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Posted by wumbo3000

Just beat this game. Holy shit I love this game.

Posted by thatlad

@foxmulder: I hated the demo when I played that wolf, then I got the game for free on PS+ and learned mid way through the game how to master the parry. This changed the game completely for me, you need to 'flick' your joystick in the direction of the enemy whilst pressing square. Once I learned this 'flick' technique the game became wonderful

Edited by ModernMoriarty

The game's block system is completely broken. Because Raiden stays in his block stance until the attack hits and the command can be issued basically as soon as the enemy twitches his hand to even think about attacking, all you need to do is just constantly flick the Left stick in the direction of enemies, and mash light attack.

It blocks all attacks *every single time*.

Its crazy - you can fight whole hordes of guys and mechs indefinitely and take virtually no damage. The only attacks that can get through are unblockables (which hardly anyone has) or grapples (which you get as stick waggling chance to escape from). Its sad that something this important was messed up so badly. Because it removes any need for timing and just turns it into a button basher, ruining the game. And its all very well saying 'Well just don't do that', but it shouldn't be like this.

Its like if a FPS had an 'infinite ammo and invincibility' button mapped onto the actual controls, but told you not to use it, because that's naughty. I thought Platinum Games were supposed to be good at this sort of thing.

Posted by masterfaculty

He should really eliminate those cyborg police officers.

Edited by iragequit

Doesn't lean far enough to the metal gear side for me, it seems, all chop and no sneak. Thanks Jeff

Posted by MEATBALL

THIS GAME IS AMAZING. SO AMAZING THAT IT DEMANDS ALL CAPS. 10/5 STARS

Edited by Herk

He died only four times during the whole game? I've died at least 15 times now and I just finished chapter 6

Edit for further progress and more deaths

Posted by probablytuna

It's a little hard to justify the four or so hour play time but I'll probably give it a go when it's cheaper.

Posted by Rahxephon91

@av_gamer: Yep, the idea of replaying fun games is so silly.

Edited by Kaarloss

Wasn't for me. More Insane it got the more I hated it. Cant bring myself to finish it. Answer me this though: why if you have a cyborg bod thats designed for sword fighting and acrobatics, would you put high heels on it?

Posted by apoloimagod

I will probably just rent this, but I will definitely play it, just because it has 'Metal Gear' on it!

Edited by durden77

Holy shit he wasn't kidding about that final boss.

Game was greattttttt. It may have been a little short but ear to ear all the way.

Posted by RedRavN

This game seems crazy and awesome but its a shame about the length. It doesn't really seem like the best value proposition although this is the type of game that you are meant to replay. I'm still enjoying dmc(pc) so maybe I'll give this game a shot when its a bit more affordable.

It seems like such a crazy idea to release such a ridiculous action game as a spin off to a series that has been so different in form. However, I think it fits well tonally given how absurd and dumb(in the good way) metal gear has always been. I like asian games that embrace the crazy and are a bit more self aware. I think that aspect makes games like this and binary domain more fun. Thx for the review Jeff!

Edited by Puflwiz

Based Platinum does it again.

Posted by mORTEN81

Sweet readin' as always Jeff.

Posted by Nettacki

@rambo604 said:

Its surprising to hear its good, that demo was so shitty. But the four hours is a deal breaker. I have a hard time replaying anything anymore even stuff I love. Four hours and me likely not touching it again or for awhile at $60 is a deal breaker. Plus with games plummeting in price weeks after release half the time anymore I'll just hold off. Wait till summer and pick it up on the cheap.

Even if there's a lot of nice stuff to unlock and look for anyway?

Posted by AxleBro

The combat is a lot deeper than Jeff gives it credit for. I doubt this is the last we'll see of stupid-crazy robot Raiden.

Posted by Gordo789

Glad to see this turned out alright. Was going to buy it anyway, but relieved to see it's not awful.

Edited by bunnymud

<p>Fucking chainsaw dog is eating my lunch. I need to learn to parry better</p>

Edited by durden77

I've been playing it for the past 3 hours or so and godddd it's soooo siiccck. Platinum just brings down the fucking house with their style like no other.

Nice review Jeff.

Posted by HeyImPhoenix

Excited to play it this Friday! Also dynasty warriors 7 empires!

Posted by MHumphreys89

I'm not complaining, as i'm going to be buying the game regardless, but; I thought the developer claimed it wasn't a short game? Here's Jeff saying it is.

Posted by HyperionXR

Just finished the game. I will say that while the game was extremely fun and enjoyable, and the plot relatively decent, the finale and main antagonist at the end was truly horrible. Some of the worst most ridiculous writing/acting/design I've seen in a game yet, and it all comes out of nowhere. What an anti-climactic end...

Posted by MJones916
@elwoodan said:

I guess you could say he got his reviewgence?

*Stands up and claps*

Edited by Undeadpool

@geteveryone QUITE the contrary! I agree with you!

@cannedstingray said:

@kittyvondoom said:

@randombattle said:

I have to laugh at DmC getting a perfect 5 and this getting a 4.

It says more about who's reviewing them:

If Brad likes a game, he'll "really like it a lot" and sensationalise the heck out of it for the purpose of his agenda.

If Jeff likes a game, he'll give it 5 stars and keep playing it after the review.

4 stars seems to be Jeff's secret "eh, this game is ok, but by the end of the year I'll either resent it or have forgotten about it". I think if Brad got this game and not DMC, it would be 5 stars ;)

I agree that Brad gets really into games he likes, and tends to sensationalize them, and he may hand out the 5 star a little too often. But with the lack of .5 star I can see where he is coming from.

However I'm curious, What exactly is his "agenda"?

I was curious about this myself. I'm going to guess the answer involves the words "X-bot," "dumbing down," and, if I'm lucky "bribery." If it involves all three, I win "Fanboy/Fangirl Bingo!"

Posted by RAMBO604

Its surprising to hear its good, that demo was so shitty. But the four hours is a deal breaker. I have a hard time replaying anything anymore even stuff I love. Four hours and me likely not touching it again or for awhile at $60 is a deal breaker. Plus with games plummeting in price weeks after release half the time anymore I'll just hold off. Wait till summer and pick it up on the cheap.

Edited by Nettacki

@fozimuth said:

Why is anybody surprised that this got 4 stars? Did people just forget who Platinum was? They have people who were involved in the first Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Bayonetta, and Vanquish, what could leave you to believe they would they screw this up?

Development Hell related stuff, the fact that they essentially adopted this game from Kojima Productions, and the uncertainty regarding how well the elements of one mesh with elements of the other.

Posted by Nettacki

@cptbedlam said:

@randombattle said:

I have to laugh at DmC getting a perfect 5 and this getting a 4.

We all knew this would happen. The guys just don't know enough about this type of game and the flashy but shallow game would of course score higher than the game that offers depth and challenge. ;)

Knew what would happen? That they would have a different opinion and affix one less totally irrelevant star than you would have liked?

Check this out:

Aside from the decent juggling/string system, there are parries and cancels, too (though, less than I'd like). It most definitely has depth. The system may be changed from previous iterations, but you're confusing accessible with shallow.

This isn't high-school where you need to fight one for the other's affection. We've just seen two awesome action games released within a couple weeks of each other, and you're pissing all over DmC for no reason.

Have you played through MGR?

Okay, so it does have some depth. Problem is, the game's generally not hard enough (or the reward system isn't strict enough) to encourage one to go deeper than what they normally use in the first place.

Posted by sickVisionz

I've been up and down on my anticipation of this game. I was super excited to hear that Platinnum was making it. Then I heard that it wasn't Kamiya and I lost all interest in it. But, seconds in the gameplay of the quick look got it in my head that even though Kamiya wasn't there, the gameplay of this was going to be the type of insanity I like. Later Jeff cut a cardboard lady in half and it was replaced with a sexily dressed cardboard lady and that pretty much sold me on it having the goofball Kojima stuff I'd want as well.

Hearing that it's only 4 hours is a bummer so I won't be buying it at $60, but the day it goes on sale for $40 is the day Platinum/KojiPro will have my money.

Edited by Rahxephon91

To be fair. 4 hours is kind of inline with a lot of the MGS games.1,2,4(thank jesus), PO, and MG1 aren't very long either.

Posted by SpasticHeathen

@gaspower said:

I don't know if anybody who played the demo has noticed this but I have to ask: does the enemy AI have unparry-able attacks other than the grapple/throw move (I'm using the mini-Rex here for a frame of reference)?

I ran into an enemy with a flame thrower at one point. Only thing I can do is Defensive-Offense away and Ninja Run until it stops.

Posted by I_Stay_Puft

Great review Jeff, was pessimistic about the length but you saying metal gear universe and the last boss was crazy drove me to bought it. Played a little bit so far and am enjoying what I see.

Posted by Jackal888

I was going to buy this anyway. Jeff saying it is good only makes me feel good about my purchase.

Posted by Fozimuth

Why is anybody surprised that this got 4 stars? Did people just forget who Platinum was? They have people who were involved in the first Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami, Bayonetta, and Vanquish, what could leave you to believe they would they screw this up?

Posted by AV_Gamer

This game is clearly a rental. Play it, send it back, then move on.

Edited by Bladefire

Will probably pick this up eventually but I really wish there was more weapon variety. One of the best parts of Bayonetta was mixing and matching the different weapon sets to find new combos. Limiting the primary weapon to always be the sword kind of bums me out. I loved playing with combos like the whip and the ice skates or the claws and rocket launchers. Just seems like forcing the sword as always primary could be limiting (as well as the lack of quick swapping to use multiple weapon sets in a combo).

Posted by golguin

Sounds very good and I can't wait to play it. I'm all about Platinum and have never played a MGS game before so I guess mission accomplished?

Posted by SpartanHoplite

Tried the demo and didnt really care for the gameplay, and the fact i hate raiden makes me think its better just wait for 0.

Posted by m2cks

@randombattle said:

I have to laugh at DmC getting a perfect 5 and this getting a 4.

It says more about who's reviewing them:

If Brad likes a game, he'll "really like it a lot" and sensationalise the heck out of it for the purpose of his agenda.

If Jeff likes a game, he'll give it 5 stars and keep playing it after the review.

4 stars seems to be Jeff's secret "eh, this game is ok, but by the end of the year I'll either resent it or have forgotten about it". I think if Brad got this game and not DMC, it would be 5 stars ;)

*cough*Mortal Kombat vs. Dc Universe*cough*

Posted by Nightfang

Well i'm sold.

Posted by GERALTITUDE

@blimble @cptbedlam

Which makes these reviews perfect for me, as I also only plays these games periodically!

I'm not certain a review by a dude who is a total master of this genre and discusses it seriously at a technical level would be more useful to everybody.

Three Moves Ahead will have the more insightful, expert discussion and opinion on SimCity, but I'm more interested in Ryan, Brad, Vinny and Jeff's take on the game, because they are more like me in this scenario, and so more useful.

If anyone really cares about the lack of genre/franchise-specific experience reviewing games like DMC and Revengeance, then I urge them to review the game themselves, and put it up on GB. Cover the ground they can't instead of wishing they were different human beings with knowledge/interests they'll never have.

Posted by StriderNo9

Thanks for the review Jeff.

Posted by Gerhabio

So DmC is apparently a much better game and retains title as Giantbomb's GOTY 2013.

Wonder what future holds,probably no one will be able to beat DmC.

It's way too early to say that, duder. Don't forget Bioshock Infinite is around the corner.

Posted by Draxyle

@notdavid said:

Wait. This takes place AFTER Guns of the Patriots? I thought that it was going to take place in between 2 and 4. Besides, didn't Raiden get rid of his cyborg bits at the end of 4?

That was what the game was supposed to be while Konami was still working on it. For some reason they changed it when it was handed over to Platinum.

I was kinda disappointed with the switch, because it did feel like there was a lot they could explore during that gap between the two games.

Posted by CreamStarter

@stryker1121: There are 20 VR Missions, and like Vanquish's challenges they get pretty fucking difficult.

Posted by stryker1121

No challenge rooms or anything ala Vanquish? I'm one of those value-minded dudes you mention; can't believe that there aren't unlockable maps where you just slice up waves of enemies. This game seems like it would be perfect for that...

Posted by cannedstingray

@randombattle said:

I have to laugh at DmC getting a perfect 5 and this getting a 4.

It says more about who's reviewing them:

If Brad likes a game, he'll "really like it a lot" and sensationalise the heck out of it for the purpose of his agenda.

If Jeff likes a game, he'll give it 5 stars and keep playing it after the review.

4 stars seems to be Jeff's secret "eh, this game is ok, but by the end of the year I'll either resent it or have forgotten about it". I think if Brad got this game and not DMC, it would be 5 stars ;)

I agree that Brad gets really into games he likes, and tends to sensationalize them, and he may hand out the 5 star a little too often. But with the lack of .5 star I can see where he is coming from.

However I'm curious, What exactly is his "agenda"?

Posted by Supah_Ted

Can't wait

Edited by GetEveryone

This is getting pretty abstract. I'd be as well writing this in notepad now, because it's mostly for my own peace-of-mind.

Go isn't complex. It is, at its most basic, a very simple game.

The application of those rules, however, offers a wide, wide range of options. All of those options are provided for by that small set of rules, but in having options, the game isn't made complex. I can attack, build strength or extend my influence across the board, all the while adhering to the rule-set. Through the execution of a specific set of moves, I effect a complex plan; this complexity, though, is derived in the process and reasoning involved in arriving at my desired outcome, not in the moves themselves. The game isn't suddenly made complex by having these options at my disposal.

Similarly, you can use a relatively simple set of gates to build a complex circuit.

This, then, is where we differ: 'depth' is the tools available to us to achieve certain goals, and any complexity, therein, lies in the implementation (whether by action, reasoning or otherwise) of those tools.

Depth does not automatically infer complexity, but it may give way to it. The system itself remains relatively simple, even if we can use that system to enact a complex series of manoeuvres; they are not interchangeable.

...I've bored myself and, in a roundabout way, agreed with you. Yay?