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Posted by VikG

Thanks for the Amsterdam RLD street dealer imitation which made me spit my drink over my monitor! (at least I think that's what it was!)

Posted by dropabombonit

Finally the ME3 spoilercast we have been waiting for

Posted by BigDaveisCheap

It sounds like Ryan rented porno from the video store I worked at in college. His description of our 'blue room' is oddly specific right down to the saloon doors and binder.

Posted by ZeekDaGeek

If you want to skip past all the Mass Effect 3 talk it ends at exactly 1h in with Ryan Davis saying "Vinny Caravella... what.. uh... what have you been playing?"

Posted by MoonwalkSA

Patrick really rocked the hell out of this podcast, especially during the ME3 spoilercast.

Posted by smekke

@ZeekDaGeek: Thanks!

Posted by smokyexe

Does Patrick have a history of stuttering or something?

Posted by Bell_End

all that ME3 talk made me want to go back and play it again. i fucking loved that game.

i loved it like a fat kid loves cake!

shame i have no time to replay games

Posted by kyrieee

@Death_Burnout said:

I've started Far Cry 2 at least 6 times. 5 times on PC, once on 360. I have never once come across a bug like that.

Besides, Jeff not being able to complete that tutorial? There are no words.

You've never come across it therefore it doesn't exist? Sorry, that's not how deductive reasoning works.

Posted by falling_fast

I agree with Jeff on the game being EA'd to death

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@Death_Burnout said:

@ArtisanBreads said:

@CH3BURASHKA said:

>Justin McElroy and the Nier fishing incident

>Jeff and his malaria incident

Situations like these make me lose faith in humanity, or at least game journalists. On the one hand, it's quite possible the game was bugged, and the icon leading to the church was missing. However, judging by the Quick Looks, it's most likely he missed the dialog that explained how to deal with the malaria thing and turned into a pissy baby and said, "I'm never touching that again." Incidentally, exactly how JM reacted. At the time, I found it funny and ridiculous that the game was that terrible, until the comments section became saturated with comments to the contrary, and pointing out his stupidity. Had he (they) been stupid and admitted it, that'd be one thing, but to dismiss the game outright because of your own mistake is another thing altogether.

No I don't think Jeff is dumb or that this is hard to believe. I like how you say it's his mistake though and he's a "pissy baby". You're a joke.

I played Far Cry 2 and got in a situation after I first got the disease and had to go get pills inside some house. The guy to give them to me got stuck behind a door and the game saved upon entering the house so I could literally not progress any further.

They fucked up having these kind of situations in a game that wasn't totally polished.

I've started Far Cry 2 at least 6 times. 5 times on PC, once on 360. I have never once come across a bug like that.

Besides, Jeff not being able to complete that tutorial? There are no words.

Bugs exist. Good for you that you didn't encounter them.

Posted by mbr2

Talk an hour about ME3 ending. Why do I keep thinking I want to listen to this inane babble?

Posted by Begilerath

@Ryan: Thanks!

Posted by chaosnovaxz

My (main) problem with the ending was the stupid illusion of choice.

It's fine if they want to wrap up the series in a bottlenecked, concrete manner. However, they told me to make a choice, essentially picking my favorite color - all of which did the same exact thing (same cutscene), so why tell me to make a choice? Just end the game once I get to the Starchild. Speaking of which, why did the Reaper AI just all of a sudden decide to activate that space elevator, and then just allow me to make a cycle-stopping decision? A cycle that has been going on for millenia, that this AI supports, and has control over? It's non-sensical.

They fixed the bullshit Normandy scene in the Extended Cut, so I'm grateful for that. Turns out there was no big twist, but it was better than just having to assume "ok, I guess Joker's just running away from the fight and jumping through relays for....no reason, I guess, wtf?"

I don't let all those issues with the last five minutes overshadow the huge amount of fun I had with the rest of the game, though. :P

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@kyrieee said:

@Death_Burnout said:

I've started Far Cry 2 at least 6 times. 5 times on PC, once on 360. I have never once come across a bug like that.

Besides, Jeff not being able to complete that tutorial? There are no words.

You've never come across it therefore it doesn't exist? Sorry, that's not how deductive reasoning works.

I wasn't implying it doesn't exist, I was just stating: I haven't experienced that in all of my lengthy play.

I'll never understand the picking apart of comments here. You have to post an essay just to cover your ass from scrutiny, which of course wouldn't work anyway so, hey.

@ArtisanBreads: Indeed!

Posted by jakkblades

Vinny spoiled the second Hyperion book for me. Thanks

Posted by wedgeski

Jesus, calm the fuck down Patrick. "insult" and "spit in my face" are emotes a twelve year-old uses on the WoW forums when Rogues have been nerfed.

Posted by CharAznable

Jeff, I totally feel you on the anger and indignation at the end of the Mass Effect story. So much squandered potential. Thanks, guys, for the great analysis. I've been waiting months to hear your thoughts.

I'm pumped for the upcoming GOTY podcast marathon. Best time of the year.

Posted by MooseyMcMan

So far as I'm concerned, the Shepard Lives ending is the ONLY ending to Mass Effect 3. Or at least the only one that I like.

Posted by AlisterCat

I'm not going to like this podcast, I bet. Hearing anger at Mass Effect just annoys me.

Posted by AlisterCat

I will say the Control Paragon ending seems like the best to me. Controlling the reapers as Shepard to rebuild the universe.

Posted by zenmastah

Totally agree that the way DLC was handeled on ME3 was BAD.

Straight up suits calling the shots on that one and i loathe that kind of reasoning.

Posted by Soviet666

Sounds like Patrick was already defending his GOTY choices :). Will see.

Posted by Xeirus

@wedgeski said:

Jesus, calm the fuck down Patrick. "insult" and "spit in my face" are emotes a twelve year-old uses on the WoW forums when Rogues have been nerfed.

So are accusations that someone is a 12 year-old when they clearly aren't.

I actually agree with Patrick, though I actually just don't give a shit anymore because I've been through my anger stage and have moved on.

As they said (in length), this is something they got you invested in and you spent years playing, only to have them rush it out the door with no effort at all as to the ending.

Posted by Potter9156

Watching the ME3 ending on yt was kind of depressing.

Posted by OneManX

@Matoyak said:

@Humanity said:

@NTM said:

@SAC said:

@ZeroV2 said:

Really now bombcast, if you must spoil ME3 just do a ME3cast where that's all you talk about. I have to skip around and hope that I land on a part that doesn't totally ruin the story of a game with an extreme emphasis on story? Thanks

my sentiments exactly... it's pretty annoying because now we must listen to a significantly shorter bombcast.

This simply has to do with your love of the bombcast, and lack of time playing or buying games you should and want to play. There was a lot of time from that games release and people finishing it up to here, so you shouldn't just expect them to be sensitive about it by now. At some point in the future, everything has to be expressed. This is just like complaining for any game or even film that came out in the past; "Wait... At the end of Sixth Sense Bruce Willis was actually dead!? Why would you guys spoil that!? I haven't seen it yet! You should have made a spoiler-cast for that." I would personally say after everyone that works on the site goes through it, they should have the instinctual go ahead and talk about it if they want to without people whining about it. It doesn't matter how long it has been out, it should be that when they want to talk about it on their podcast, they should talk about it, and they should expect no complaining over it.

Those are MY sentiments. I get so irritated when instead of a thoughtful discussion they all say "oh well it hasn't been out long enough lets not spoil it" and then they move on to talking about Dennys for 40 minutes. I love tangents on the Bombcast, but if they are in lieu of actual game talk thats shitty. I wouldn't mind if they talked about game spoilers even sooner. Mass Effect 3 came out a long time ago, you can't expect the world to wait for you to get around to an almost year old game and walk around on tip toes in case you overhear a spoiler. Frankly I'm surprised with the amount of talk online that you haven't had it inadvertently spoiled already.

There have been SO MANY games though that have come out over the past year or two that there are tons of people who haven't the time or money to get ME3 and play through it to completion (Let's remember, this is a massive game and requires a lot of hours to play to completion). I would personally be more than OK with a shorter regular "bombcast" and a spoilercast as a separate thing. But hey, that's not my call, it just totally sucks that people who want to enjoy both the Bombcast and ME3's story sans spoilers have to guess and hunt and peck around trying to hope to avoid getting a spoiler dropped on them. It would be one thing if it was a set period of time, but while the liner notes say "one solid hour" this is the bombcast...there's no guarantee that if you skip one hour in the podcast that you're not going to get the tail end of the spoiler talk, and that's where the big (perhaps giant? Nah, that'd be silly) bomb might be. Granted, I've come to the conclusion I just don't like ME3 enough gameplay OR story-wise to finish it in the time I have before GotY talks come around, so I'm going to listen through the whole conversation here. As an aside, movies, books, anime, manga, and all other forms of media enjoy a MUCH longer "please do not spoil this" period than games do, often lasting many many years. Wonder why that is.

Dude.. it's literally one hour. Like on the dot. It says so CLEARLY in the notes and they even mention it on the podcast saying, Hey spoilers.. skip ahead about an hour.

Edited by revel

This Mass Effect shit is too much. They lost me here. I'm currently having the time of my life kicking ass in Far Cry 3. Time well spent. I skipped the whole Mass Effect thing. I don't even know what to think of the series but the nature of interaction surrounding I Love Mondays video and this Podcast is creepy --- Dare I say it makes Mass Effect feel like the Star Wars Prequels of video games (or that ME3 is like Phantom Menace or something). May be if I played the game(s) I wouldn't think it was so creepy and strange. I dunno, may be people just need to read a great book and play games like Far Cry.

Posted by tourgen

Just listened to te ME3 bit. I somehow simultaneously agree with Pat and Jeff: ME1 and ME2 is the best Mass Effect game depending on my mood. Buy it's usually ME1. Also ME3 smells like an EA rush job. Everything from the ending thru all the DLC and retconing was handled and executed extremely poorly.

Posted by gomezar7

I wonder why they didn't mention anything about the after credits, "breath", scene...

Posted by PurpleOddity

Vinny mentioned Hyperion! That's awesome.

Posted by Parsnip

It's a little funny hear Patrick mention the grammar of 999, considering he doesn't seem to proofread any of his articles.

Posted by dr_mantas

The ME3 talk was great. At least I really liked it.

Posted by PoToSkull

To the people that complain that they are being too dramatic or over sensitive regarding a videogame ending: We need these voices in the industry. What's wrong with being upset that suspected corporate practices have influenced an IP's narrative direction? Or just calling out videogame devs in general to step up their narrative processes? I for one am hoping this industry keeps evolving where we see great care and passion taken to tell enriching stories using this mediums particular conventions, and sit alongside the classics of literature, film, & theater. Breaking it up through paid extras and forgoing the efforts of interactivity that thousands have put in to these games to then have their choices amount to little in the end is not the way towards telling unforgettable stories in videogames, nor shedding it's reputation among outsiders that this is just a silly distraction rather than a medium to be taken seriously. This is also a videogame website, and we're all here to share in the joy they bring us. If you feel bad that complaining about this stuff is just meaningless, first world problems, then please be active in other parts of the internet world that cater to resolving real world issues and then come back here to take a break and let off some steam by having the definition of what games are meant to be in the end: fun.

Posted by Moth_Pope

Vinny's "you can sit twice" comment for the 3 arms or 4 legs question was brilliant. :D

Posted by CaLe

@Moth_Pope said:

Vinny's "you can sit twice" comment for the 3 arms or 4 legs question was brilliant. :D

I thought Jeff's "you can rear up on your hind legs and kick someone with your front legs while eating a pizza" was better. It made me forgive him after the whole f**k Metal Gear Solid blasphemy he spewed earlier.

Posted by Dewar

I didn't have a problem with the original ME3 ending, I just had a problem that the choices at the end weren't very well described and the concequences weren't spelled out very well. I felt gipped when I chose the middle path because of certain "bad effects" in the description of the other two, and those bad effects happened anyway. It sounds like they've fixed it in the new retconned ending, so I'm looking forward to playing again when all the DLC is out.

Edited by LentFilms

I am really happy to hear that Patrick enjoyed 999 so much. I played the game back in 2010 and was so disappointed that almost everyone in the main stream gaming press ignored it. Corpse Party is another favorite of mine that didn't get a lot of attention when it was released in 2011. While the game is not as good as 999 it is still a great little horror title and I can't wait to hear Patrick thinks of it (if he decides to play it).

Edited by ProfessorEss

@PoToSkull said:

To the people that complain that they are being too dramatic or over sensitive regarding a videogame ending: We need these voices in the industry.

It can be entertaining to listen to sometimes but I'm not convinced the industry is listening to these guys all that seriously anymore. If I were a developer or a publisher I would write off most of what these guys say as just another typical and predictable hyperbolic rant from a group of pessimists - much in the same way I do as a game purchaser.

I don't mean to sound overly harsh but I really don't find these guys offer much in the way of usable or constructive criticism, just a bunch of "this is stupid garbage" or "it's a spit in the face".

But all in all a fairly entertaining episode this week :)

Posted by CaLe

999 made my GOTY list when it came out and I only played until I got 1 bad ending. I don't even know what the 'true' ending is. VLR hasn't grabbed me like 999 did. Maybe I'm just not in the mood for it right now.

Posted by damswedon

We are missing the main thing.

Jeff's Metal Gear Ground Zeroes & The Phantom Pain are a Use Your Illusion I + II style double album is the best idea.

Posted by Animasta

@damswedon said:

We are missing the main thing.

Jeff's Metal Gear Ground Zeroes & The Phantom Pain are a Use Your Illusion I + II style double album is the best idea.

I don't even like metal gear and it is the bestest of ideas.

and only Kojima has the balls to do it.

Posted by PulledaBrad

Oh man. The irony of Patrick calling someplace a "nanny state" is delicious.

Posted by Sarumarine

@Animasta said:

@damswedon said:

We are missing the main thing.

Jeff's Metal Gear Ground Zeroes & The Phantom Pain are a Use Your Illusion I + II style double album is the best idea.

I don't even like metal gear and it is the bestest of ideas.

and only Kojima has the balls to do it.

I hate to hype this up as it probably won't happen, but I am totally on board with this. God, I hope they do it.

Posted by Nation764

@Guestuse1111:

@ArtisanBreads: I don't know how you people keep analyzing what Patrick says... he's pretty dumb and ignorant, even for a 14 year old.

LOL ; )

Posted by PulledaBrad

@Animasta said:

@smcn said:

@Terramagi said:

And considering Patrick basically outright says "yeah, I was real worried about Binary Domain because Japanese people are all fucking racists", I really don't think he's too hot on Japan.

He didn't say that at all. He said Japanese writers typically don't write black characters well. And it's true, because guess what? Not a whole lot of black people in Japan. Patrick's not wrong, and it's also not necessarily an issue of racism.

well, it kind of is, just not racism because of malice; just racism born from ignorance.

which, depending on your viewpoint, isn't as bad or just as bad.

You guys are confusing the terms racist and sterotypes

Posted by Humanity

@CaLe said:

@Moth_Pope said:

Vinny's "you can sit twice" comment for the 3 arms or 4 legs question was brilliant. :D

I thought Jeff's "you can rear up on your hind legs and kick someone with your front legs while eating a pizza" was better. It made me forgive him after the whole f**k Metal Gear Solid blasphemy he spewed earlier.

Amen. Jeff saying Metal Gear Solid is just walking between cutscenes is just fraudulent and false about the gameplay. There was plenty of sneaking and having to go around and get items from one area to access a door in another kind of like Metroid games. It was an incredible game for it's time and as close as you got to the movie experience we take for granted these days.

That said, you can sit twice, was really damn good Vinny. Also Vinnys confusion as to how Jeff would race horses was brilliant.

Posted by tater3698

@PulledaBrad: they kinda go hand in hand so its not surprising

Posted by Animasta

@PulledaBrad said:

@Animasta said:

@smcn said:

@Terramagi said:

And considering Patrick basically outright says "yeah, I was real worried about Binary Domain because Japanese people are all fucking racists", I really don't think he's too hot on Japan.

He didn't say that at all. He said Japanese writers typically don't write black characters well. And it's true, because guess what? Not a whole lot of black people in Japan. Patrick's not wrong, and it's also not necessarily an issue of racism.

well, it kind of is, just not racism because of malice; just racism born from ignorance.

which, depending on your viewpoint, isn't as bad or just as bad.

You guys are confusing the terms racist and sterotypes

stereotypes are born FROM racism, where else would they come from?

Edited by CaLe

@Animasta said:

@PulledaBrad said:

@Animasta said:

@smcn said:

@Terramagi said:

And considering Patrick basically outright says "yeah, I was real worried about Binary Domain because Japanese people are all fucking racists", I really don't think he's too hot on Japan.

He didn't say that at all. He said Japanese writers typically don't write black characters well. And it's true, because guess what? Not a whole lot of black people in Japan. Patrick's not wrong, and it's also not necessarily an issue of racism.

well, it kind of is, just not racism because of malice; just racism born from ignorance.

which, depending on your viewpoint, isn't as bad or just as bad.

You guys are confusing the terms racist and sterotypes

stereotypes are born FROM racism, where else would they come from?

Like the guy said before, ignorance. Racism implies some kind of disdain or even hatred. Stereotyping can occur without any such feelings.

Edit: You were the guy who said it lol. Quotes make it hard to distinguish. You answered it yourself..

Edited by EnduranceFun

@Humanity: I really dislike when the staff harp on MGS. Jeff should try 'walking between cutscenes' on European Extreme. Also MGS2 is one of my favourite games. ;_;