" "

I wouldn't call Marston the best character in RDR, let alone the whole year.  His character is entirely dictated by the game structure, because it's the only structure Rockstar know how to use.  The guy is Niko Bellic in a hat.  
 
As for Juarez, I'd absolutely say that Ray McCall is a better character than Marston.

" @Napalm:  There are some filler-missions in the Mexico-part in the game but it's not NEARLY as bad as the Mafia-crap that GTA4 lost itself in for the majority of the game. "

" @Styl3s: I hate GTAIV on principal because they felt the need to take a story that has probably, a solid fifteen to twenty hours and blow it up into a bloated thirty-plus hour game, and especially one that has unremarkable, frustrating and wonky controls and mechanics. "

" @CptBedlam said:

" @Napalm:  There are some filler-missions in the Mexico-part in the game but it's not NEARLY as bad as the Mafia-crap that GTA4 lost itself in for the majority of the game. "

But you know what I mean? How long is the story in RDR if that was all I did? "

My vote for best new character goes to Bayonetta, in that they've made a character interesting enough to base a game series on.
 
But if anything, it speaks volumes about Mass Effect 2 that it has a SIDE CHARACTER that is interesting enough to compare to a MAIN CHARACTER of another franchise in this category, and I can understand why Mordin is being fought over tooth and nail.

@Styl3s

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Styl3s said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Raymayne said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said: 

I assume you're just kidding around but the thing that makes MARSTON great is that he is far from a "john wayne" or typical western hero.  He has humor, he gets angry, he follows people he shouldn't, he's made mistakes in his past and he is trying to redeem himself.  He is trying to make his way through a crazy and violent world and the tragedy that befalls him makes you really feel a lot of him as a character.  He is just so well realized and represented in the game.  And they continued to do a great job with him in Undead Nightmare. "

Dude...go watch any Western. Go play Call of Juarez, Marston is as typical as Western heroes come, such pathetic "Everyman-by-numbers" character design by Rockstar and you seriously think he's the best character of the year? Gtfo. "

You should gtfo and go watch a western or play call of juarez... no character in call is even remotely like JOhn Marston, that shows how wrong your comment is right off the bat. "

Clearly you have never seen a western movie in your entire life because john marston is your typical gunslinger that has been used in numerous pre 70s spaghetti westerns, there is NOTHING original about him, shit watch modern day westerns, his characteristics even resemble bullock in deadwood.

LOL Bullock is  like him? You just showed me you have no idea what you're talking about right there.  Not even close Bullock qualities: Quiet, strong (the two typical and cliche western hero characteristics) hot headed, disillusionment with authority and some establishment, loyalty to those loyal to him, slow to trust, desires justice Marston qualities: Not quiet, very talkative and well spoken, strong, great sense of humor, quick wit, seeks redemption for past misdeeds, desperately seeks allies (to a fault), sense of irony, kind heart , desires well being for his family and a new life  Yeah they are actually kind of the opposite.  Good try though. "

Bullock is quite? have you gotten past episode 1?  marston has a sense of humor? quick wit? in what world.
 
And you say marston has a sense of irony, kind heart and desires well being for his family but bullock doesnt? are you shitting me? GO WATCH DEADWOOD you clearly don't know what the fuck you are talking about, marston is one of the most unoriginal characters in video game history if you can't see how unoriginal he is i can't have a conversation with you on the topic because you are delusional and its pathetic.
 

There can never be enough praise for Bayonetta. Game of the Generation, baybee!

" @CptBedlam said:

" @Napalm:  There are some filler-missions in the Mexico-part in the game but it's not NEARLY as bad as the Mafia-crap that GTA4 lost itself in for the majority of the game. "

But you know what I mean? How long is the story in RDR if that was all I did? "

" There can never be enough praise for Bayonetta. Game of the Generation, baybee! "

" @Napalm: RDR took me 17 hours overall to complete, and I did some side missions. "

I don't agree with either of those choices at all. 
I though Thane was easily the best character in Mass Effect 2, but still my favorite character this year was by far John Marston.

I only played the demo for Bayonetta, but I can say i liked her better than Mordin. Besides, if anyone was going to win best character from ME2, it would be Garrus Vakarian. For being awesome.

Meh, Bayonetta doesent hold a candle to John Marsten, its just an opinion though.

" @Styl3s:  Bullock is a socially awkward middle-class idealist who lets his mouth get him in trouble and sleeps around on a woman who loves him. Marsten is a smoother (anyone is compared to Bullokc, really) former street urchin bank-robber who can get along with pretty much anyone (almost to a fault.)   You're really going to have to come up with concrete examples of how the two characters are similar aside from generally being good guys who shoot people with revolvers occasionally. "

Really, the whole debate of comparing cross-genre fictional characters is pretty dumb.
 
GUYS MICHAEL CORLEONE IS A TOTALLY FAG COMPARED TO HAMLET AND ALSO HE IS AN INSULT TO ITALIAN-AMERICANS SCREW THAT GUY IF YOU LIKE HIM YOU ARE A BAD PERSON

" @august said:

" @Styl3s:  Bullock is a socially awkward middle-class idealist who lets his mouth get him in trouble and sleeps around on a woman who loves him. Marsten is a smoother (anyone is compared to Bullokc, really) former street urchin bank-robber who can get along with pretty much anyone (almost to a fault.)   You're really going to have to come up with concrete examples of how the two characters are similar aside from generally being good guys who shoot people with revolvers occasionally. "

Watch all 3 seasons, come back and tell me they don't share alot of characteristics, i didn't say they were carbon fucking copies the point i am trying to make is marston isn't original, that character has been playing many of spaghetti westerns, you people act like the character was a stroke of fucking genius. "

" @august said:

" @Styl3s:  Bullock is a socially awkward middle-class idealist who lets his mouth get him in trouble and sleeps around on a woman who loves him. Marsten is a smoother (anyone is compared to Bullokc, really) former street urchin bank-robber who can get along with pretty much anyone (almost to a fault.)   You're really going to have to come up with concrete examples of how the two characters are similar aside from generally being good guys who shoot people with revolvers occasionally. "

Watch all 3 seasons, come back and tell me they don't share alot of characteristics, i didn't say they were carbon fucking copies the point i am trying to make is marston isn't original, that character has been playing many of spaghetti westerns, you people act like the character was a stroke of fucking genius. "

" @august said:

" @Styl3s:  Bullock is a socially awkward middle-class idealist who lets his mouth get him in trouble and sleeps around on a woman who loves him. Marsten is a smoother (anyone is compared to Bullokc, really) former street urchin bank-robber who can get along with pretty much anyone (almost to a fault.)   You're really going to have to come up with concrete examples of how the two characters are similar aside from generally being good guys who shoot people with revolvers occasionally. "

Watch all 3 seasons, come back and tell me they don't share alot of characteristics, i didn't say they were carbon fucking copies the point i am trying to make is marston isn't original, that character has been playing many of spaghetti westerns, you people act like the character was a stroke of fucking genius. "

" @Napalm said:

" @Styl3s: I hate GTAIV on principal because they felt the need to take a story that has probably, a solid fifteen to twenty hours and blow it up into a bloated thirty-plus hour game, and especially one that has unremarkable, frustrating and wonky controls and mechanics. "

I hated everything about GTA IV including the unnecessary bullshit forced phone shit. NEEEEEEEKO COME PICK ME UP NEEEEEEEKO LETS GO GET DRUNK NEEEEEEEKO LETS GO BOWLING  NEEEEEEEKO COUSIN! COME WIPE MY ASS "

Bayonetta's character development is about as small as her hips are wide.