Posted by BisonHero (6169 posts) 1 year, 5 months ago

Poll: Would it be too awkward to Skype Alex Navarro in on Bombcasts, occasionally? (275 votes)

Yes 35%
No 65%

Not even like every week, but maybe once a month? Or for something like this week's podcast, where they're down Jeff and Patrick?

Granted, I've listened to other Skype-based podcasts where the awkward delays are noticeable, and I listen to one Skype-based podcast where it is meticulously produced afterwards to minimize the delay between responses so it sounds like more of a natural conversation, with no random 2-3 second Skype delays (though Ryan would certainly never have the time to do this). So maybe Skype would just kill the Bombcast's flow of conversation and jokes.

Still, the three main reviewers on Giant Bomb right now are pretty much Jeff, Brad, and Alex (Ryan seems to barely write reviews anymore except during times with a bunch of releases, because I imagine he is busy handling the podcast, MCing most of their livestreams, and sitting in on a good deal of Quick Looks). It seems unfortunate that they can't have Alex's voice be literally heard more often.

#1 Posted by Yummylee (21251 posts) -

He seemed to fit in well enough during the final 2012 GOTY podcast, so I think it could still work if they slot him in every so often. Not for a whole podcast, but at least allow him to chip in every once and a while.

#2 Edited by Ubersmake (754 posts) -

If it's a choice between More Alex or No Alex, my vote goes to More Alex.

#3 Posted by Video_Game_King (36004 posts) -

Somebody post the "all the familiarity of a Skype podcast" clip from the Bombcast.

#4 Posted by Winternet (8006 posts) -

It would be awkward, but that's why it needs to happen.

#5 Posted by Kidavenger (3510 posts) -

A lot of the podcasts I listen to are done over Skype and they are fine, the main issue is how many people are in the conversation, 6 people is a bit much on a regular basis.

#6 Posted by DaMisterChief (628 posts) -

He would not be in the room, not the same but who knows since its theater of the mind

#7 Posted by EuanDewar (4757 posts) -

is mbmbam done over skype, im pretty sure it is

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#8 Edited by BisonHero (6169 posts) -

@video_game_king said:

Somebody post the "all the familiarity of a Skype podcast" clip from the Bombcast.

Done.

@euandewar said:

is mbmbam done over skype, im pretty sure it is

Yes, it is. That's the awkwardness I'm talking about: it's very slight, but sometimes they talk over each other, then pause and say "-ergh, you go ahead".

#9 Edited by Winternet (8006 posts) -

@bisonhero said:

@video_game_king said:

Somebody post the "all the familiarity of a Skype podcast" clip from the Bombcast.

Done.

GOD YES!

#10 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

The problem with Skype is that it's terrible if you're trying to make a professional-sounding recording.

#11 Posted by Scrawnto (2434 posts) -

@euandewar:It is, but those guys are family, and they do it in their free time. Alex is four hours ahead of the other guys, so he'd probably be well into his evening when they started recording. Time zones are bothersome like that. I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to keep his free time to himself, instead of spending them on more work.

You also shouldn't underestimate the lag you get when Skyping that far. Lots more people talking over each other happens in that sort of situation.

All that said, if he was up for it I'd be down for hearing him pop in occasionally.

#12 Posted by President_Barackbar (3434 posts) -
@scrawnto said:

@euandewar:It is, but those guys are family, and they do it in their free time. Alex is four hours ahead of the other guys, so he'd probably be well into his evening when they started recording. Time zones are bothersome like that.

You just made the perfect case for Swatch Internet time

#13 Posted by Bocam (3671 posts) -

Podtoid sounds fine and that's a Skype podcast

#14 Posted by cutyoface (541 posts) -

I just want more Alex.

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#15 Edited by BisonHero (6169 posts) -

@scrawnto: Yeah, timezones are a valid point. Even if they wanted to record the Bombcast earlier in the day to accommodate Alex, the studio they record in sounds like it has a schedule and it might be difficult to change their time slot. Taking up Alex's entire Tuesday evening is probably not ideal for him.

Still, even just bringing Alex in for the News/Emails/New Releases portion of the Bombcast would be something, especially given that, at present, the Bombcast seems to spend like 100+ minutes on Introduction/Whatcha Been Playin', then frantically rushes through News/Emails/New Releases in the last like 45 minutes of the podcast.

#16 Posted by Mister_V (1193 posts) -

This site needs more Alex. It would be great to have him on the Bombcast every once in a while.

#17 Posted by totaboy (44 posts) -

Skype is always death for podcasts, without exception.

Podcasts should always have all participants in the same room.

#18 Posted by MildMolasses (3213 posts) -

@scrawnto said:

@euandewar:It is, but those guys are family, and they do it in their free time. Alex is four hours ahead of the other guys, so he'd probably be well into his evening when they started recording. Time zones are bothersome like that.

You just made the perfect case for Swatch Internet time

How? However the beats work, they don't magically make sun shine over the entire world simultaneously? SIT or not, whenever they do something on the west coast, it is still later in the day than on the east coast.

#19 Posted by louiedog (2335 posts) -

A properly produced podcast with Skype users can work really well, but with a room full of people and one guy on the phone the rhythm gets broken up too much. I like hearing from Alex occasionally, and hope all of his travel to the bay area can include a Bombcast, but I don't think it works well enough to be a regular thing. It also adds time to the production side of things because unless you want it to sound like crap, you need the Skype caller to record their audio locally, upload it to the person producing the podcast, and then they have to sync it in.

#20 Edited by aquamarin (555 posts) -

It would feel forced, if it wasn't a special occasion, like a GOTY podcast. I've come to expect that Skype conversation sound from most other podcasts these days, but one of the things that really ups the quality of the bombcast in my mind is that it is four dudes sitting around talking shop so they are able to play off each other in real time and maintain a consistent sound quality.

#21 Posted by Snail (8580 posts) -

It worked fine in that Game of the Year podcast.

#22 Posted by President_Barackbar (3434 posts) -
#23 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -

@louiedog said:

A properly produced podcast with Skype users can work really well, but with a room full of people and one guy on the phone the rhythm gets broken up too much. I like hearing from Alex occasionally, and hope all of his travel to the bay area can include a Bombcast, but I don't think it works well enough to be a regular thing. It also adds time to the production side of things because unless you want it to sound like crap, you need the Skype caller to record their audio locally, upload it to the person producing the podcast, and then they have to sync it in.

I think the last big live live show proved that. I'd imagine feeling like the third wheel too. It would just break up the flow way too much. I don't even think he ever wanted to podcast.

#24 Edited by EchoEcho (815 posts) -

If it would be too awkward to have Alex on the Bombcast proper, Jeff should just do a separate, hour-long Skype cast with him every couple of weeks so he can chime in on topics and have someone to bounce his thoughts off of. They could have a rotating third seat, too, if someone else wanted to join in. Would like to hear what @alex thinks about something like this possibly happening.

#25 Posted by BBAlpert (1370 posts) -

@totaboy said:

Skype is always death for podcasts, without exception.

Podcasts should always have all participants in the same room.

It seems to work alright for the Judge John Hodgman podcast (I think they usually use Skype for that, at least).

#26 Posted by Max_Cherry (1131 posts) -

I wish Alex was in every podcast.

#27 Posted by Phatmac (5721 posts) -

More Alex is always good.

#28 Posted by Sgtpierceface (610 posts) -

It would be awkward, but get him on for about an hour on a podcast once every month. It would be nice to not have to wait till the end of the year to hear his opinions.

Ex. I got Hotline Miami after Alex fought so hard for it, and LOVED it. He definitely needs to get on more often.

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#29 Edited by I_Stay_Puft (3020 posts) -

Probably not with the Bombcast, the podcast is crowded enough with 5 crew members. Also Skype doesn't work well, look at the comicvine podcast with Sara skyping in for each episode. Half the time she either gets cut off or doesn't speak for full on segments, totally different compared to if you were in the same room with those people. Seriously would enjoy a off shoot podcast every now and then with Alex in it but not every week.

#30 Posted by ajamafalous (11848 posts) -

I think it could work if Alex was acknowledged as the 'primary speaker' for 30-45 minutes every few episodes, with him giving his opinions on what he's played since his last visit, with the rest of the crew maybe prompting questions for certain things they already discussed about the games, to get his take on them. Trying to have a back and forth between him and a room full of other dudes is probably not the way to go about it.

#31 Edited by probablytuna (3535 posts) -

I wouldn't mind more Alex in Bombcasts.

#32 Edited by super2j (1653 posts) -

I would say yes, but only if they can get rid of the lag. The bombcast is fast and loose, no time to awkwardly have pauses that rival a jrpg.

#33 Posted by GeekDown (1170 posts) -

They should at least have him on when he's reviewed a big release, like SimCity. It would be interesting to hear him talk about the games he's played and reviewed just like the other guys.

#34 Posted by tourgen (4427 posts) -

More Alex would work for me. It might give the other guys a week off here or there.

#35 Posted by EXTomar (4497 posts) -

On the topic, the way the dynamic in Bombcast works, I'm not sure if any video conference will work out well because of the way they play off each other's reactions.

On the topic of Skype itself, I find the application has gotten worse and worse in terms of interface and quality ever since Microsoft has taken it over. As shown above doing even simple stuff is stupidly complex while they made sure it was really easy to see multiple ads.

#36 Edited by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

When Jeff and Brad(?) were playing Too Human, I was thinking it would be cool to have a feature where one of the bomb crew plays a online game, or MMO, and Alex joins the game with them, they cut the stream in, somehow, or just record it locally, and splice it together later.

The only stipulation is that the only communication is the communication options aloud in game.

#37 Edited by EXTomar (4497 posts) -

If we want to get to solving the technical problem: Giantbomb should run their own private Ventrillo or Teamspeak server for occasions when they need this type of conferencing. They should be using those when ever they do a MP game on those live shows anyway.

Skype is poor if not terrible solution to the problem where even Google Hangouts do a better job and that says a lot.

#38 Edited by Lazyaza (2167 posts) -

Eh the destructoid guys have been podtoiding with Skype for years and theirs are just fine. Yeah its less professional and awkward at times but I could go for some classic Alex super cynicism now and then on the old bormcaust.

#39 Edited by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

The problem with running servers at Giantbomb is the firewall thing.

#40 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4330 posts) -

I want more Alex on the bombcast

#41 Edited by AndrewB (7491 posts) -

I would love it despite the awkwardness just because I'd like to hear more from Alex, but yes, that Skype lag...

#42 Posted by Rafaelfc (1313 posts) -

I think it would be better / funnier if Alex did a periodic "report" on the bad games he's been playing, just a crazy one-man talking to himself about weird, bad stuff (reminds me a bit of another podcast that shall not be named)

#44 Posted by Gamer_152 (14051 posts) -

It'd be cool to see/hear more Alex on Giant Bomb, I kind of miss his input from the Whiskey Media days.

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#45 Posted by Zleunamme (651 posts) -

More Alex would be great.

#46 Edited by MonetaryDread (1992 posts) -

Although I would love to hear more Alex on the Bombcast, SKYPE podcasts are awful things, especially when the SKYPE caller is the only one not physically present for the podcast. The reasons why I hate SKYPE guests calling in is because the sound quality is diminished, there is a lag to everything they speak, the lag forces callers to become more forceful when interrupting the podcast in order for their voice to be heard (or they just sit in silence the entire time because of it), and again, the sound is shit.

#47 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3786 posts) -

I understand why they don't Skype can sound pretty rough and the Bombcast is probably the best sounding podcast I listen to. That said I'd totally put up with some sound funkiness to get Alex on once in a while.

#48 Edited by gkhan (417 posts) -

The GOTY podcasts with Alex were fine, so it's clearly doable. Not every week perhaps, but it would have been nice to hear his thoughts on SimCity, for instance.

#49 Posted by Gaff (1651 posts) -

@gkhan said:

The GOTY podcasts with Alex were fine, so it's clearly doable. Not every week perhaps, but it would have been nice to hear his thoughts on SimCity, for instance.

I could've sworn he was in San Francisco for a day when he sat in on them.

#50 Posted by RazielCuts (2930 posts) -

@bisonhero said:

@euandewar said:

is mbmbam done over skype, im pretty sure it is

Yes, it is. That's the awkwardness I'm talking about: it's very slight, but sometimes they talk over each other, then pause and say "-ergh, you go ahead".

I think the fact you had to second guess wether it was done over Skype makes it apparent it isn't *so* bad with the talking over each other thing. I think it works there but only because of the 3 person limit, with the Bombcasts usually being 5 an added 6th would turn into a stop frame shambles (they step over each other enough already and they're in the same room :P .)