#1 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Just listening to the Day 2 podcast, Dragon's Dogma seemed to miss in action completely. Not a single mention, and there were lots of categories it could fit, like 'best debut' or 'most surprising'. Not making a case for it here really, since I only played the demo thus far, but I've seen the game pop up on many GotY lists, and find its premise promising, and liked the demo quite a lot. It's definitely on my 'to play' list.

Do you think Dragon's Dogma is being overlooked? Do believe it deserves mention? Make a case for Dragon's Dogma!

#2 Posted by eroticfishcake (7782 posts) -

Wasn't Patrick the only one to play DD? If that's so it's no real surprise that they didn't even mention it since Patrick thought it was just okay while the rest of the staff didn't seem entirely interested in it, hence barely a mention. As for myself, I really liked it but it's not without some serious flaws to it. The potential to it is pretty amazing though.

#3 Posted by MildMolasses (3211 posts) -

It has a crazy ending, but everything leading up to it is pretty derivative of other games. It has some neat ideas, and refinement for a sequel could produce something amazing, but I don't think what they have is really worthy of note. Also, I don't know that anyone other than Patrick ever touched it outside of E3 events

#4 Posted by Ares42 (2556 posts) -

I've talked about this in other GOTY threads, but RPGs is just one of many other genres that has become generally ignored by this site. Unless the game is very mainstream or highly profiled none of the guys will care (with the possible exception of Vinny). Just look at last years deliberations when it came to Witcher 2, an exceptional game by all merits yet noone other than Vinny bothered to check it out.

#5 Edited by Yummylee (21204 posts) -

@eroticfishcake said:

Wasn't Patrick the only one to play DD? If that's so it's no real surprise that they didn't even mention it since Patrick thought it was just okay while the rest of the staff didn't seem entirely interested in it, hence barely a mention. As for myself, I really liked it but it's not without some serious flaws to it. The potential to it is pretty amazing though.

This pretty much. It's an incredibly flawed game with a laundry list of problems such as:

  • Obtuse fast-travel mechanics and being forced to run everywhere, which includes having to constantly stop to regain your stamina, is bullshit.
  • World and its hostile denizens doesn't scale to your level.
  • World isn't randomised or dynamic in any way, and when paired with the lack of any reliable fast travelling system, means you're going to have to face the same cyclops, chimeras and small goblin packs over and over and over. Plus because the world doesn't scale, the game becomes incredibly easy the more you play. Up until the ending part in the Everfall at least.
  • Pawn AI is pretty moronic and they repeat their dialogue and talk over one another so much that it's just a flurry of gibberish. Not like they really have anything all that interesting to say to begin with, though. Seriously, why must they continually reference Gran Soren as if it's the first time we've arrived here when I'm like 30 hours into the game?
  • Story and the writing is a bunch of tired, generic nonsense up until the end, where it all suddenly becomes pretty awesome.
  • Cumbersome inventory management and interface.
  • Some of the worst, most poorly developed escort missions that I can recall in a long time.

But it is also kinda awesome in a lot of ways, too. Like the combat, the character creator, the idea behind the Pawn system, being able to pick up people/sheep and throwing them down cliffs -- it's just with that many large scale issues, it's a tough proposition for it to hold a lot of sway. A multitude of intriguing ideas, but it only managed to deliver on so very few. It's why I believe this is a game that desperately requires a sequel to hopefully weed out some of the chaff, because this is definitely a series that has a lot of promise.

#6 Posted by Rhaknar (5939 posts) -

i sware its like people dont know the staff with these topics... I guess they could be new users >_>

#7 Posted by Encephalon (1238 posts) -

This is why they have their little disclaimer about how, no, they didn't up and forget your favorite game, they just eliminated it earlier, off-mic.

#8 Edited by wjb (1621 posts) -

I believe Patrick was the only one who played it, and from what it looked like, that was only because he felt compelled to since no one else was touching it. Maybe someone else played it, but didn't like it so it wasn't worth mentioning? This is what bothers me, sometimes. Besides maybe Vinny and Patrick, no one else checks out these types of games at the off-chance they might enjoy it. All summer on the Bombcast, they hardly had anything to talk about, and this is what they do for a living. I'm sure there are some people who cheer when they go off-topic a lot and talk about goddamn hummingbird masks or whatever, but then get upset when more than half the staff do not play The Witcher 2 or Dragon's Dogma for GOTY.

I haven't played Dragon's Dogma, but it sounds like from everyone else in the industry that it could hook certain people in. I'll eventually check it out once I've reduced my backlog.

EDIT: Dragon's Dogma did come out when they were still "settling" into the new offices and spending several months preparing for E3 (burn...).

#9 Posted by Yummylee (21204 posts) -

@Ares42 said:

I've talked about this in other GOTY threads, but RPGs is just one of many other genres that has become generally ignored by this site. Unless the game is very mainstream or highly profiled none of the guys will care (with the possible exception of Vinny). Just look at last years deliberations when it came to Witcher 2, an exceptional game by all merits yet noone other than Vinny bothered to check it out.

Patrick at least wanted to but couldn't because his computer wasn't up to snuff.

#10 Posted by T00L (10 posts) -

I'm kinda sad too that they don't even mention it, considering Skyrim was last years GOTY. I loved Dragons Dogma so much that it's even my personal Game of the year. The fighting mechanics are just that good ! The art style is great, you can play 9 different classes, which you can change at any time, the customization possibilites of your character are endless, and the difficulty is challenging but fair. And although many people complained about the barely existing fast travel system, I personally loved it that you had to plan your travels, especially when it got dark. If Capcom is working on it's very rare issues, the sequel is gonna be fucking great.

Plus, when you ever climbed on a back of a dragon and fight him when he actually starts flying around, you'll never ever want to go back to this paper dragons in Skyrim.

#11 Posted by Tylea002 (2295 posts) -

What about Dragon's Dogma?

#12 Posted by GunstarRed (4997 posts) -

@Yummylee said:

  • Pawn AI is pretty moronic and they repeat their dialogue and talk over one another so much that it's just a flurry of gibberish. Not like they really have anything all that interesting to say to begin with, though. Seriously, why must they continually reference Gran Soren as if it's the first time we've arrived here when I'm like 30 hours into the game?

I think what you meant to say was "The best AI companions ever."

HARPY!

#13 Posted by Yummylee (21204 posts) -

@GunstarRed said:

@Yummylee said:

  • Pawn AI is pretty moronic and they repeat their dialogue and talk over one another so much that it's just a flurry of gibberish. Not like they really have anything all that interesting to say to begin with, though. Seriously, why must they continually reference Gran Soren as if it's the first time we've arrived here when I'm like 30 hours into the game?

I think what you meant to say was "The best AI companions ever."

HARPY!

FIRE LEND THY KISS! /wrist

#14 Posted by Humanity (8714 posts) -

@Yummylee: I played it on the 360 and had no issues with it. Some of the UI was a little weird and there were some weird scaling issues with text but the game itself was still amazing. I think a large part of it was that it's an Eastern European game and the guys seem reluctant to touch anything from that part of the world. I suppose everyone in the crew has their niches though. Patrick will talk about 999 and I doubt any of the other guys really care. Brad was amazed by Dust and I also don't think the other really played much of it. Mark of the Ninja should get a lot more love this year as it was a downloadable title that literally got everything right in my opinion.

#15 Posted by Slab64 (1045 posts) -

@Tylea002 said:

What about Dragon's Dogma?

#16 Edited by Karkarov (2942 posts) -

@Seppli said:

Just listening to the Day 2 podcast, Dragon's Dogma seemed to miss in action completely. Not a single mention, and there were lots of categories it could fit, like 'best debut' or 'most surprising'. Not making a case for it here really, since I only played the demo thus far, but I've seen the game pop up on many GotY lists, and find its premise promising, and liked the demo quite a lot. It's definitely on my 'to play' list.

Do you think Dragon's Dogma is being overlooked? Do believe it deserves mention? Make a case for Dragon's Dogma!

It is an RPG. Unless an RPG becomes main stream and all gamers just have to love it because it is "in" (ala Dark Souls/Skyrim) the staff of this site doesn't really give a crap about it. It will definitely be on my top 10 list if it makes you feel better and it is definitely my top new IP of this year.

When the DLC hits and or it gets a sequel it may get a better look, let's hope anyway.

#17 Edited by Little_Socrates (5675 posts) -

Against the other nominees for Best Debut, it just wouldn't have stayed for more than a "Dragon's Dogma?" "Yeah, okay, let's add it to the list, and then cut it from this list."

For Biggest Surprise? I dunno, it didn't look bad before it came out, it looked kind of middling. And instead it came out mixed, which leads to the same review score. I wouldn't at all call it a "surprise."

Did it get overlooked? Sure, it did. But you don't always have time to play everything, regardless of how the schedules work out. And Dragon's Dogma wasn't really a must-play by any standard, even though some people did really enjoy it.

#18 Posted by Karkarov (2942 posts) -

@Little_Socrates said:

Against the other nominees for Best Debut, it just wouldn't have stayed for more than a "Dragon's Dogma?" "Yeah, okay, let's add it to the list, and then cut it from this list."

For Biggest Surprise? I dunno, it didn't look bad before it came out, it looked kind of middling. And instead it came out mixed, which leads to the same review score. I wouldn't at all call it a "surprise."

Did it get overlooked? Sure, it did. But you don't always have time to play everything, regardless of how the schedules work out. And Dragon's Dogma wasn't really a must-play by any standard, even though some people did really enjoy it.

Opinions man everyone has em. Personally I think The Walking Dead is a steaming pile of over rated crap that should not be considered must play by anyone but people will obviously disagree with me. If you like RPG's, particularly ones with good combat, Dragon's Dogma definitely should have been on your must play list.

#19 Posted by KittyVonDoom (445 posts) -

What about... all those other games that only one staff member played and will blatantly not win anything (unless that staff member is Brad).

#20 Posted by Little_Socrates (5675 posts) -

@Karkarov: I'm glad someone has said so, at least. Most people defending Dragon's Dogma have been talking about it the same way people talk about Asura's Wrath; incredibly defensively, as if to say "Yeah, this game sucks, but I really like it." Kind of like the ME3 Ending Apologists.

But, fuck that. Either defend your game or let it rot. If you like the game, it's probably pretty good. It doesn't have to be perfect to be good, either.

#21 Posted by YI_Orange (1124 posts) -

@Karkarov: I love RPGs, I love games that play well. Dragon's Dogma is still a middling game. I'll admit I haven't finished it yet, I'm like level 30 though. I'm mostly ignoring side missions because traveling around that world is just that much of a pain in the ass. Fighting wolves and goblins and harpies isn't fun anymore. Cyclopses are a joke and Ogres are just tedious. I want to love that game, I really do, but it just has so many problems. I'm actually skipping through dialogue because I'm not even slightly interested in what anyone has to say. The pawns talk far too much. And while climbing things is cool, the game essentially becomes MASH THE ATTACK BUTTON once you're on something.

I don't think Dragon's Dogma has been overlooked, I just don't think there's been a category it would belong in yet.

#22 Posted by Jimbo (9769 posts) -

It's not very good unfortunately. It makes a decent first impression, before proceeding to fall apart due to very basic design errors. It wouldn't have taken much for it to be a great game though, and I have hope that a sequel would quite easily be (and should be) a much better game.

#23 Posted by Beforet (2911 posts) -

On the topic of Giant Bomb and RPGs: yeah, they tend to pass over the genre. But I think that's more due to time than inherent biases. In a world where most games are 8-12 hours plus multiplayer, RPGs that are 20-50+ hours are really long. And Giant Bomb only has so many people playing games. As a result, they tend to only take the time commitment towards games that seem necessary to report on, like Skyrim and The Witcher 2.

On the topic of Dragon's Dogma: It's been on my list. A friend of mine has called it "a kinder Demon's Souls" which makes me kind of excited, actually. But from what I've heard, it does sound like it has a lot of issues, enough to keep it out of the serious GotY talks. But I still want to try it, as I've also heard a lot of good things about it. (And I wanna see this ending people keep talking about)