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Posted by potatomash3r

I'm glad I waited for the review. You just saved me 60 bucks!

Posted by Deathpooky

Sad. You could see this coming in every announcement they made and trailer they put out, but I still held out hope it wouldn't completely destroy what made the original great. Two games from the horror brilliance of Dead Space 1 to now a microtransaction-filled, coop-focused action game. Just sad.

Posted by dancinginfernal

Brad "3/5" Shoemaker.

Or wait, I think I got that wrong...

Posted by Animasta

@Nettacki said:

@bhhawks78 said:

Giantbomb the one gaming outlet left who seems to have the fucking cajones to call EA out on bullshit.

There's like, two or three other outlets that called them out, namely Eurogamer and Kotaku, amongst others.

sorry official giant bomb forum rule is that we can't praise Kotaku for anything

Edited by bybeach

I do not care that Deadspace 1 seems a standalone and 2 to 3 more united, or that it migrated from something in the majority of survival horror (it already presents weapons and armor) to a majority action shooter. The QL presented something to me designed by committee rather than the connecting vision by it's creator(s). Maybe too many cooks in the kitchen, though some efforts do pan out. But I have already checked some other reviews, it's not doing bad.

Edited by Yummylee

@stryker1121 said:

@Yummylee: It seems the talk of "Well, co-op can be ignored" isn't entirely on the level. I'm no EA hater, but from this review and others it feels like DS has been homogenized...not into an awful game, but into a competent, forgettable one. Bigger and more badass shouldn't always have to be the rule with modern sequels.

You're absolutely right and I couldn't agree more, especially when it comes to supposed horror franchises. But I guess that's unfortunately the way it is; giving players something new nearly always seems to equate to ''bigger and flashier''. The Power Fantasy trope resides over gaming at every angle, and it's difficult for any series these days to slip through the cracks unfortunately.

Also, completely irrelevant, but I'm really curious as to why you don't have an avatar or anything like that. You've been on the boards for a while and you've long proven to be a perfectly reasonable and rational person, so I've always considered it odd why you've invariably bundled yourself with all of the other avatar-less, green-named users who often just post nonsense and/or are alternate accounts for people who've been banned.

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Posted by jimmyfenix

i feeeeeel it commmminnnggg innnn thhheeeee aiiirrrrr tonnnnigghhhtt OOOHHHHH LOOOOORRDDDDDD

Edited by AV_Gamer

Most top-gaming sites gave it four stars. Personally, I'm not surprised. That's how trilogies usually go. The first is good. The second is the best and shows the entertainment piece at its prime. The third one falls short of the standard that the second one set.

There are exceptions like the Devil May Cry series, with the second game being the worst of the trilogy and the third game being the best.

Of course, I'm solely going by Brad's review. When I get around to playing it, I'll see for myself how the game stacks up. So far, I think the first game was the best in the series.

Edited by Klei

The comments bellow made me realize how fucking divas gamers can be.

Posted by leebmx

DmC it is then........

Posted by Gerhabio

Wasn't expecting this. Before the QL I thought 5 for sure (DS + Brad). Then I watched it and thought 4. Sad to see the series dwindle; the first DS will always be the best one for me.

Good Review

Posted by BaconGames

I feel like this review is very useful except I don't know quite exactly how to interpret Brad's criticism of the story. Dead Space 1 was nothing special and more about pacing/structure but it wasn't offensive or that dissonant but more importantly I LOVED the story stuff in Dead Space 2 in so far as the three main characters are concerned (Isaac, Stross, Ellie). That part was most pleasantly surprising, especially since they easily could have flopped when switching Isaac to a voiced character. In combination with the set pieces and buttery smooth action and amazing graphics, that game was one of my favorites of this generation. A wonderful sci-fi shooter with plenty of dread moments (particularly innocents getting victimized by the enemy) and somehow pulling through incredible circumstances.

Anyway, I'm gushing about the story to make the point that if Brad dismissed both the stories of Dead Space and Dead Space 2 equally, then I can't be as certain that the story is as bad or wonky as he says it is. With that said, expectations are most certainly tempered with that stuff. I'm of two minds though because I don't want to ruin my good image of the DS2 story by playing this but it could pleasantly surprise me and instead just fall flat when the co-op duder is involved.

Either way, misguided attempts at self-righteousness about EA aside, the part where Dead Space 3 fails is in the design and actual content of the game for a good portion. Combined with the novel moments being exceptions rather than rules, the strengths in the presentation and design departments fall flat regardless of micro-transactions and whatever marketing the game had. If I was a developer and really being honest with myself, I wouldn't sweat the corporate stuff as much as the fact that it failed to live up to the previous game's strengths in those areas.

Posted by Brad

@Yummylee said:

@Pie said:

On the story side, like Brad said in the quick look the dead space story has always been kinda dumb but in the previous games it was never distractingly bad as it was never the main focus of the games, the atmosphere played a much greater role. Also I still find it weird how far removed the Issac is in what I've seen of this and a lot of 2 compared to what I imagined in 1. In 1 you get the image of just a very scared, angry kinda everyman engineer guy but in the subsequent games you start getting a more Nathan Drake character who is a bit too fast on the quips and doesn't completely match that angry scared boot stomping guy from 1.

Yup, I've always thought that way and what they did to Isaac in DS2 was one of my complaints. They even actually made him look younger and more ''badass'' in the sequels.

There he looks like he's almost hitting 40. Like he's... just some guy, kinda nondescript, almost a little goofy with his potatoe head. You compare that to how he looks now (having difficulty trying to actually post another pic for comparison's sake..), he looks a lot like yet another generic action hero.

Which I suppose is basically been the progression of the series as it is anyway so, I suppose you could say it fits. Yeah, I would have much preferred if Isaac actually died or went completely crazy; they could have even starred him in a cameo role as someone who tries to kill this new theoretical protagonist at that. Oh well, I guess.

Is that really from the first game? I don't have any recollection of his face being shown in that one.

I've really been thinking about going back to play the first game again. What mode should I play it on?

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Posted by benspyda

I feel if they made the co-op more like ME3 or even ripped it off completely I would be all for this game. The ME3 coop was by far the best part of that game. The main issue is that making an entire single player game coop, will always lessen the experience, just look at RE5 & RE6 compared to RE4.

Posted by Godlyawesomeguy

The first Dead Space sounded like a new IP that I absolutely had to play due to my insane amount of interest. The second Dead Space sounded like an instant buy if you're a fan of the series or horror/action games at all. This screams "rental" if you're a fan. How goddamn disappointing, but I'm not surprised one iota. Imma go play the first two games and remember the good times.

Posted by Pie

@Brad: Yeah I think it's from that very first intro part when you are coming up on the ship. I think you can spin the camera round and look at yourself but not many people realised you could.

Also play it on the hardest because why wouldn't you?

Posted by WiqidBritt

@Brad: I believe you can spin the camera around right at the beginning of the game before he puts his helmet up and that's the only time in the first game you can see his face. They never explicitly show it to you.

Edited by Yummylee

@WiqidBritt said:

@Brad: I believe you can spin the camera around right at the beginning of the game before he puts his helmet up and that's the only time in the first game you can see his face. They never explicitly show it to you.

No, you also see his face completely in the ending.

His helmet collapses or whatever at around the 0:50 mark.

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Posted by Svenzon

Good review. I've been reading reviews throughout the day and adjusted my expectations a bit. It seems really good, but with some significant flaws. I can live with that.

Posted by MiniPato

@Klei said:

The comments bellow made me realize how fucking divas gamers can be.

Only now? What the hell is wrong with you? Were you in stasis when Mass Effect 3 and DmC came out? Nay, when the internet came out? Come on man! You've realized all along, you just wanted to post a comment to tell people that you feel superior to them. I SEE THROUGH YOUR PLOY.

Posted by Strife777

Daaang! 3 stars huh? Not that I'm that surprised after watching the quick look. Oh well, I'm sure I'll still enjoy it.

Posted by Pie

@Yummylee said:

@WiqidBritt said:

@Brad: I believe you can spin the camera around right at the beginning of the game before he puts his helmet up and that's the only time in the first game you can see his face. They never explicitly show it to you.

No, you also see his face completely in the ending.

His helmet collapses or whatever at around the 0.50 mark.

Oh of course that happens. I remember that damn jump scare now

Edited by Yummylee

@Pie: Yup, and they done a really great callback to that scare with Dead Space 2's ending as well :P

Skip to 4:18 for the part I mean. Hell, I think they even used the same musical theme, too.

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Posted by killacam

@deano546 said:

@Brad: Would you recommend this to someone who enjoyed Dead Space 1 far more than Dead Space 2?

..you didn't read the review, did you?

Posted by Pie

@Yummylee said:

@Pie: Yup, and they done a really great callback to that scare with Dead Space 2's ending as well :P

Skip to 4:18 for the part I mean. Hell, I think they even used the same musical theme, too.

Now I know why I was so confused after finishing DS2

Posted by evanomeara

Too bad, I trust Giantbombs word over other sites. it looks like I will wait for the price to drop before checking it out.

Posted by joshuaprince9212

@Brad would you compare the way this game was handled to the way Capcom handled the rebooting of Resident Evil? i.e. Resident Evil 5 and Resident Evil 6 in that they have co-op and are much more of an action game than a horror game.

Posted by jford

I adored Dead Space 1 & 2 - the story, setting, combat, everything. Even if DS3 is the worst of the trilogy, should I still play it?

Posted by deano546

@killacam: That'll teach me for skimming, sorry @Brad

Posted by darkcargio

goddammit EA did it again

Posted by Brad

@deano546 said:

@Brad: Would you recommend this to someone who enjoyed Dead Space 1 far more than Dead Space 2?

If it was 2's tendency toward action that put you off of it, no, probably not.

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Posted by Kankohii

Is there going to be a Bradley May Cry part 2?

Posted by Hnrkaure

I've never played Dead Space. Is it worth going back to and play through all of them?

Posted by Darkstorn

I've still only played Dead Space 1. Just too many other PC games in my backlog...

Posted by tourgen

@Sooty said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

That's too bad! I'm going to wait a bit until it's on sale, and then pick it up.

I'm gonna buy it in a Steam sale.

And by that I mean in an Origin sale.

And by that I mean never.

yup. me too.

The EA micro transactions in-game are unfortunate. Kind of like saying to me, "hey, never buy our game. We busted weapon balance and crafting to support a business model. And added some cool down timers to artificially prop up item transactions."

Posted by Brad

@jford said:

I adored Dead Space 1 & 2 - the story, setting, combat, everything. Even if DS3 is the worst of the trilogy, should I still play it?

Same boat as you, and yeah, I was glad I saw how it concluded even if I didn't like how it concluded. There are certainly things to appreciate in this game even if it's flawed.

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Posted by Brad

@Hnrkaure said:

I've never played Dead Space. Is it worth going back to and play through all of them?

Absolutely, 1 and 2 are among my favorites of the generation. I envy someone getting to play the first game for the first time. Play it at night with the lights off.

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Posted by Brad

@joshuaprince9212 said:

@Brad would you compare the way this game was handled to the way Capcom handled the rebooting of Resident Evil? i.e. Resident Evil 5 and Resident Evil 6 in that they have co-op and are much more of an action game than a horror game.

That's not a bad analogy, though I think RE5 was way better executed on the whole than Dead Space 3. RE6... let's not talk about RE6.

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Posted by EpicSteve

This have couch co-op?

Posted by mattdragn

Dead Space 1 was atmospheric to me in part because all of the game's interface was part of the in game world. Do the micro transactions damage that atmospheric feel?

Posted by mellotronrules

comparison shot in case you're interested:

Posted by Phatmac

Have you found Peng yet?

Posted by Brad

@Phatmac said:

Have you found Peng yet?

No, do you know where it is?

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Posted by Yummylee

@mellotronrules said:

comparison shot in case you're interested:

Huh, he actually looks much older in Dead Space 3, but that could also be because of the bits of snow in his beard and the overall bump in detail. His head shape is still completely different, though, and he also somehow miraculously managed to start growing his hair again. Dead Space 1 Isaac looks like he's about to start balding :P

Still, a clear badassiferacation was put into effect.

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Posted by beatlebrainiac

so do you think this game would have benefited from an always-there AI partner a la RE5? Honestly I didn't care much for it in that game, but from the sounds of the review it would be better here than the alternative.

Posted by stryker1121

@Yummylee said:

@stryker1121 said:

@Yummylee: It seems the talk of "Well, co-op can be ignored" isn't entirely on the level. I'm no EA hater, but from this review and others it feels like DS has been homogenized...not into an awful game, but into a competent, forgettable one. Bigger and more badass shouldn't always have to be the rule with modern sequels.

You're absolutely right and I couldn't agree more, especially when it comes to supposed horror franchises. But I guess that's unfortunately the way it is; giving players something new nearly always seems to equate to ''bigger and flashier''. The Power Fantasy trope resides over gaming at every angle, and it's difficult for any series these days to slip through the cracks unfortunately.

Also, completely irrelevant, but I'm really curious as to why you don't have an avatar or anything like that. You've been on the boards for a while and you've long proven to be a perfectly reasonable and rational person, so I've always considered it odd why you've invariably bundled yourself with all of the other avatar-less, green-named users who often just post nonsense and/or are alternate accounts for people who've been banned.

BAM! You have inspired me, sir. I was just being lazy and got used to my avatar-less existence on GB.

Regarding your remarks, I do take some heart at the latest comments from the Resi guys, who've said a reboot may be in order at least a dialing back of the OTT action of the last 2 games. I think "bloated" is perhaps the word I'd use for many "AAA" games this gen..everyone trying to outdo each other and "kitchen-sinking" games as creativity wanes at the end of a console cycle.

I've not played Demon/Dark Souls yet, but I always hear about those games being lean, mean, tightly-controlled affairs that carry their own very strong and unique ID. That's precisely what I want to see next-gen from all developers.

Posted by Brad

@beatlebrainiac said:

so do you think this game would have benefited from an always-there AI partner a la RE5? Honestly I didn't care much for it in that game, but from the sounds of the review it would be better here than the alternative.

I would have preferred the game had no co-op at all and they'd spent all their energy making a great single-player experience.

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Posted by Abendlaender

So, the DLC stuff in the game caused a pretty big discussion before the game was released. In the QL you mentioned the "Buy now" button in the menues which seems a bit annoying but do you feel like buying the DLC stuff would make the game notably better? The droid stuff feels pretty stupid, but was there ever a case where you ran out of droids and had to wait?

Posted by Pixeldemon

@hussatron said:

In a way, I'm kind of relieved. I thought EA would easily get away with all the kind of sleazy DLC and microtransactions, as well as the lowest common denominator changes to the gameplay.

Well, if no one uses the microtransactions they can do several things:

1) Scrap the microtransactions as a failed experiment (best case scenario).

2) Make the microtransactions more important in the hopes that more people will use them (worst case scenario that would bite them long term--but this is Electronic "we killed like 20 awesome studios" Arts).

3) Keep them as they are, because the small chance that people will eventually start wasting more money after the initial $60 buy-in is "worth it".

Posted by mellotronrules

@Yummylee said:

Still, a clear badassiferacation was put into effect.

for sure. he went from everyday joe to hollywood in 1 to 2.