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Posted by l4wd0g

good word use Jeff. See you all online.

Posted by DAFTPUNK

still good score, but come on! mw2 does not beat this:(

Posted by Addfwyn

I really don't think they need to score games at all, just have people actually read the review and get the impressions from that.  I think the idea of 'scoring' a game is outdated frankly.  Just write a review with the pros/cons and leave out any score.  What may appeal to one player may not to another.  
 
For me, the game would be a lot less than 4 stars cause I mostly want the single-player, whereas a MP only player would happily rate it 5/5.  Both types of players could draw their own conclusions from the review and totally forget the scoring system. 
 
That said, I'm leaving the country in a few days, so probably won't be picking up BC2 until I can get it on the cheap.

Posted by MAN_FLANNEL

Hur dah Har Jeff! You like dat one game more dan me and I like Dis game moar dan you!  You are wrong!  AHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Posted by rateoforange
@Metal_Mills said:
" Who the hell plays BF for the single player? I honestly might not even touch it. "
QFT
Posted by vividnova

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one that felt totally disconnected from this game. Squad members teleporting ahead of you constantly through missions, extremely linear pathing that used a generic 'You better turn back or the claymores'll getcha'  to keep you from exploring instead of suitably placed environmental blocks. I also didn't get much out of the MW2 jokes, but that's just my opinion. I just don't think the single player was anywhere near as polished as it would need to be for these 'MW killer' titles people seem to be keen about giving it. I am looking forward to sinking my teeth into the multiplayer though. I'm glad this received a nice work over. *1942 battlefield theme plays in head*

Posted by AURON570

I stopped reading when I saw the sub-headline "The single-player, however, feels a little flat this time around." 

Edited by Seppli

  I can see how the whole product can be rated 4 out of 5 stars, if you weigh the singleplayer campaign equally to the online multiplayer. The singleplayer campaign appears to be fairly standard and not standout. 
 
By my standards, BF:BC 2 is a clear 5 out of 5 star game. No other online multiplayer game offers this diverse, rich and in-depth gameplay. No other online game has fully interactive/dynamic maps  (as in destructible and deformable). No other game feels as balanced, lifelike and exciting as Battlefield : Bad Company 2. I get the highest highs from BF:BC 2 of any game I've ever played - so there's nothing but the highest praise from me for DICE's online multiplayer masterpiece.  My personal GotY 2010.
 
For me personally, the singleplayer campaign counts as added value, while the centerpiece of the experience is the online multiplayer, which I will play for the entirety of 2010 and most likely well beyond that. Online multiplayer warfare doesn't get any better than this. At least not until DICE once again outdoes their previous efforts with their next Battlefield game, Battlefield 3.  
 
See you on the Battlefield - amigos.       

Posted by Bucketdeth

MW2's campaign felt a little flat as in it felt like a late night action movie, I almost get the feeling that game had such great reviews just because of the name, BC2 blows it out of the water in both areas.
 
HOPE YOU LIKED MY OPINION GUYZ.

Posted by StingingVelvet

I kind of agree, kind of don't.  I like the campaign for its larger areas and more interesting action, but the story and set pieces are lower in quality to the better FPS campaigns out there.  I enjoyed it better than MW2's campaign though, which I thought was frankly terrible and a poor follow-up to the amazing MW1. 
 
The multiplayer is not up to Battlefield 2's standards but is damn close, and has of course much better graphics and polish.  I am a casual online gamer so I get killed quickly in Battlefield games, but when you are on a roll it is very fun stuff and the large, detailed maps this time around are lovely compared to most console port drivel we get on PC lately. 
 
So all in all it's not amazing, but it's damn good.  I guess that's a 4, so well done.
Posted by CL60
@rateoforange said:
" @Metal_Mills said:
" Who the hell plays BF for the single player? I honestly might not even touch it. "
QFT "
That may have been true when the singleplayer was just the multiplayer with bots...but no..not anymore...
Posted by Hunkulese

You people put way to much stock in some random internet dude's opinion. Why do you care if it gets 4/5 or 5/5 or 8.9 or 9.3? 4/5 seems like a pretty good score to me and if you've played enough of the game to throw a fit and say it should be a 5 why do you need a review anyway? Is it that important that your opinion is validated by someone who is paid to review games? 
 
The way I would approach a review is try and decide if the developers achieved their goals. In MW2 they most definitely did. You may not want to play a game that's super duper summer blockbuster action movie on steroids, but a lot of people do and that's what they were going for. MW2 exceeded in everything they were trying to do. I kind of felt BC2 took a step back in the single player and I kind of think they lost some of their charm because they were trying to cater to the MW fans. Not really anything wrong with that from a business standpoint but it kind of soured the experience for me. Don't get me wrong I still think the single player is great and those of you pretentious bastards refusing to look at the single player because you're battlefield vets are missing out on a pretty good experience.

Edited by Seppli
@Venatio said:

" Hmm, 4 stars? Expected 5 "

@jadeskye said:

" @Venatio: 4 makes sense. "  

 
There's an easy way to circumvent any critics about the score by giving BF:BC 2 two seperate scores for each. I know it's a bit of a cop-out - but hell. Extraordianry times. 
 
  1. 4/5 Singleplayer 
  2. 5/5 Multiplayer 
  3. Done. 
 
Interestingly, almost all German publications did either do 2 scores, one for singleplayer and one for multiplayer OR they just did a review on singleplayer with the promise of delivering the multiplayer review after playing a substancial amount on retail servers. Singleplayer reviews did range between 76 and 88, while multiplayer is being heralded as the best online multiplayer shooter of this generation and 90+ ratings. 
 
Germans are wierd that way.
Posted by rift33

I love the game but it does have some real bad texture's that do get in the way sometimes. Other then that tho all in all it's pretty good. And also I think the single player is a step up from the last,just my opinion!!..

Posted by rateoforange
@CL60 said:
That may have been true when the singleplayer was just the multiplayer with bots...but no..not anymore... "
I'm not saying it's not a valid criticism of the game--they decided to put it in--but I don't plan on playing it. I played through the BC campaign and was pretty bored. I really never saw what Jeff saw in it.
Posted by Jadeskye
@Seppli: honestly i don't even think the singleplayer is worth 4. 
 
i'd say the multiplayer is a solid 4. the singleplayer by itself is barely a game. not at the length it is.
Posted by Seppli
@rift33 said:
" I love the game but it does have some real bad texture's that do get in the way sometimes. Other then that tho all in all it's pretty good. And also I think the single player is a step up from the last,just my opinion!!.. "
I can't understand texture fetish. I don't see superb texturing as 'good' graphics. Good graphics are functional - as in extreme viewing and drawing distance, huge maps/levels, countless enemies and effects on screen and last but certainly not least, interactivity. As in realtime physics, destructibility, ground deformation, ragdoll and so forth. 
 
Many call Uncharted 2 the graphically most standout game of this generation. I see how it's 'effin beautiful, but it ain't better than BF:BC2 - at least measured by my standards. I imagine people staring at their face in a mirror, finding all the small flaws on their face and skin and going batshit insane over every wrinkle and imperfection. In short - silly people with no eye for what matters most. Functionality.
Posted by pplus0440

LOL you got to be kidding me...MW2 got 5 stars because you can shoot down UAVs..... for real i dont even need to explain. i feel it got 5 stars bc its popular. i think it sucked compared to bf.
Posted by Mrskidders
@Jeffsekai said:
" le sigh "
Jesus, if you are going to buy it anyway then who cares.  Its a great game whether it has 4 or 5 stars.
Edited by Seppli
@jadeskye: 
 
Oh no! You didn't!  
 
Did you seriously just give BF:BC 2's multiplayer a 4 out 5 rating? 
 
May god have mercy on your soul! Heretic! 
 
*no seriously dude - you're sick  - treat yourself to a check up by a health care professional - I worry your illness might be terimal - maybe washing your brain might safe you *
Posted by Jadeskye
@Seppli: lol excuse me for having an opinion? 
 
This is just a stepping stone game for me anyway, i'll be along when BF3 comes out, the REAL Battlefield game.
Posted by Erik

Oh no, Banjo-Kazooie N&B got 5 stars and this only got 4? I can't believe this. RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE (yes, there is a hint of sarcasm in that ^^)
 
Srly guys, this is just one mans opinion. And besides, 4/5 ain't a bad score.

Posted by CitizenKane

You pro-BC2/anti-MW2 people really need to get a hold of yourselves.  So your baby scored less than the game you love to hate for the sake of being contrarian.  Big fucking deal.  
 
If you want to cry, go somewhere else, because I am getting really tired of all this BC2-MW2 bullshit you guys are parading around this site.  Keep doing it and see what happens to you.

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Posted by Jayross

 After playing the campaign, I would have to agree with 4 stars. But the multiplayer is 5 stars, so GET THIS GAME!

Posted by MAN_FLANNEL
@CitizenKane:
Posted by gramblor
@Ghostiet: @Ghostiet said:
" I felt the single player portion of the first BC was very bland and served only as a tutorial for the multiplayer, so I am very surprised by Jeff's fond memories of it. "
I totally agree with you.  I liked it for a while, mostly because of the characters, but halfway through its repetition became numbing.
Posted by gramblor

I'm really glad Jeff gave special mention of the audio in this game.  I haven't played BC2, but the audio from the first BC was really impressive and made up for other aspects which were a bit lackluster.

Edited by EpicReflex

I enjoyed the single player campaign much more than in the first game, although i was slightly suprised by how scripted it had become.

Also i have to agree, the audio in this game is amazing.

Posted by Bucketdeth
@CitizenKane said:
" You pro-BC2/anti-MW2 people really need to get a hold of yourselves.  So your baby scored less than the game you love to hate for the sake of being contrarian.  Big fucking deal.    If you want to cry, go somewhere else, because I am getting really tired of all this BC2-MW2 bullshit you guys are parading around this site.  Keep doing it and see what happens to you. "
Just opinion's man, I feel this game deserves more and so do some people and some don't, if we all agreed with everything it would be a pretty boring world.
Posted by CitizenKane
@Bucketdeth said:
" @CitizenKane said:
" You pro-BC2/anti-MW2 people really need to get a hold of yourselves.  So your baby scored less than the game you love to hate for the sake of being contrarian.  Big fucking deal.    If you want to cry, go somewhere else, because I am getting really tired of all this BC2-MW2 bullshit you guys are parading around this site.  Keep doing it and see what happens to you. "
Just opinion's man, I feel this game deserves more and so do some people and some don't, if we all agreed with everything it would be a pretty boring world. "
I have no problem with disagreeing opinions, but this whole BC2-MW2 "rivalry" has now gone to fanboy-ish levels of ignorance and stupidity.  You like BC2 more than MW2?  Good for you.  I personally don't give a damn what game suits your fancy, but this "MW2 sucks BC2 pwnz0rz it!!!" and, as Jeff mentioned in yesterday's podcast, people saying the whole thing unfolding at Infinity Ward was just a publicity stunt to try to take publicity away from BC2 shenanigans is ending now.
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Posted by Bigandtasty

People must be going apeshit over this score at other game sites, complaining that it brings the metascore down.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed the multiplayer demo of BC2 but I do consider single player to be important, even in FPS, and I can see why Jeff gave it a 4.

Posted by Addfwyn
@CitizenKane:  
Just to be fair, while I agree with you in most areas, it is possible to dislike MW2 for reasons besides being contrarian.  I dunno if you meant that everyone who dislikes MW hates it for that reason, or just that specific group. 
 
Otherwise yes, two different games that do two different things.  One is a more arcadey deathmatch style shooter, one is a more objective oriented battle, and both do their niche well.  Both have lackluster SP, so there's not much competition there.
Edited by Seppli
@jadeskye said:

" @Seppli: lol excuse me for having an opinion?  This is just a stepping stone game for me anyway, i'll be along when BF3 comes out, the REAL Battlefield game. "

 
I seriously got to add j/k to such things - people just seem not to get my sense of fun. I really don't care about your opinion that much. 
 
BF3 will very likely blow me away too. Nontheless - I live in the NOW and now Battlefield : Bad Company 2 is the TRUE Battlefield. 
 
Get over yourself and take off your sweaty old worn-out BF2 blinders.
Edited by kingando420
@CitizenKane said:

" @Bucketdeth said:

" @CitizenKane said:

" You pro-BC2/anti-MW2 people really need to get a hold of yourselves.  So your baby scored less than the game you love to hate for the sake of being contrarian.  Big fucking deal.    If you want to cry, go somewhere else, because I am getting really tired of all this BC2-MW2 bullshit you guys are parading around this site.  Keep doing it and see what happens to you. "

Just opinion's man, I feel this game deserves more and so do some people and some don't, if we all agreed with everything it would be a pretty boring world. "
I have no problem with disagreeing opinions, but this whole BC2-MW2 "rivalry" has now gone to fanboy-ish levels of ignorance and stupidity.  You like BC2 more than MW2?  Good for you.  I personally don't give a damn what game suits your fancy, but this "MW2 sucks BC2 pwnz0rz it!!!" and, as Jeff mentioned in yesterday's podcast, people saying the whole thing unfolding at Infinity Ward was just a publicity stunt to try to take publicity away from BC2 shenanigans is ending now. "
They spent at least 4 times as much time talking about IF as they did on BC2  on the podcast  so maybe Activisions timing was spot on......just saying.
Posted by bybeach

I don`t understand here, why does one game have to be better than the other? from the sound of the various reviews, MP in BF Bad company 2 is created by the gods. MW2 mp is suppossed to be great also, but with some complaints that have since surfaced. And this isn`t including the server issue that pc gamers objected to. 
 
I lose anyways, because I thought the Single player in BF-bad comany 1 was flat, and was  looking forward to this one. Jeff for some reason seems to think well of the last one, but says kinda flat for the new release. If the ever drops in price, i may buy it just to see for myself. At any rate, right on for the MP, though i don`t do it. probably fat chance it`ll drop in price soon, one sign i think of a top notch/well regarded game.  
 
back to Pripyat, stalker!
Edited by Gregomasta

Picked this up today, really enjoying it so far.

Posted by CitizenKane
@Addfwyn said:
" @CitizenKane:  Just to be fair, while I agree with you in most areas, it is possible to dislike MW2 for reasons besides being contrarian.  I dunno if you meant that everyone who dislikes MW hates it for that reason, or just that specific group.  Otherwise yes, two different games that do two different things.  One is a more arcadey deathmatch style shooter, one is a more objective oriented battle, and both do their niche well.  Both have lackluster SP, so there's not much competition there. "
I only meant that certain group of people.
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Posted by TheHBK

HAHAHA burn all you BC2 fanboys.
I just got the game, really great so far.  Don't think I will touch the SP because I thought the characters in the first game were bitches.
But sure is a burn for those bitches say, oh BC2 will be so much better, it will be the real modern shooter, wont be cheap, wont be glitchy, blah blah blah.  I have a sack and can enjoy both games.
By the way, why does no one join a squad?  Or when you do, why does no one in the squad use voice chat?

Posted by Zatoichi_Sanjuro
@Seppli said:
" @jadeskye said:

" @Seppli: lol excuse me for having an opinion?  This is just a stepping stone game for me anyway, i'll be along when BF3 comes out, the REAL Battlefield game. "

 I seriously got to add j/k to such things - people just seem not to get my sense of fun. I really don't care about your opinion that much.  BF3 will very likely blow me away too. Nontheless - I live in the NOW and now Battlefield : Bad Company 2 is the TRUE Battlefield.  Get over yourself and take off your sweaty old worn-out BF2 blinders. "
Have to agree with this. Although the first BC didn't live up to my expectations of a Battlefield mp game the beta for BC2 got me hooked. 
 
BC2 will tide me over nicely till BF3.
Posted by solviper

I thought the campaign was very enjoyable. yet all the reviews say it plain sucks. It's fun and ends right where the multiplayer begins.

Posted by xChaoticShadowx

Ya, the Single Player is not the strong point of the came.  However, MP is great.  It takes a while to get into but I was very impressed.  Exceed my expectations.  To be honest I HATED the first game.  Huge step up!

Posted by Carlos1408

Great review Jeff. If I have the money i'll probably pick this one up, I skipped the first one. The destructible environments have always called at my psychotic and sadistic side :P

Posted by MrKlorox

I just knew it'd get a 4 somehow.

Posted by Clint

Just finished the campaign after diving into multiplayer for most of yesterday, and I'm glad I'm not the only one disappointed by the BC2 campaign. The first I thought was pretty excellent, really taking advantage of the variety of stuff you could do in Battlefield relative to other games to give you a lot of interesting tasks to do. The backdrop of the characters and lunacy of what you were trying to accomplish certainly helped too. 
 
Here, I'm pretty sure I spent 90% of my time going down streets or hallways shooting people in the face. There's nothing wrong with that, but compared to the open feel of the first, this one just feels dull.

Posted by RHCPfan24

Very good review. I will still get it but I am disappointed that the single player faltered somewhat. That is not to say the first did not but I expected an improvement.

Edited by JEC03

I disagree with Jeff this still doesn't feel like a real bf game it feels much more like a cod game unfortunately im dissapointed with it :( but im still going to keep playing it ,if this was a real bf game it would  be. 
 
1.PC only  
2.no regenerating health. healthbars intstead. 
3.jets 
4.prone 
5.64 players 
6.slower pace not so fast and arcady. 
7.Commanders 
I could go on and on i  really hope bf3 is the next real bf game bbc2 isnt even close. 
 
   
Posted by Cramsy

These games have always sounded insanely good, thanks for picking up on that Jeff!

Posted by Cramsy
 @TheJollyRajah said:
" Jeff, this is a 5 star game. COD is the most overrated shit ever.   Seriously, MAG gets 4 stars along with this??? Sometimes I feel you should ditch the 5 star system. "
YEAH :D Because the /10 system (or should I say 6-10 scale) is so fantastic... 
I would prefer no ratings at all but the 5 star system is the best around.
Posted by Ghost_of_Perdition

Disappointing to find out that the single player campaign didn't improve upon the last one. Then again I got the feeling that it wasn't the focus of this game, what with the lack of trailers that featured the characters like Bad World or Snake Eyes.

Posted by Babble

Good review!

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