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Posted by kekon

@animasta said:

@Phatmac said:

@depecheload said:

@Smokey_Earhole said:

@depecheload

I for one don't want to play Dust because the art style looks like garbage. They can yiff away for all I care.

Do come out of the furry closet. It will be a great relief for you!

I have been to Anthrocon and danced with furries! Ha.

Hey, if you like the game that's great. I'm not judging anyone for digging it or the art style, I just really find it visually displeasing and don't want to play it. But furries are awesome, I got no problem with them at all.

Clearly art styles for games are everything in a video game despite Dust being incredible. Go miss out on one of the best games this year because of your own stubbornness.

yes because he can only have one reason for not wanting to play a game.

Late to the party, but having a reason to not like something. Can still be a shitty reason

>The More You Know

Posted by DoctorWelch

@Binman88 said:

@ProfessorEss said:

@Humanity said:

As much as I love the Bombcast and the crew, what I take issue with is sometimes this overwhelming feeling that if you don't agree with the guys then your opinion is obviously wrong.

Yeah I find that frustrating at times too. Everyone who agrees with them is a smart, level-headed, productive member of society who thinks long and deep before offering up their balanced and open-minded opinion. Anyone who disagrees is generic, reactionary, internet scum. The funny thing is, the binary single-mindedness and aggression with which they often make these sorts of statements usually sounds (to me) just like the angry, knee-jerking that they are condemning.

Just listening to this bombcast now and quoting this instead of writing my own reply because it encapsulates my thoughts on this whole thing perfectly.

I know this is a discussion from like a million years ago, but I just had to comment because I thought it was so on point. I also just wanted to add that the guys obviously aren't infalible, and anyone who would think so probably doesn't know what that word means, but I think the best point made in the above comment is on how they voice some of their opinions. Even if their arguments or opinions are reasonable, sometimes they voice them in the exact internet-forum-esque way they constantly condem. There are even times where I hear the guys say something like, "Blank sucks," for no other reason than they simply think that way. I"m always disappointed when I hear something like that.

Obviously, no one is perfect, and everyone gets pissed about some comments on the internet from time to time, but the key to not making yourself look like a fool is to just calm down and voice your opinion in a way that is reasonable rather then heated and reactionary.

The last thing I'll say is that I wish some of the guys were more comfortable disagreeing with the others. Sometimes I feel like a certain side of an argument is just crushed even though there's someone there disagreeing with the majority.

Posted by abdo

@ShadowKing7: Yeah. I don't usually go back and listen to old podcasts, but I had to come back to hear this one more time.

Posted by firecracker22

I think the case they make for the "furries" hate Dust has been getting was a good one.

People choosing to hate a game they haven't played, or read up on, solely because they've attached the term "furries" it is kinda fucked up.

Posted by namesonkel

Brad plays Dust with one hand...

Posted by HowDire

The Dust argument was painful to listen to. There is a difference between furries and Disney...

Posted by paulunga

Gaikai ALREADY works really well for me. I actually won a race in NFS: The Run. I might not play Street Fighter on it, but if it's good enough for a racing game, it's good enough for just about anything else.

Posted by Binman88

Also, PSA: 01:18:00 to 01:30:00 is the Dust nonsense you'll want to skip.

Posted by Binman88

@ProfessorEss said:

@Humanity said:

As much as I love the Bombcast and the crew, what I take issue with is sometimes this overwhelming feeling that if you don't agree with the guys then your opinion is obviously wrong.

Yeah I find that frustrating at times too. Everyone who agrees with them is a smart, level-headed, productive member of society who thinks long and deep before offering up their balanced and open-minded opinion. Anyone who disagrees is generic, reactionary, internet scum. The funny thing is, the binary single-mindedness and aggression with which they often make these sorts of statements usually sounds (to me) just like the angry, knee-jerking that they are condemning.

Just listening to this bombcast now and quoting this instead of writing my own reply because it encapsulates my thoughts on this whole thing perfectly.

Posted by Dan_CiTi

The Chamberlin and Mellotron 1960s "samplers" were basically people being nostalgic/wanting the sound of the 1940s.

Edited by Patchcoat
"I beat uh, Dan Hsu handedly... whooped his ass... he wasn't happy about that."
Posted by Maginnovision

@Thoseposers: That's because he's a zelda fanboy

Posted by cocowawa

this is a sleepy brad??!! he was on fire

Edited by Roboculus92

People need to stop talking about Dust's art style. Nobody on either side of the argument is gonna convince anybody at this point so just leave it be. If anything this guy deserves some more credit due to all the work he was able to accomplish. Besides, there are too many good moments in this Bombcast to focus on that small part.

edit: I knew Paul Walker was destined to be a soldier. Or maybe all soldiers should be more like Paul Walker? Gonna have to think about it some more.

Posted by adambyrney

@Xeirus said:

@adambyrney said:

@MonkeyKing1969 said:

The Bombcast is a podcast not a debate club.

WHAT THAT MEANS

1) They can have inconsistent arguments

2) They can utilize barely perceptible sarcasm, or overt impossible to miss sarcasm on some subjects

3) They can be unreliable in explaining their beliefs, likes, dislikes, and their positions (consciously or unconsciously)

4) They can say something for comic effect and NEVER say, "Just kidding...a king size mattress is not necessary." Because, yes, it could be they are f_cking with some of the more spastic, knee-jerk of you on the boards.

DO you get it folks? The Bombcast it is a podcast, not a legally, morally, or psychology defensible position paper on gaming. They will say things they mean, things they do not mean, or even just overtly lie to annoy and confuse the listener. In addition [gasp] from week to week, month to month, and year to year they can change their opinion! What they think about anything might not be the positions taken in a month, a year, or ten years.

That means of those of you trying to keep score at home, there is no score. There is nothing to catch them out on because it is an off-the-cuff rap session among friends. Sit back, relax, and shrug your shoulders because it is not worth analyzing with a fine toothed comb.

Seems like you are analysing comment opinions with a fine tooth comb.

This is a comment section you stupid CUNT. See I can say silly things - please defend me in bullet points too.

You're both nerds, no one cares

You cared enough to respond

Posted by antivanti

Awesome old school software nostalgia. This is the sort of quality programming that makes me always come back to giantbomb =P

Edited by Vegetable_Side_Dish
"I think the internet demonized furry culture" 
 
I think they did that to themselves when some of them started wanting to give dogs blowjobs and created a fandom around bestiality.  
I dunno. 
Posted by ShadowKing7

Jeff's Megatron rant was the best. I would kill to hear Megatron actually say "Eat a dick" or "Fuck you, I'm Megatron!"

Posted by Osaladin

It's sad that everyone that doesn't like the Dust art is getting lumped up with the "furry" argument. Why can't I just not like the art style? I don't care if it's talking animals or not.

Posted by styder

Jeff "Smell My Microphone" Gerstmann

Posted by Xeirus

@adambyrney said:

@MonkeyKing1969 said:

The Bombcast is a podcast not a debate club.

WHAT THAT MEANS

1) They can have inconsistent arguments

2) They can utilize barely perceptible sarcasm, or overt impossible to miss sarcasm on some subjects

3) They can be unreliable in explaining their beliefs, likes, dislikes, and their positions (consciously or unconsciously)

4) They can say something for comic effect and NEVER say, "Just kidding...a king size mattress is not necessary." Because, yes, it could be they are f_cking with some of the more spastic, knee-jerk of you on the boards.

DO you get it folks? The Bombcast it is a podcast, not a legally, morally, or psychology defensible position paper on gaming. They will say things they mean, things they do not mean, or even just overtly lie to annoy and confuse the listener. In addition [gasp] from week to week, month to month, and year to year they can change their opinion! What they think about anything might not be the positions taken in a month, a year, or ten years.

That means of those of you trying to keep score at home, there is no score. There is nothing to catch them out on because it is an off-the-cuff rap session among friends. Sit back, relax, and shrug your shoulders because it is not worth analyzing with a fine toothed comb.

Seems like you are analysing comment opinions with a fine tooth comb.

This is a comment section you stupid CUNT. See I can say silly things - please defend me in bullet points too.

You're both nerds, no one cares

Edited by adambyrney

@Maurdakar said:

@adambyrney: So your enjoyment of it is ruined by rule 34? Cuz that applies to every IP in existence. Not typing in a rude way ser, just curious.

Hmm no not ruined - in this case its just a little obvious. It's like if the Simpsons came after the knock off animated porn of it. Yes that's more explicit but there's still a connection.

To be clear I don't care about the sex side of it but it seems like people are just denying it and lumping it in with more 'respectable' animation to validate it.

Posted by adambyrney

@MonkeyKing1969 said:

The Bombcast is a podcast not a debate club.

WHAT THAT MEANS

1) They can have inconsistent arguments

2) They can utilize barely perceptible sarcasm, or overt impossible to miss sarcasm on some subjects

3) They can be unreliable in explaining their beliefs, likes, dislikes, and their positions (consciously or unconsciously)

4) They can say something for comic effect and NEVER say, "Just kidding...a king size mattress is not necessary." Because, yes, it could be they are f_cking with some of the more spastic, knee-jerk of you on the boards.

DO you get it folks? The Bombcast it is a podcast, not a legally, morally, or psychology defensible position paper on gaming. They will say things they mean, things they do not mean, or even just overtly lie to annoy and confuse the listener. In addition [gasp] from week to week, month to month, and year to year they can change their opinion! What they think about anything might not be the positions taken in a month, a year, or ten years.

That means of those of you trying to keep score at home, there is no score. There is nothing to catch them out on because it is an off-the-cuff rap session among friends. Sit back, relax, and shrug your shoulders because it is not worth analyzing with a fine toothed comb.

Seems like you are analysing comment opinions with a fine tooth comb.

This is a comment section you stupid CUNT. See I can say silly things - please defend me in bullet points too.

Posted by Maurdakar

@adambyrney: So your enjoyment of it is ruined by rule 34? Cuz that applies to every IP in existence. Not typing in a rude way ser, just curious.

Posted by adambyrney

@Maurdakar said:

@adambyrney: Maybe a persons private (Internet private?) sexual tastes are just not relevant to video games.

I hear you but it's when its drawn in the same way that gets these grown guys excited (either sexually or otherwise). To me its obvious just looking at the art style that its different to Disney or starfox.

Sure some people will says its all just talking animals but I'm certain that the animators for Robin Hood weren't designing it for their own excited selves - it was mainly cutesy fodder for kids.

Edited by Naberius_Shrike

@Homelessbird: Way to miss the entire point of all of my posts. I don't care that they like the game. I don't care that they cover the game. I don't even have anything personally against furries. The primary issue here is that they are outright saying that people not wanting to play a game because it's not to their preferences are insane. They are praising Dust to the point of fanboyism and while their opinion is completely fine on that end, them essentially attacking people who think differently is not.

You're absolutely right that they can do whatever they want on their site, but that's getting into straw man territory. I come to Giant Bomb to listen to duders having fun and amusing conversations about video games and other random crap, not to hear them staunchly defend one silly game and call everyone that dislikes it "insane" or a "crackpot". Also, their examples are horrible. Women in games are not the same as furries in games. Women are not an art style. Patrick goes on to say it's a "baseless argument". There is nothing "baseless" about not liking a specific art style. Again, I couldn't give two fucks if they want to spend an hour talking about how good the game is, it's when they start ranting about people that don't like it that it becomes ridiculous.

This is the first time I've seen them get so wrapped up in one game. They talk about their personal obsessions all the time and it's usually light-hearted and funny, but this got way too militant.

Posted by dr_mantas

You can actually take a bit of liquid nitrogen in your mouth - but NEVER SWALLOW IT OR YOU THROAT CLOSES UP, and you can't breathe and die.

If it stays in your mouth, it just evaporates before touching you, so there's no damage. Just spit it out quick.

Of course - DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

Edited by MonkeyKing1969

The Bombcast is a podcast not a debate club.

WHAT THAT MEANS

1) They can have inconsistent arguments

2) They can utilize barely perceptible sarcasm, or overt impossible to miss sarcasm on some subjects

3) They can be unreliable in explaining their beliefs, likes, dislikes, and their positions (consciously or unconsciously)

4) They can say something for comic effect and NEVER say, "Just kidding...a king size mattress is not necessary." Because, yes, it could be they are f_cking with some of the more spastic, knee-jerk of you on the boards.

DO you get it folks? The Bombcast it is a podcast, not a legally, morally, or psychology defensible position paper on gaming. They will say things they mean, things they do not mean, or even just overtly lie to annoy and confuse the listener. In addition [gasp] from week to week, month to month, and year to year they can change their opinion! What they think about anything might not be the positions taken in a month, a year, or ten years.

That means of those of you trying to keep score at home, there is no score. There is nothing to catch them out on because it is an off-the-cuff rap session among friends. Sit back, relax, and shrug your shoulders because it is not worth analyzing with a fine toothed comb.

Posted by Maurdakar

@adambyrney: Maybe a persons private (Internet private?) sexual tastes are just not relevant to video games.

Posted by adambyrney

Goddamn, they cant admit that the guy is a well known 'furry' artist. Completely different from star fox. And 'white males' lol that's the lamest 'edgy' and most bizarre generalisation when people are criticising your game. ' Why cant white people put down their FPS's '

Posted by SunkenState

Glad to have you back, Patrick.

Posted by Homelessbird

@Thoseposers: I'm pretty sure it's in the middle of him talking about how he gave the game a second chance anyway, and he ended up loving it.

Posted by Homelessbird

@Naberius_Shrike: You mean numbnuts? All right, buddy. If that offends you, then I'm not surprised your prickly ass would reject a game based on how the characters are drawn. Or get offended because the Bomb folks disagree with you. But I apologize for that - i will insult you more directly.

GB often has bad reasons for disliking things or liking things, IMO. But hey, guess what, that's how people are. i think they should give the Dark/Demon Souls games a fairer shake, but I'm not gonna call them hypocrites for not doing it. It's their website, it's their choice what they want to cover, I can either bitch or not, they're not gonna listen either way. You can get mad all day if you want, it's your perogative, it's just kinda dumb. You can also play whatever games you want for whatever reasons - neither I nor the Bombcast can stop you - but it's totally within OUR rights to think you're an idiot for the reasons you provided.

Really though, I think the main point is this: your desire to equate a certain style of drawing anthropomorphic animals with people having sex in fursuits is your own problem, it's not a problem with Dust: An Elysian Tale.

Posted by Hatp

@Peanut said:

I sighed out loud as soon as I heard Patrick.

I sighed out loud as soon as I read a Peanut comment.

Posted by geirr

@Peanut said:

@Godlyawesomeguy said:

@Peanut said:

I sighed out loud as soon as I heard Patrick.

By posting this, what do you intend to accomplish? He's not going anywhere and it's not like your comment will make any bit of a difference.

Don't give a fuuuuuuuck. What's the purpose in posting any opinion on anything ever? There fucking is none.

The point might be to see if your opinions are good, or in your case, just wrong and hateful. Hate is bad and pointless and maybe you'll learn that. If not, well.. as you said, who cares.

Posted by geirr

@Naberius_Shrike:

Haha, If you've been listening to GiantBomb "since it started" and you now start reacting to hypocritical statements, you've not listened very well. They're dudes babbling back and forth without much thought and in such situation hypocrisy happens - I believe the word might be a little strong though since the subject is so silly. I'm fairly sure, like with anyone, if you're there and have the opportunity to point out the incidents, they'd go ".. Oh, right! Silly me."

I sometimes wonder if thinking before talking, just like fact checking, ruin podcasts because having been with Giantbomb from the humble beginnings they've always been this way.. and I don't want it to change.

Edited by Naberius_Shrike

@Homelessbird: Real cool that you have to resort to name calling. Real mature.

People going out of their way to disprove the fact that Dust's art isn't furry art are more ignorant than the people railing on it. The game's creator is a furry artist from Deviant Art. You can find his work very easily.

The reality is that a lot of people don't like the art style and they are completely entitled to that opinion. I know plenty of great anime series and visual novels, but I also I have friends I wouldn't recommend them to because I know they don't like that kind of art.

I have been coming to Giant Bomb since it started and this is the first thing that has made me remotely upset. Usually they're the ones talking about how crazy people are for clinging to certain games and defending them unreasonably. Now they're the ones doing it.

Also,

@Thoseposers said:

listen to what patrick says at 1:32, he sounds pretty dismissive of a game based on the art style

Posted by heavymetalwaffle

@Homelessbird: Haha, I totally forgot that gag. Just spent about 5 minutes laughing.

Posted by Anathem

@Homelessbird: Based on "Brad Shoemaker", he's from the bad-accent version of Australia. Orstrayleeea.

Posted by Thoseposers

@Homelessbird said:

@Naberius_Shrike said:

Apparently having an opinion makes you "insane" now?

I'm really disappointed with the Bombcast crew this time around. With their whole "Anime is for jerks" attitude and Brad's previous comments about TERA, they have no place telling people how they should think. Why can't they just accept that some people don't like furry art? They sound like they want to force-feed this game down everyone's throats regardless of their preferences. They can go and talk about how they dislike certain art styles and communities but as soon as they vilify other people that do the same, they become hypocrites.

I'm pretty sure GB plays games with art styles they don't like.

I've never heard them say "i know this game is bad before I played it because the art looks bad" or "i'm not going to play this game because I don't like the art"

Not to mention, most of the outcry was about furries. i'm not sure why, since there are no animal-people fucking in this game. Anthropomorphic animals are not furries.

Also, I'm pretty sure they can tell you whatever they want to. it's an internet podcast, numbnuts, don't like it? Go to some other site.

listen to what patrick says at 1:32, he sounds pretty dismissive of a game based on the art style

Posted by Homelessbird

@heavymetalwaffle: Brad is from Australia.

go listen to the 8-7-2012 podcast

Posted by Homelessbird

@Naberius_Shrike said:

Apparently having an opinion makes you "insane" now?

I'm really disappointed with the Bombcast crew this time around. With their whole "Anime is for jerks" attitude and Brad's previous comments about TERA, they have no place telling people how they should think. Why can't they just accept that some people don't like furry art? They sound like they want to force-feed this game down everyone's throats regardless of their preferences. They can go and talk about how they dislike certain art styles and communities but as soon as they vilify other people that do the same, they become hypocrites.

I'm pretty sure GB plays games with art styles they don't like.

I've never heard them say "i know this game is bad before I played it because the art looks bad" or "i'm not going to play this game because I don't like the art"

Not to mention, most of the outcry was about furries. i'm not sure why, since there are no animal-people fucking in this game. Anthropomorphic animals are not furries.

Also, I'm pretty sure they can tell you whatever they want to. it's an internet podcast, numbnuts, don't like it? Go to some other site.

Edited by heavymetalwaffle

Last time I checked, everyone on the Bombcast is a white guy from America(except for Brad).

Woah, woah, woah, slow down. Brad isn't from America? Or am I just missing the joke? He seems super-southern white guy to me.

(I've yet to listen to this Bombcast, if that explains anything.)

Edit: Yeah, I forgot that Brad is actually from Australia. How could I?

Posted by jimmyfenix

THIS IS WHY I LOVE THE BOMBCAST ARGUMENTS :D

Posted by Parsnip

Animal people done right = Sine Mora
Animal people done right = Beyond Good and Evil
Animal people done wrong = Dust
 
 
It just looks bad, regardless of all the furry discussion. Don't like it one bit. Still going to play it though.

Posted by Xymox

Fuck yeah fidonet.

Posted by Thoseposers

I don't know if anyone notices but straight up says right after their discussion on dust and how people are stupid for dismissing it for it's art style that he did the exact same thing with Darksiders

Posted by Potter9156

@m2cks said:

@Potter9156 said:

@CaptStickybeard said:

The creator said Dust wasn't made for "straight white guys" ?

How bold. How daring. How cutting edge.

And who's playing the game? Straight white guys, of course.

The entire Dust segment was a farce.

Nice generalization there, dude.

Last time I checked, everyone on the Bombcast is a white guy from America(except for Brad).

Good to hear :) Every girl (excuse me, woman) in my life that has had a chance to try Dust:AET has been immediately drawn by the art, whereas it's more of a polarizing thing for guys. Many of my aesthetic decisions were to appeal to a different audience than your standard white American dudebro gamer.
Edited by illmatic19

I was one of those who didn't like Patrick on the podcast or even on quick looks. But having him back was really refreshing to hear. I'm glad he is doing ok. It's like Ryan said, he really has become 'one of them' so to speak.

Welcome back Patrick.

Posted by geirr

@Tarsier said:

the hypocrisy of this podcast is astounding , when they get into the furry stuff . they like a game and they are dis crediting anyone who doesnt like it because of its art style . there are certain art styles that give off bad vibes. i dont want to think about furries and shitty internet culture when i am playing a video game. thats the vibe it gives off, and thats why i am never going to play the game. how great it is doesnt detract from that reality. stop acting like anyone who doesnt want to play the game because of the art style is some kind of wretched internet troll. this opinion and stance is completely legitimate. also, how many times have you guys judged a game based on its art style and then decided not to play it?

if this game doesnt sell because it features furries, that is unfortunate, especially if it hurts the well being of the guy who made it and clearly put a ton of work into it. however he should have thought about it before hand, because its obviously very important, and people cant just ignore such a huge aspect of the game. have a nice day

For one, they don't hate art styles, they hate bad versions of art styles. It's like anime vs aniderp. Everything can be done right, and done wrong. In this case it's a beautiful game filled with fantasy creatures, good animations, generally pleasant voice acting and great gameplay to boot. If you, as a gamer, deny yourself of experiencing this game because of a tiny internet culture you obviously know nothing about - but have heard is icky from trolls or ignorant people - you indeed need to reassess your priorities, 'less you love your ignorance too much. Therefor the GB argument of getting the fuck over it and enjoying life still stands.

If everyone focused on everything negative in any culture, bit it a tiny or a big one, we'd be really screwed.