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Posted by raptorsrevenge

I played it for about 3 hours yesterday. I think it's a great launch title. (Comparatively more difficult than the recent 2D Marios.) Miiverse wasn't working in-game for me, but if you launch it from the dashboard its pretty cool. I think Miiverse is the big secret with Wii U; I can draw a bunch of dumb images to send to my friends and post them in any gaming community. I'll admit that it's a lot of 2D Mario, too soon. But I think it really showcases the Wii U controller and the TV stuff pretty well.

Edited by Frootsnax

Hey Duder, are the Wii U games supposed to be tagged as Wii games? Thanks for the review, I liked the read!

Posted by Gordo789

@ITSSEXYTIME said:

I think an important question is this: If in 5 years someone sat down to play this game, would they care that it's similar to NSMB? I'm torn whether the game should be reviewed on its own merits or if it's okay to take in other factors. (market saturation, very similar to recent games)

That said, it's not that review score matters all that much. It's just one of those things to think about I guess.

Yeah that's a really good question. Imagine if they never released another NSMB, and in 10 years there was a re-release of the original Wii game but in HD obviously and on a new console, would that game get scored down because it added 0 new features? Wouldn't it get scored on its own merits then? It totally would, that shit happens all the time these days.

What I don't understand is that sports games and CoD get released on an annual basis with very incremental changes, and review scores for those don't seem to suffer too much from oversaturation. There's an assumption being made that everyone who is going into this game is going to be doing so from the perspective of just having bought or played NSMB2 on the 3ds 3 months ago, but for many that won't be the case.

Personally, I think it's a little unfair to fault a game for being too similar to a very recent game released on a completely different platform (i.e. the 3ds), but whatever, reviews scores don't mean shit. Game sounds good, if uninspired, which to me sums up basically 95% of all decent games released each year. Good, but uninspired.

Posted by Tiago

No one cares if you played the 3DS game, just review this game in it's own right. Hate when reviews do this shit, other than that a good review, I definitely would get this if I was getting a Wii U.

Posted by Marokai

A score that basically matches the rhetoric. Good.

Posted by StriderNo9

Great review, I haven't played it myself yet but I've been tempering my excitement.

Posted by OldThrashbarg

So basically, this is as good as Medal of Honor: Warfighter?

Posted by Blimble

Fair comparisons shouldn't be made about the game cause I want it to have a higher score

Also sarcasm and on the games own merits it still seams pretty mediocre at best. Though for a launch game that is pretty good going.

Posted by august

It's times like this I perversely wish the Nintendo Defense Force was here losing their shit.

Posted by Marz

I actually might get the game, haven't played a 2d mario since super mario world... so i don't have the 2D mario fatigue.

Posted by Amafi

Never played any of the new super mario brothers games and I'm pumped for this, looks pretty awesome.

Posted by WickedCobra03

I can totally agree with Jeff on his Wah-hate. Its not terrible if they did it for one game or something, but it seems to be where the franchise is going which is scary. I don't have a 3DS yet, so I have not played New Super Mario Bros 2 on that, but I really loved the Wii one and wouldn't mind playing this eventually...and since I bought a Wii on launch but not a WiiU, this is definitely not a system seller... which is sad.

Posted by sear

So why don't you guys give Call of Duty 3/5 every year?

Posted by Even

Making analogies/comparing review scores to games in other genres is stupid.

Posted by leejunfan83

@Tiago said:

No one cares if you played the 3DS game, just review this game in it's own right. Hate when reviews do this shit, other than that a good review, I definitely would get this if I was getting a Wii U.

So fucking true another reason I could care less for Giantbomb's serious gaming coverage

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Edited by Even

@leejunfan83 said:

@Tiago said:

No one cares if you played the 3DS game, just review this game in it's own right. Hate when reviews do this shit, other than that a good review, I definitely would get this if I was getting a Wii U.

So fucking true another reason I could care less for Giantbomb's serious gaming coverage

Wrong and wrong. As said, reviews are opinions based on personal experience, and Brad plainly states up front that he has played the DS and Wii games. If another reviewer had never played those games, it's easy to see where that review would be much more positive and probably given the game 4 or 5 stars. But this is Brad's review, and he did play those games, and this is his opinion.

This isn't "Giant Bomb Defense Force," this is "Ignorant Comment Education Force." People seem to think that a game's score is a measure of *exactly* how good the game is without taking into account that a game's score is just a measure of what someone else thinks about a game. It's a terrible measure at that, but that's another conversation.

Posted by liako21

still seems like a pretty damn good launch game.

Posted by Darth Paul

Well, I've played all the games in this series. Didn't like the Wii one, but did enjoy the DS & 3DS ones. Played the Wii game some time ago, but played both DS games, and 3D Land quite recently, so I agree w/ the statement that it's a bit too much Mario too soon. Thankfully, I won't be getting a Wii U anytime soon and it will probably over a year or more until I actually get to play this one, so it will be a good long break between these for me!

Posted by Marokai
@leejunfan83 said:

@Tiago said:

No one cares if you played the 3DS game, just review this game in it's own right. Hate when reviews do this shit, other than that a good review, I definitely would get this if I was getting a Wii U.

So fucking true another reason I could care less for Giantbomb's serious gaming coverage

Reviewing games as if they exist in a vacuum is stupid.
Posted by Bourbon_Warrior

@sear said:

So why don't you guys give Call of Duty 3/5 every year?

Because they are great games that have different mechanics in multiplayer and an actual Narrative in the story that differs each year.

Posted by DharmaBum

Stick with Rayman: Origins for your cutesy platformer fix.

Posted by BaconGames

I've never played any of the games in the NSMB line (I did see a playthrough of all of the Wii one though) and in a vacuum I bet this game is probably the one New Super Mario Bros. you want but when you point out the context of where it sits alongside the others, then you can't help but feel a little disappointed.

Almost every other major outlet rated it higher than GB, from Destructoid, Polygon, IGN, GameSpot, Game Informer, Joystiq, EGM, Eurogamer, Game Trailers, GamesRadar and Edge. There are plenty of different perspectives that all conclude this game is pretty good to great but I think why I still sit with GB review is that it emphasizes precisely that context that does factor into how I've viewed the franchise until now. As far as the score is concerned, I think that reflects the combination of how Brad feels about what the game is in general and the context of feeling fatigued about it. If the fatigue was there I don't think Brad would have given it more than 4 stars anyway.

Posted by Brendan

@Marokai said:

@leejunfan83 said:

@Tiago said:

No one cares if you played the 3DS game, just review this game in it's own right. Hate when reviews do this shit, other than that a good review, I definitely would get this if I was getting a Wii U.

So fucking true another reason I could care less for Giantbomb's serious gaming coverage

Reviewing games as if they exist in a vacuum is stupid.

Exactly. Should the Amazing Spiderman movie have been reviewed as if it didn't reboot a series finished a mere few years ago? No, because those circumstances had an impact on those who watched the movie (including me).

Quality does not exist in a vacuum. Like anything else in existence, quality is measured relative to other things. Therefore the value derived from NSMBU will be affected by how similar it is to other NSMB games that were released recently.

Posted by Brendan

@Gordo789: Jeff has said himself that reviews are purchasing advice for those reading the review, with the reviewers personal experiences taken into context. Therefore, the climate the game is released under is important, such as the proximity of release dates for similar games. This is taken into account in both GB's reviews of CoD style games and Mario games.

Not only that, but personal experiences such as Brad's experience playing recent NSMB games are specifically mentioned in his review, just as Jeff's CoD experience in those particular reviews are stated as well.

Edited by johnwoods

New Super Mario Bros U reminds me of that old Mario game that we played when we were small and now when i look at this game it is so advanced with new features and amazing graphics. It looks so colorful and clear to watch. I am sure i will enjoy playing this game. :)

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