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Edited by Rolyatkcinmai

For once, I completely disagree with Jeff. That doesn't happen often.

Edit: Wow, GB's review is literally the only negative review on metacritic right now. I bet Atlus never would have guessed that.

Posted by sickVisionz

[2 out of 5 score] It's certainly not awful...


This made me chuckle.
Posted by sungahymn
@mnzy said:
I love the smell of a shitstorm in the morning.
Took the words right out of my mouth. 
 
Is it me, or has the Giant Bomb community gotten worse overall?
Edited by Hector

This game was mostly likely made to test out the water on PS3, 360 probably for a Persona title. Even so, the production value in this game is incredible. This game is completely polished everything from the robust puzzle gameplay to the engrossing story.

Posted by ThePickle

After playing a lot of it, 2 stars is to say the least; way too fucking harsh. Jeff, did we even play the same game? I suppose this may be one of your dream cases where I read the review, but still buy the game and that's the right choice for me.

Posted by aku

i bought catherine, played it and really liked it. there's a demo out, so at least play the demo and see if its your cup of tea. give it a chance, its one of those games that either clicks with you or not. for me its a breath of fresh air, a quirky game, a change of pace.

Posted by kashwashwa

I hope Jeff never stops reviewing the way he does now.

Posted by Nephrahim

Man, this flame war was fun at first, but now, it's just depressing reading it all.

Edited by President_Evil

I respect Jeff's opinion and recognize his criticisms of the game, but I think I'm going to politely differ to mah boi Jeremy Parish on this one. To me that last line eloquently wraps up the whole thing and puts it all into perspective- despite its flaws I'm still looking forward to playing Catherine. Thanks Jeff.

Posted by Urmean
@Vlad_Tiberius: This is a bad post and you should feel bad.
Posted by Mallard

I like reading these comments because I like fucking tragedies.

Posted by FluxWaveZ

Wow, this is still going on...?

Edited by Vlad_Tiberius
@Shingro: This is a business, remember? And I bet 90 % of all those sites that gave this crap high ratings are thinking it everything according to the old cliche: "Oh, it's weird , ridiculous, childish anime , with big-eyed characters, treating real life situations like prostate enlargement with childish,supernatural monsters, supernatural powers, talking creatures, stupid hairstyles and all that weird crap...that must be Japanese, so it must be good, BECAUSE IT SELLS!"
 
That shit was indeed all the rage and a staple of Japanese pop-culture 10 or 20 years ago, since the Sailor Moon crap, not now , in 2011! Now it's only an old cliche that's still being kept alive by heavy marketing, used as a crutch for corporate lazy developers, while keeping Japanese art style hostage to the same anime crap, keeping it from evolving or creating other styles because of that old anime staple. 
Sorry, but I don't believe every Japanese videogame creator/developer thinks anime puzzle/RPG, just as I don't believe every US developer thinks military post-apocalyptic shooter with deep southern accents... that would be too simplistic, ridiculous and would also create a dangerous stereotype.
 
Also, Jeff is an experienced reviewer. He reviewed more shitty games than all of us played together. 
And if you demand a reviewer to like a certain type/style of game, you're also demanding him to like that particular game, thus expecting him to give it 5 stars and a praise, aren't you? Come on, let's be honest!
Posted by Shingro
@Vlad_Tiberius: I suppose every other 90%+review by the 20+ disparate reviewers all over the globe are all part of some  giant conspiracy in order to push the agenda for  the anime-loving overmind that clearly dominates big money videogames these days, I mean, we can HARDLY MOVE for anime games in the states! They're EVERYWHERE! =P 
 
The issue I think is does a review of a puzzle game "I hate this type of puzzling" help anyone? 
 
And especially on Easy, that is all this really boils down to, my girlfriends LITTLE SISTER beat this game in a day (easy), because she cared 
 
Jeff clearly didn't care, in fact, he actively didn't care.  During the podcast it sounded like he was talking about getting teeth pulled. How does a review in that context help anyone make a decision?  
 
If I'm out there to buy a car, and I ask a friend of mine what he thinks about his test drive of this  car I'm thinking about getting and I know full well he bitterly hates driving, how is his opinion going to be conducive to a discussion of pros/cons? It just seems a little spiteful especially when he can't help but know that a lot of his personal experience is in drastic contrast to everything everyone else everywhere appears to be feeling. 
Edited by Vlad_Tiberius
@Marokai: Excuse me while I wipe that water drop hanging  over my head...
Posted by Vlad_Tiberius
@wisdumcube: Sorry to interfere in your discussion, but Jeff is right. 
When, for example, you're used to listening great quality music from the likes of Pink Floyd, Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin, BB King or classics like Beethoven or  Chopin, you simply cannot turn into a ratings whore, smile and be excited for a Soulja Boy , Gaga or Britney Spears song, just because they're heavy marketed and it's all the rage for all the little kiddies that don't know shit and pre-order every piece of crap out there. That is , of course, if you have any principles.
 
Also, fuck this "let's be positive about everything and happy for no apparent reason" shitty and stupid attitude!
Posted by Marokai
@wisdumcube said:

@i77ogical said:  
It's not that Jeff doesn't like a game, it's the WAY he doesn't like it. He is broodingly negative, eviscerating what is really just an entertainment. It's not like he's saving us from driving faulty cars that are going to explode on the freeway.  Jeff Gerstmann is a certified buzzkill more often than not these days. Did you hear Ryan ask him on this week's podcast, "Did  you play anything you LIKED this week?" Then, when Ryan turned it over to Brad, to try to lighten the mood, Jeff was a downer about Starfox 64 as well.   I'd buy a yearly sub to Giantbomb if only Jeff could lighten up. Maybe he's aged out of reviewing video games. He only seems to get excited when it's a game that reminds him of the past, like fighting games. He's a talented guy. He should do something he's passionate about, not cranky and surly.

I agree. Jeff seems to have become extremely jaded about games in general these days, especially over the last year or so. He never sounds happy, and is always looking for that trip that will trigger some nostalgia.  But more than anything I think he's starting to realize that the industry is moving further and further away from his ideal. Both genre-wise and in business-wise.  He's becoming the old cynic of the industry who is feeling the disconnect between what he wants video games to be and what they are for the majority: simple entertainment created by for-profit monolithic entities. If it doesn't fit his niche he has trouble appreciating it. Normally, you don't see this attitude come through so strongly but normally he avoids reviewing games he doesn't like. On one hand, I totally understand where he's coming from, but on the other hand, he sets the bar too high for no good reason and it just makes himself needlessly miserable.  I think he needs a break.
If only I could thumbs up both of these points..
Posted by Marokai
@Vlad_Tiberius: I'm sure Jeff is proud to have such well-reasoned individuals like yourself as supporters.
Posted by Vlad_Tiberius

Finally, a decent, honest review of this overinflated piece of anime crap. Thank you, Jeff.
This ridiculous and childish anime puzzle/RPG fashion of treating real life situations  with supernatural monsters and same anime crappy cliches needs to fucking die already. The Japanese developers are way smarter than churning this anime shit on and on. I honestly believe that Japanese developers can make a realistic, Uncharted-like game without making it childish,weird, emo, anime, talking animals, monster deities, stupid hairstyles and all that shit, thus not caring about the same fuckin' anime geeks/otaku that are ruining Japanese gaming. Enough is enough,so let's move the fuck on from those cliches and that anime crap, for crying out loud!

Posted by Shingro

The thing that confuses me most, is that Catherine as a game for people will live and die on the "Puzzle under duress" element. 
 
Now the puzzles as a mechanic are just fine in a theory way if nothing else.  
 
One thing that really stuck out was about 'repetitive puzzles" is that every level of difficulty has different puzzles then every other level of difficulty, basically turning the variation of the "repetitive content" into a x3 matter. In addition, the difficulty Jeff played through on (Easy) does indeed keep most of the puzzle variants away from you, since you chose the option saying "I don't care about puzzles much, just let me watch the story" dinging the game for that is a pretty unfortunate thing to do. 
 
My real question is why was Jeff forced to play a puzzler whose puzzles clearly didn't click with him? It's a bit like making someone with arthritis play Track and Field. Possible, but painful and a bit cruel. 
 
That, and Catherine doesn't deserve such a ringing on "Yeah, it wasn't working for me."

Posted by AmericanNinja

Um... duders... if you like the game who cares what other people think of it?

Posted by JoeyRavn
Posted by jellysnake

I adore the Persona team, but this review seems fair IMO.  The block puzzle stuff is just anti-fun to me. 
 
Hoping to hear about P5 real soon (TGS maybe?)

Posted by Fjordson

Not surprised at this review score. 
 
Come on Atlus, where's Persona 5?

Posted by Nasar7
@Supermarius said:
or have too much spare cash.
No such thing dude, C.R.E.A.M.
Posted by metalsnakezero
@YungLukeSkywalker: So you just made a account just to say that. Sad. 
Posted by Phonics
@YungLukeSkywalker said:
The reason Giant Bomb played through Persona 4 was because it was BAD and they were riffing on it!   Why else would they sit through an inane bunch of dribble.  The people who bought this wannabe puzzle game wannabe because it's not even as good as Picross or even Tetris are Otaku of the worst kind.  This game deserves lower scores than 82 on Metacritic for tricking people into buying this with a green rating.  Jeff was subjected to this BULLSHIT masquerading as a game for far longer than any sane person would allow their systems power button to be turned on.  Save your money the only people hyping this are Atlus fanboys who think Persona is good they probably think Pokemon is still relevant.  The low sales of this will hopefully cancel out Persona 5.  Microsoft and Sony should be ashamed this anime soap opera was released on their kick ass Video game systems.  Save your money for GEARS OF WAR 3.    I'm not evangelizing Jeff but there is a special place in Hell for Catherine.   Zelda is DEAD to me after 8.8!!!   No more childish cartoons like TWILIGHT PRINCESS and CATHERINE.  There are enough better games to play to forget this one.  But if you're a weeaboo Japanophile who is sitting in his CE polka-dotted boxers having a hentai fantasy have fun with that.  The game doesn't even live up to PERSONA 4.  This game is a fail, a flop, and a sloppily told fan-service romance.  Even DUKE NUKEM FOREVER is superior, there aren't even any guns in this POS.  2/5 is too kind assholes.  Atlus and Persona Team you suck.  Anime sucks.  And you otaku out there who worship this like a religion you're a cult as bad as Scientology.  Thumbs down to Catherine.  PS To Prove Giant Bomb isn't Anti-Japan they just posted the DEAD OR ALIVE QL.  Don't change the score to Catherine like Shenmue was 6.8 raised to 7.8 just to pander to those fawning over Catherine.
Posted by Supermarius
@Lucidlife

Why did Jeff review this game? It's clear this isn't his "type" of game. I'm not sure what "type" of game he enjoys anymore because he is so damn negative towards pretty much every game released that isn't Street Fighter or MK. So I have to question why they would want the most jaded reviewer on the site to review a game that clearly wouldn't appeal to him from the start. It's unfair to those people who are stupid enough to base their purchases off what reviewers have to say and it's also unfair to the developers of the game.

Sooooo, in your perfect world would every game be reviewed by someone who already likes that genre in a personal non-objective way? In that case every half-competent game would get 4 or 5 stars and reviews would become useless in making purchase choices. That would in no way be an improvement.
Posted by Supermarius
@Lucidlife

@DaBuddaDa said:

I was going to buy this game, but now after reading Jeff's review, I am no longer going to make the purchase.

I find that incredibly sad. It's clear something about the game appealed to you. The same things may not appeal to Jeff which, in a nutshell, is why the very concept of reviewing games is just bad. No two people are the same and I quickly found that listening to these jaded reviewers was causing me to miss out on some great games. So now I just read the reviews for entertainment and never to sway my purchasing decisions.

I find your take on reviews incredibly sad. People don't have infinite money to try every game themselves. Reviews serve a valuable purpose in steering people away from games that they would likely regret purchasing. Jeff probably saved dabuddada 60 bucks. You aren't noble or smarter if you buy everything based on pre release info and your guess that it will be good. You're either a sucker or have too much spare cash.
Posted by Vrikk

People actually still read IGN...?

Posted by Tim_the_Corsair

This game looks absolutely terrible to me, but whatever. The review was well written and It obviously will have less impact on those people who love the genre or simply have different tastes and/or levels of tolerance.

I had an amazing amount of fun reading the comments though, that was comedy gold. Keep up the good work Giant Bomb.

Posted by Lelcar

Hahaha, judging by the comments this has to be one of the most controversial reviews Giantbomb has ever written. As for Catherine, I think it's great. I love the puzzle component, and that's really what it boils down to. I also enjoy the craziness that ensues in Vincent's life. It has some problems, like the controls are dicey and some of the writing can be very Japanese-y, but it's a sweet game.

Go buy it.

Posted by shodan2020

@AnEternalEnigma said:

It's a fucking review. If you like a game but someone else doesn't, who cares?

I know, right? I love this game and I'm glad Jeff spoke his mind and wasn't afraid to rate it how he felt it.

Posted by FluxWaveZ
@YungLukeSkywalker: So you joined this site just so you could troll?
Posted by Godlyawesomeguy

Oh, the internet. Pointless drama over practically nothing.
 
 
Never stop.

Posted by Ventilaator
@YungLukeSkywalker: Dude is serious. 
 
 What.
Edited by BraveFart

Although i love Puzzle Agent i find it funny that Puzzle Agent 2 got 3 stars while Catherine got 2 stars...........
 
Someone else should of reviewed this game. Like Brad or Ryan. Jeff seems like he can't be happy until he get's Battlefield 3 and MW3.

Edited by wisdumcube


@i77ogical said:

@JacDG said:

@oysteinBrenne said:

WOW this review is fucking terrible sorry jeffs this is the worst review you have ever done


Here go watch a better Review

Why is it the worst review he's ever done? I think he explains what he likes, and do not like, pretty clearly. I'm guessing you are saying this just because you disagree, not a reason to call it a terrible review.

It's not that Jeff doesn't like a game, it's the WAY he doesn't like it. He is broodingly negative, eviscerating what is really just an entertainment. It's not like he's saving us from driving faulty cars that are going to explode on the freeway.  Jeff Gerstmann is a certified buzzkill more often than not these days. Did you hear Ryan ask him on this week's podcast, "Did  you play anything you LIKED this week?" Then, when Ryan turned it over to Brad, to try to lighten the mood, Jeff was a downer about Starfox 64 as well.   I'd buy a yearly sub to Giantbomb if only Jeff could lighten up. Maybe he's aged out of reviewing video games. He only seems to get excited when it's a game that reminds him of the past, like fighting games. He's a talented guy. He should do something he's passionate about, not cranky and surly.


I agree. Jeff seems to have become extremely jaded about games in general these days, especially over the last year or so. He never sounds happy, and is always looking for that trip that will trigger some nostalgia.  But more than anything I think he's starting to realize that the industry is moving further and further away from his ideal. Both genre-wise and in business-wise.  He's becoming the old cynic of the industry who is feeling the disconnect between what he wants video games to be and what they are for the majority: simple entertainment created by for-profit monolithic entities. If it doesn't fit his niche he has trouble appreciating it. Normally, you don't see this attitude come through so strongly but normally he avoids reviewing games he doesn't like. On one hand, I totally understand where he's coming from, but on the other hand, he sets the bar too high for no good reason and it just makes himself needlessly miserable. 
 
I think he needs a break.
Posted by Thejugglingbum

I am really enjoying this game. It's fantastic and deep and interesting. It's definitely a high 8 or 9. But since I know Jeff's personality I know why he didn't enjoy it, but I know I will.

Posted by CaLe

Reading some of the reviews on Amazon.co.jp for this game and many point out the same things Jeff does.. He's not bias, he tells it as he sees it. The story is a let down it seems.

Posted by Nettacki
@Milkman said:

Everyone is saying that people are bitching in the comments but I really only see like one guy. Reading through the comments, most people seem to be pretty level-headed about this. I'm actually fairly impressed.

Edited by AnEternalEnigma

Over 530 comments for a review?! I understand the irony of posting this at 4:50am on a Saturday morning, but some of you people really need a fuckin life.
 
What's sad is we went through this back in 2006 with the Twilight Princess debacle. Seemingly no lessons learned.
 
8.8. Never forget. 
 
It's a fucking review. If you like a game but someone else doesn't, who cares?

Posted by Demoskinos

I respect Jeff and his honestly in giving his opinion of the game regardless of its otherwise stellar review scores.   The only thing that kinda has me scratching my head is why Jeff was the one to review this game.    He seems to have a very  apparent bias to anime "stuff" in general which is fine but  this games characters behave like well... anime characters albeit well written ones but even so some anime tropes do work there way into  the game which I could see easily being a turnoff to someone who isn't "into" that scene. 
 
The review is what it is and God knows it didn't stop me from buying two copies of the game already and won't stop me from liking it  but  I kinda almost feel oddly enough vinny would have been a better choice for this game.  I could be wrong there too but... hey. 

Posted by Demoskinos
@Bourbon_Warrior: Yeah bro! Like real gamers drink budwiser and fist bump while we play call of duty! Cause were manly men with testosterone and shit! /sarcasam
Posted by carlthenimrod

I always love it when people lose it over a review.

Edited by pong

Like OMG this is THE WORST review eva! Now I'm going to have to cry myself to sleep while hugging a copy of the game and the special edition pillow case. 
 
 
In all seriousness though, just as jeff has every right to criticize the game since it is his own opinion, haters can hate on it for all they want. He's been doing this long enough to know the types of reactions he'll get with a "controversial" score like this one. Reading all these scathing comments probably just makes him laugh.
Posted by Peanut
@Bourbon_Warrior said:
Dumb game is dumb. Only people with anime avatars seem to disagree, good on ya Jeff for speaking ur mind, when so many game sites are blinded by the pretty cutscenes.
Ugh. Ignorance. I hate anime and I love this game, your point is worthless.
Posted by samface6

I really respect that Jeff has the balls to give a review as he sees it rather than just following the tide of IGN/Gamespot reviews like most publications.
 
Having said that, I'm still very interested in this game and will probably buy it anyway.

Posted by Corvak

I know it's been said, but many of you don't quite get that a review is an opinion, and not something you should take as hard unchangeable fact.  Its what Jeff thinks, not what all of us will think.  
 
I know people who dislike the game due to it's block puzzle core, and because of it's subject matter. And I know people who loved the game all the way through. 
 
Like Persona, this is a game you really can't pass judgement on without trying it first, however. Persona 3/4 would get 2/5 from someone who is uninterested in JRPG combat, or anime storytelling, for example.   
 
Atlus and Catherine deserve points for doing something most of the big publishers wont - something different, a new IP, instead of just churning out sequels to everything.  And Atlus does it a lot more than someone like Activision or EA.
 
We all need to stop getting bogged down in the rating, and get some second opinions. The person who raged and linked the video review from IGN? The rage is foolish, but the video is a good idea - if you're using reviews as a way to make purchasing decisions, bandwidth is cheap, read more than one review.  

Posted by Daroki

@ahaisthisourchance said:

@Mystyr_E said:

Kind of makes me nervous for the fall, I mean....what if Jeff reviews Dark Souls? :P I'd fear for my life and every poster on here if the score was low

Hahaha 1 Star.

I think they'll give that job to Vinny since he's the only person in the crew to actually complete Demon's Souls.

I'll agree with you on the Dark Souls review probably heading to Vinny, but I'd laugh if it was Jeff's and it consisted of three words.

"Fuck this game."

Even more interesting question: Would Atlus fans rage at that considering the game is being handled by Namco Bandai?