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Posted by nickux

Nice write-up. Yoshida always seems like a good dude though that region-locking answer worries me.

Edited by Lively

I think he's saying all the right things at this point. From what's been announced, the PS4 will be a huge leap forward in hardware. 512MB of memory was way too small for the PS3. 8GB of unified GDDR5 is practically an embarrassment of riches by comparison.

Microsoft has their work cut out for them if they want to keep up.

I'm sure he's telling the truth that the console will play used disc-based games, but I'm hopeful that they get their act together and start deeply discounting the digital editions. That would under-cut Gamestop, if they're really so worried about losing profits to the second-hand market. PC Gamers / Steam users have been living in the future, it's time console peasants joined us.

Edited by SpartyOn

@lively: Totally agree, especially with what you said about the RAM. Not only did the PS3 only have 512MB, it was effectively split 50/50 between graphics and computing, so only 256 MB could be used by the GPU at any time. This jump to 8 GB can essentially be a 32x increase depending on how developers choose to use it because that arbitrary divide is apparently gone. The only thing that worries me is how this move will impact the price. Digital Foundry wrote a great article about the PS4 specs and mentioned that GDDR5 memory is only sold in smaller sticks right now, the largest of which is 512MB, so Sony either crammed 16 sticks of memory onto their board or they are using tech that hasn't been announced yet (which isn't exactly unusual for new consoles). Either way, that kind of memory doesn't run cheap, but I can't see Sony making the same pricing mistakes they made with the PS3 launch.

Posted by KittyVonDoom

It seems like they did a good job at emphasising their positives to the point where people aren't hanging much at all on any possible negatives so much. We'll see how long it lasts.

Posted by Ravenlight

@alex said:
Shuhei Yoshida speaking to reporters yesterday.

I'm going to pretend that those are bottles of sake and that everyone is having a great time with this whole PS4 thing.

Posted by metalsnakezero

From this interview, I can see the PS4 doing well. Even if some of it features may not work 100% at least the system will stand tall and move forward in the right direction.

Posted by NTM

Hey, if someone see's this comment, can you please reply to it. I want to see if it'll change my messages. It keeps saying I have two unread messages; it has since the site change. I want to know if I'm still receiving messages. Alright, thanks :).

Posted by Alekss

You remember that guy in the press conference that was werdly excited about cars? That's how I am right now about the PS4. Makes me think of that guy that got his penis stuck in the XBox 360's drive.

Edited by posh

the lack of backwards compatibility is a real kick to the balls, but not a surprise. but the fact that PSN purchases won't transfer over to PS4 is unbelievable. don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the PS4 conference and am pretty impressed with the PS4 overall, but stuff like that just makes me really sad

on the other hand it's nice to hear yoshida talk so much about catering to consumers' needs - specifically the fact that he realises privacy is a big issue. not something that should seem at all surprising because good business depends on appealing to consumers, but a lot of big decisions made over the last decade or so have seemed pretty counter-intuitive

Edited by TheBioLover
Posted by InsidiousTuna

@ntm: Quit pushing your own wacko agenda!

Posted by Phatmac

Gotta love Yoshida. Guy seems to understand a lot of things that gamers want.

Posted by joshthebear

I sure hope they can back up the big talk they made.

Posted by RudeCubes

Eh. I'll just stick with my Wii U for a while then. Some of this seems good but the lack of backward-compatibility's a real dealbreaker to me.

Edited by Lively

I wonder if switching to an x86 chip means that PlayStation 5, 6, and so on will have a much easier time with backwards compatibility. PC's, after all, have a practically unlimited back-catalogue, usually only hampered by drivers and operating systems (which can be fixed with enough tweaking).

Or, in the nearer future, maybe the PlayStation 4 will see a flood of PC ports.

This would still be cold comfort to people with now-useless PS3 / PS2 games.

Posted by pyrodactyl

@lively said:

I wonder if switching to an x86 chip means that PlayStation 5, 6, and so on will have a much easier time with backwards compatibility. PC's, after all, have a practically unlimited back-catalogue, usually only hampered by drivers and operating systems (which can be fixed with enough tweaking).

Or, in the nearer future, maybe the PlayStation 4 will see a flood of PC ports.

This would still be cold comfort to people with now-useless PS3 / PS2 games.

PS5 will be all digital or cloud gaming, if they even make one. Remember, we're talking about 2020 here.

Posted by Jams

@ntm said:

Hey, if someone see's this comment, can you please reply to it. I want to see if it'll change my messages. It keeps saying I have two unread messages; it has since the site change. I want to know if I'm still receiving messages. Alright, thanks :).

messages and the inbox is broken. One day it showed messaged but 404'ed if you clicked on them and then the inbox just didn't work at all.

Edited by SomeJerk

@lively said:

I wonder if switching to an x86 chip means that PlayStation 5, 6, and so on will have a much easier time with backwards compatibility. PC's, after all, have a practically unlimited back-catalogue, usually only hampered by drivers and operating systems (which can be fixed with enough tweaking).

Or, in the nearer future, maybe the PlayStation 4 will see a flood of PC ports.

This would still be cold comfort to people with now-useless PS3 / PS2 games.

Yes, for future PS BC. Very few titles using unique hardware trickery will require special software patching if possible on the PS5, just look at how the PS3 PS1 BC isn't 100% for an example of that.

And yeah it sucks to how all the PS3s and PS2s in the world just exploded.

Edited by Cirdain

I thought the conference was great. I just had two problems with it, the Square Enix engine tech demo and that pointless looking touch-pad but they're minor things. Everything else was clear and descriptive so it was to my taste... the most hardware and tech sites and some gaming sites are getting a bit to... inane and childish.

Anyway it's good they had a meeting like this to clear things up (sorta). Shows a dedication to selective transparency and attempt to earn trust and respect from the consumer.

Edited by whatisdelicious

If they're worried about used games, take all restrictions off of used games, but cut the price of digital releases. Then GameStop gets what it wants with the used games market still existing, but at the same time, sales of non-refundable, non-tradeable digital games with higher profit margins will increase. Everybody wins.

Edited by Scrumdidlyumptious

I have no idea why Sony doesn't get Yoshida to speak at these things. He's an ultra humble and down to earth contrast to the other Sony presenters and he's quite well spoken even in English. The biggest thing is that he just seems honest and knows what gamers want, even with a PR department breathing down his back. It would be a lot easier to get people to drink the Sony Kool-Aid if they used him as a speaker.

Posted by djou

I'm always surprised at Yoshida's candidness. Even though he can come off as cagey or defer to a PR person, when you compare this to the public faces at Microsoft its night and day. He has interesting game centric tweets, goes on podcast, does round tables. I'll give him credit, he goes the distance to make sure gamers know that he's an executive that listens to them. Would any of the Japanese executives at Nintendo ever do anything like this?

Posted by Vexxan

I'm happy to see them acknowledge that not everyone wants to connect their console to Facebook or w/e and share every damn step they take in a game.

Posted by jimmyfenix

i cant wait for deep down , im going deep down you guys!!!

Posted by deano546

The fact that he's been willing to talk about things like always online and used games makes me think that either the PS4 will be region locked, or they're still not 100% sure either way.

Posted by CaLe

I never knew Mark Cerny before this event but seeing him on stage made me wanna learn more. After watching some videos on YouTube I'm now certain Sony made a great decision in getting him on board.

Edited by Quarters

Sounds like their heads are in the right place. Awesome.

Edited by Phished0ne

Because im sure publishers and devs want their games to be deeply discounted on the digital market, where a lot of people will be buying their games in the future. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

Posted by heatDrive88

That was a really good write-up. It solidified a lot of questions I had (to best it possibly could within their PR plan).

Posted by gaminghooligan

@djou said:

I'm always surprised at Yoshida's candidness. Even though he can come off as cagey or defer to a PR person, when you compare this to the public faces at Microsoft its night and day. He has interesting game centric tweets, goes on podcast, does round tables. I'll give him credit, he goes the distance to make sure gamers know that he's an executive that listens to them. Would any of the Japanese executives at Nintendo ever do anything like this?

Agree. I feel like Sony has a lot of good people representing this system, it'll be interesting to see if Microsoft takes note.

Posted by yakov456

Great article Alex!

Posted by Cloudenvy

As a European who's a fan of Persona, that region locking answer makes me effing scared.

Posted by GERALTITUDE

Man, Shuhei rocks. Every time, all the time. When did the Sony Team become so likeable?

@lively said:

I wonder if switching to an x86 chip means that PlayStation 5, 6, and so on will have a much easier time with backwards compatibility. PC's, after all, have a practically unlimited back-catalogue, usually only hampered by drivers and operating systems (which can be fixed with enough tweaking).

Or, in the nearer future, maybe the PlayStation 4 will see a flood of PC ports.

This would still be cold comfort to people with now-useless PS3 / PS2 games.

PS5 will be all digital or cloud gaming, if they even make one. Remember, we're talking about 2020 here.

I've going to write something about this soon, but I just had to step in and say Nah.

Even in 2020 all of America will not have stable enough internet to eliminate disc-based formats entirely. And forget America. What about the rest of the world? Consoles are sold in more and more countries every year as the middle classes in Asia, the Middle East and South America continue to grow at a rapid rate. Do you really believe any company is going to build a box (uh, no box?) that can only run in countries with flawless internet? So, you do what Sony does. Make a box with a drive for when the internet doesn't work, and then allow streaming for those users who can enjoy it.

Look at how they're devouring the PS2 in Brazil (and it costs 500US bucks). Console gamers aren't going anywhere. And if there's money to be made... why not make money? If someone will buy a console, someone will make it.

Streaming and cloud gaming will always be the cherry on top, not the de facto, at least for the foreseeable future. This myth of the cloud is gaining a lot of traction now and I know a lot of people would love to jump down my throat, but it's just not going to happen that fast. Maybe in 2025 you will be able to buy a SKU that allows you to only stream, but the disc-based has to continue to exist. Don't believe the hype.

Posted by leebmx

I am trying to get my head around the PS4's specs but find I don't know enough about how processors, RAM, graphics cards etc work and work together to form my own opinion. Can anyone tell me a good site to go to which will explain it all for a relative newbie?

Posted by Jazzycola

@lively said:
This would still be cold comfort to people with now-useless PS3 / PS2 games.

Except they, most likely, still own a PS3 or PS2.

Edited by PixelSoldier

You should listen to the Tested podcast, "This Is Only a Test," Will and Norm do a good job explaining these things and I imagine this'll be a big point of discussion on their next podcast.

Posted by Questionable

@nickux said:

Nice write-up. Yoshida always seems like a good dude though that region-locking answer worries me.

I bet that it is the same as with the PS3,

Where the options is technically there but only two or three games made use of it this entire generation.
- One of those was because it was packed with a complete blu-ray movie on disc hence there being a whole array of extra laws to be taken into consideration for the publisher.

I bet that admitting that the PS4 is technically capable of region locking games will just cause a ton of negative PR for something that in practice we will only see in another 2-3 games ever.

Posted by Lurkero

Enjoyed the article, but I would suggest that for articles like this there is more contrast in the formatting. I am having trouble distinguishing the text.

Posted by camp7203

Everything everywhere, except if you paid for it already. That seems to be their company line on backwards compatibility.

Posted by G24S

Great article Alex!

Edited by Draxyle

I totally get why the PS4 won't be able to play PS3 games; that was a mistake they made back half a decade ago with the Cell, but I'm disappointed that they aren't even considering PS2 or even PS1 backwards compatibility. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to detect the discs and emulate them, especially with the power of the console itself now. Gaikai is merely a bandaid over that gaping wound that we've been complaining about for years with the PS3. If they can't even get my PSN purchases of PS1 and PS2 games working, that will just be embarrassing for us and for them.

This is going to be a rough transitional period into more "normal" computing architecture that will help in the long run, but they need better solutions and answers to the problems it creates right now.

The region locking is another worrying issue. Until developers can manage to get games a global release on day one, we shouldn't be punishing our European or Australian friends just to screw over specific markets with their currencies.

Posted by Landmine

I'm pretty excited, almost makes me want to buy a vita.

Posted by CarlosTheDwarf

Want to second the vote for Yoshida to do Sony events and pressers. He comes off much more real that anyone else at Sony or anybody at Microsoft.

Edited by Hassun

@leebmx: When in doubt about technical stuff, go to Richard Leadbetter at Digital Foundry (hosted on Eurogamer). It still amazes me he is one of the only people out there doing this kind of thing.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-playstation-4

Posted by Bollard

@hassun said:

@leebmx: When in doubt about technical stuff, go to Richard Leadbetter at Digital Foundry (hosted on Eurogamer). It still amazes me he is one of the only people out there doing this kind of thing.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-playstation-4

Just reading that article it occurred to me they glossed over the whole "unified" part of the RAM. URAM is really interesting from the research journals I've just been reading, it's like DRAM combined with flash memory. Which basically means you can choose whether you want it to be volatile, and have super fast read/write like DRAM, or non-volatile and store for up to years with no power on.

That's how Sony is gunna be doing the whole put your machine into sleep mode, with no power thing. And that's pretty cool. I have no idea what the performance implications are gunnna be on it, I mean, theoretically the URAM should be as fast as normal DRAM. But this is the first time I've ever heard of it being used in a commercial device.

And GDDR5 to boot, it has to be so damn expensive right?

Edited by whatisdelicious

@draxyle said:

I totally get why the PS4 won't be able to play PS3 games; that was a mistake they made back half a decade ago with the Cell, but I'm disappointed that they aren't even considering PS2 or even PS1 backwards compatibility. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to detect the discs and emulate them, especially with the power of the console itself now. Gaikai is merely a bandaid over that gaping wound that we've been complaining about for years with the PS3. If they can't even get my PSN purchases of PS1 and PS2 games working, that will just be embarrassing for us and for them.

This is going to be a rough transitional period into more "normal" computing architecture that will help in the long run, but they need better solutions and answers to the problems it creates right now.

The region locking is another worrying issue. Until developers can manage to get games a global release on day one, we shouldn't be punishing our European or Australian friends just to screw over specific markets with their currencies.

It's pretty difficult from the sound of things actually. Just because a system is exponentially more powerful doesn't mean it can natively run the software. The software is designed around the hardware and if the hardware isn't the same, it doesn't work correctly.

At this point though, I'm not really that concerned about backwards compatability. I remember being vehement about getting a PS3 that would have PS2 backwards compatability, but once it was there, I almost never wanted to play PS2 games. Sure, from time to time I'd pop one in, but by and large, not really. It's kind of a bummer that all my PSN games won't transfer over just because I really liked having a huge library of games on-hand without swapping discs ever, but I think I'm just going to hang on to my PS3 and not worry about it. The problem with keeping old systems around before this generation was that they all hooked up to your TV with different cables. Now it'll only be a matter of swapping my HDMI cable between the two systems, which we used to have to do in my apartment in college because my roommate had a 360 and I had a PS3 and we only had one HDMI port for a while. Not that big of a deal.

Posted by MetalGearSunny

As a European who's a fan of Persona, that region locking answer makes me effing scared.

I would imagine. Atlus seems really bad with dealing with that part of the world.

Posted by awesomeusername

@posh: @rudecubes: Forgot where I read it but people are saying that putting backward compatibility will make the console a ton more expensive and then you'd guys will just bitch about that. So keep your (buy a) PS3 and buy a PS4. Done.

Posted by posh

@awesomeusername: you say that like it's simple. at this point, I do need to upgrade my PS3 and having a whole other machine doesn't work well for me since I travel a lot. I did say that the lack of backwards compatibility was at least expected, since they fucked up with that cell processor, but my main problem is with the PSN purchases not carrying over.

Edited by GaspoweR

@chavtheworld said:

@hassun said:

@leebmx: When in doubt about technical stuff, go to Richard Leadbetter at Digital Foundry (hosted on Eurogamer). It still amazes me he is one of the only people out there doing this kind of thing.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-playstation-4

Just reading that article it occurred to me they glossed over the whole "unified" part of the RAM. URAM is really interesting from the research journals I've just been reading, it's like DRAM combined with flash memory. Which basically means you can choose whether you want it to be volatile, and have super fast read/write like DRAM, or non-volatile and store for up to years with no power on.

That's how Sony is gunna be doing the whole put your machine into sleep mode, with no power thing. And that's pretty cool. I have no idea what the performance implications are gunnna be on it, I mean, theoretically the URAM should be as fast as normal DRAM. But this is the first time I've ever heard of it being used in a commercial device.

And GDDR5 to boot, it has to be so damn expensive right?

John Carmack also had something interesting to say on Twitter regarding the Sony hardware.

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