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Posted by lamegame621

Word, BoG. Great list.

Posted by Arkthemaniac

SOTN was underrated by you.

Posted by TheJollyRajah

Thanks for mentioning GnG. That game deserves more respect.

Posted by Bucketdeth

Nice list man, MGS was a legendary game, great choice.

Posted by LordAndrew
Optiow said:
"I agree with everything there exept Shadow of the collosus. It was a boring game."
Boring? I could see someone thinking Ico was boring, but Shadow of the Colossus?
Oh well. Not everyone enjoys the same games, no matter how great they are. ;)
Posted by Dipstick

I always had fonder memories of mgs1 than I ever had with 2 or 3 (or even 4 for that matter :D)


I kinda had a bond with that game and the cool puzzle where I had to smoke to see the laser,I though that was so badass!

I approve of this list

Posted by BoG
TheGreatGuero said:
"Well, thanks for responding. I really need to tone down the length of my replies, I do this all the time! However, it seems to work best when I do it in a blog since I can at least count on the original poster reading it instead of nobody. Yeah, the camera was certainly a big issue for me. I'm sure it was in the other MGS games too, but the radar kind of minimized the problem. I mean, really... is it that important to see everything when the only thing you have to be cautious of is enemies, who are clearly shown with even their field of vision on your radar? Once that was taken away, I felt kind of handicapped. Looking back on my comments, I was kind of harsh on MGS3. Sorry for ripping on your game, dude. Anyway, great list. I'm curious, have you played Metroid Prime 3? I still strongly promote it as being the best game on the Wii. Sure, not quite up to the level of Prime, but heck, what game is? I mean, really, c'mon. It's almost not fair to even judge it by Prime. In it's own right, I think Metroid Prime 3 is superb and keeps things fresh. "
No, I have yet to play MP3. It came out before I bought my Wii, and I still need to get it.

And shame on you Optiow. Shame on you.
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Posted by Optiow

I agree with everything there exept Shadow of the collosus. It was a boring game.

Posted by Rio

props for SOTC and MGS1.  I must of played through both of them 10+ times, lost count really.  FFVII will always be a favorite for me but I just give up talking about it considering how much people love to hate it, Ive grown tired of trying to explain my side of it.

Posted by TheGreatGuero

Well, thanks for responding. I really need to tone down the length of my replies, I do this all the time! However, it seems to work best when I do it in a blog since I can at least count on the original poster reading it instead of nobody. Yeah, the camera was certainly a big issue for me. I'm sure it was in the other MGS games too, but the radar kind of minimized the problem. I mean, really... is it that important to see everything when the only thing you have to be cautious of is enemies, who are clearly shown with even their field of vision on your radar? Once that was taken away, I felt kind of handicapped. Looking back on my comments, I was kind of harsh on MGS3. Sorry for ripping on your game, dude. Anyway, great list. I'm curious, have you played Metroid Prime 3? I still strongly promote it as being the best game on the Wii. Sure, not quite up to the level of Prime, but heck, what game is? I mean, really, c'mon. It's almost not fair to even judge it by Prime. In it's own right, I think Metroid Prime 3 is superb and keeps things fresh.

Posted by BoG

Wow, I'm loving the big comments. I've really already said too much about all these games, but I'll respond to a few.


Milkman, it's not that I don't want the series to advance. I just want it to happen properly. It's not an advance to write a story that completely depends on the previous games, and as I've said, totally takes a dump on the canon. Overcomplication is not progress, either. I also completely agree about the Big Boss scene. That's the part that just... oh gosh. It was abominable. Just about every revelation made me want to puke. It almost ruined MGS2's story, and... oh gosh. Anyways...

I'm sad that you didn't like the controls in the MGS games, Guero, but you aren't the first person to say that. I thought they were great, but I've heard many people who just said "no." As for MGS3, I don't necessarily think it's the control problems. If you have issues with it, from my experience, it's that the camera angles in the original are a little difficult for the more open areas. It's fine indoors, but it becomes more difficult in the Jungle.

As for MP, I thought the artifact hunt was fine. It opened new areas, and encouraged exploration. The hints were vague, yet they opened the world to me further. I also loved your positive comments, they reminded me of how much I loved it again.

Ravey, glad to hear you also loved MGS. Someone has to like the controls.
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Posted by Ravey

I thought the first three Metal Gear Solid games were phenominal, especially the first game. Everything about it blew me away. At the time it had one of the better implementations of AI next to Goldeneye (Patrol routes, functional pathfinding and stealth was all exceptional and made the enemies interesting.) The enemies felt real too, I remember lots of games tried to copy that like Soldier of Fortune and No One Lives Forever, but even years later, they didn't do it as well as MGS. Also the level of detail in the environments was just amazing, as someone that was mostly exposed to PC gaming, games like Quake didn't hold up at all against the atmospheric environments and abundance of quality texture work. There are all sorts of neat effects like the reflections in puddles, steam from ventilations, visible breath in cold environents, swinging chains, footprints, etc etc...it was one of those games that was way beyond the current generation at the time.

They made so many right decisions too, they took their time and made a game that wasn't hindered by the kinds of problems that ruined a lot of early 3D games. I never had a problem with the controls, personally I thought they were great compared to other 3D action games, regardless of the platform they were on. The first one is particularly memorable because it was where almost everything memorable about MGS was defined, besides some things that were borrowed from the MSX games.

Had the most fun playing this one as a kid, back when a friend brought it to our house and we just took turns sneaking around in the cardboard box and causing all sorts of mischief! I think the gameplay is very underrated, given how much attention is given to the cutscnes...

Posted by samcotts

BoG, I completely agree with what you had to say about MGS4, there is too much action and not enough sneaking around like the previous games. The gameplay aspect of the MGS series is all about getting you heart pumping as you try to sneak past, tranquilize dudes and hide in lockers, and there really isn't much of that in MGS4.


The first and second Metal Gear Solid's are two of my all time favourites, though I would probably place MGS2 just above the first. As for MGS3, never played it. The location and lack of radar scares me. I did, however, watch the movie (/allthecutscenesplayedoneafteranother) version, so I managed to pick up the most important part of it, the story.
Posted by TheGreatGuero

I was anxiously anticipating your final five. Sorry it's taken me so long to write a reply to it. I really need to start playing the Castlevania series, by the way. It's definitely one of the highest regarded video game series around, and I've only played one of them on the SNES for about 5 minutes and wasn't enjoying it much. Still, maybe I should give Castlevania another go.

Snake Eater, eh? You know, I never even finished it. I couldn't really even tell you why. I played through it, got pretty far, maybe like half way through it... then for some reason, stopped playing it for months. Some other big games must have come out that held my attention away from it. Many months later, I wanted to get back to it, and couldn't really remember much from the story and decided to start it over. I only got up to around Ocelot's first fight before quitting again. To be honest, I can't say I enjoyed it that much. I had a lot of problems with it. First of all, the preset camera just wasn't working out so hot, especially since the radar was removed. Sure, you had other forms of radar, but considering they picked up animals and things and had a battery life, I found them to be mostly useless. By the time MGS3 came out, I think the controls had become incredibly outdated. Movement in the game never felt comfortable or fluid to me. Most of the time, the awkward controls would be completely responsible whenever I made a mistake or accidentally alerted guards. I actually think the controls got worse with MGS3. I recall something in the controls where to like hold a hostage and use him as a shield and shoot enemies, I had to hold down Circle, Triangle, and still press Square to shoot. 3 face buttons at once? Man, that's ugly. Especially with the Square button using button sensitivity... Also, the brief load time to pause and change your camoflauge kind of sucked. Considering how frequently the environment changed, this got annoying. As a result, I tried to change my outfit as rarely as possible. There was a lot of good to be found in the game, for sure. Tossing grenades into alligator mouths? That's great fun. I thought it was cool how there were so many types of camo available to you, and then you had the whole aspect of hunting for food, which was interesting but ultimately not anything too great, as far as I'm concerned. Another issue I had with the game is that I never really felt like I was trying to survive in the jungle. I thought that was something the game was aiming for. Hunting food was incredibly easy and there was always an abundance around. Snake never sleeps? I thought it'd be cool if I had to find a place to sleep every once in a while, and could set traps just in case any enemies would happen to walk by as I rested. None of that happened. Healing wounds was neat the first time, but considering there really wasn't anything to it other than using certain medkit items in a certain order, it got old really quick. You could also carry a ridiculous amount of stuff, which certainly didn't help with the whole survival mood. I found that to be stealthy in the game, you really had to play the game at a significantly slower pace. That's how I tried to play through it for the most part, but it's kind of discouraging when it's so much easier to just run pull out an AK and shoot guards. I don't know, I just never really felt like I was rewarded for playing in a stealthy manner, and felt like I was wasting my time when I could more easily just run and around and shoot everybody and hardly get damaged by their bullets. Okay, just another thing or two. I thought the ridiculousness of the cutscenes went way too far. I remembered thinking they were cool in MGS2, but MGS3 takes them to such an extreme level that they're incredibly cheesy, embarrassing, and for the most part kind of stupid. Like that part where Eva does like a backflip on a motorcycle on flat ground and perfectly hits a guard in the head with the back wheel? Too far, man. Too far. Also, I was disappointed with how lame they made Ocelot. I think him and Snake have like one of the greatest rivalries in all of gaming, yet here Ocelot is betrayed as being some young, dorky, mating-call-obsessed soldier. Also, I found the conversations to be a lot less interesting. Well, I think I've said enough about MGS3. I'd like to beat it one day, it has some great boss fights and a cool ending that would probably be good for me to experience first-hand, but considering all my issues with it's gameplay and how much fun I didn't have at times, it just might never happen. Well, sorry to gripe about one of your favorites. Onto the next one!

Shadow of the Colossus is a cool, original game. Definitely nowhere near being among my all-time favorites, but I can show some love. I agree that it's a great concept. I love the idea of having just a bunch of boss fights. Luckily for you, I don't have quite as much to say about this one. I enjoyed the aspect of having to track down all of the different Colossi, which in itself could be quite challenging at times. My favorite battle is the one in the second picture you chose. I really loved that one. Most of them were really good, though. I would have liked to have scaled that main building. I didn't know until after beating it that eating lizard tails would increase your grip strength. The story didn't have all that much of an effect on me, I found most of it to be pretty forgettable. The way it's presented and all takes place around that building and the girl is pretty cool. I did feel bad killing a lot of the Colossi. Many of them seemed like kind, harmless giants, while others were a lot more aggressive. The art style is fantastic, and yeah, it really looks fantastic for a PS2 game. It's a game I should probably be playing right now that my 360 has been sent off to repairs, but it's probably not gonna happen since I'm about to start Donkey Kong Country 3 for the first time.

Here we go. Metroid Prime. This is a choice I can fully get behind. Metroid Prime might be the best video game to come out of last gen. It's among the top five without question, I don't care who you are. It's a masterpiece. It's phenomenal in pretty much every right. It was actually the first or second Metroid game I ever played. I don't remember if I played Metroid Fusion first or not. Heh, your story about your dad is kind of interesting to me. It was the same way with my best friend. He had an SNES, and his dad loved Super Metroid and also had Metroid 2 on Game Boy. Growing up, my only experience with the series was pretty much just watching his dad play it. Anyway, I think it's amazing how well Metroid transitioned to 3D. I remember being sucked in right away in that first level. Then afterwards, you lose all your weapons and powerups and have to find them throughout this new world. That actually was discouraging to me. I felt like I was kind of robbed, but perhaps more than anything that first part of the game serves as a teaser of the awesomeness that is to come. Eventually I grew to love exploring Tallon IV. The world Retro Studios created was absolutely amazing. The environment was so impressive, so varied, so believable. The gameplay and powerups were all put to good use. The game also maintains it's awesomeness throughout, and it's a pretty long game that never really falters. I have only one complaint about Metroid Prime. The artifact collecting that is required before one of the final boss fights is rough. You're given just a small hint, which also points you in the area where you'll find what you're looking for, but in my experience, I think a guide is pretty much required for this part. Maybe more helpful hints would have been nice. I don't know, maybe you'll disagree about that, but I wasn't having much luck finding them on my own. Wow, the game sure had some great boss fights too. This is certainly one of the most impressive games I've ever played in my life. Some genius puzzles thrown in there as well. Good pick.

Final Fantasy VII. I agree. This is totally the best game ever and my all-time favorite!
Okay, okay, I'm totally lying. I hate Final Fantasy. FF7 is one of the only games I played from the series, and I wasn't enjoying it at all.

Metal Gear Solid is a game I overlooked back on the Playstation. I rented it shortly after it came out, and dude, I just didn't get it. Cigarettes? Cardboard boxes? Ketchup? What the heck is this game?! It also had weird controls, and was pretty different from probably any game I had ever played at that point. I didn't play it for all that long before deciding I was done. Well... that may have been a huge mistake on my part. Anyway, I did get to relive the magic with Twin Snakes on Gamecube, so at least I had that opportunity. One of my biggest problems with MGS on Playstation was not being able to really see where you were shooting. I didn't like that at all. Twin Snakes fixed that and added some other upgrades from MGS2. I thought the story and characters in this game were definitely more interesting than those in MGS3. The game definitely has some great moments. I loved some of the violence of it too. Like with uhh.. what was his name, Frank? Against Metal Gear Rex. Awesomeness. I can't say I remember most of that boss fights all that well, but I suppose I still have a general idea of what happened in each of them. Psycho Mantis, of course, but that one has been so publicized since the release that I'm sure people who haven't played MGS can tell you all about it. I tried buying Twin Snakes a few years ago... I had always been reluctant to buy it because of the awful box art the game had. I know that's stupid, but I like good box art, and Twin Snakes' box art is ugly and low quality, and I have no idea why they did that. Maybe they were trying to make it look closer to the original PS1's graphics, but either way, I think it looks awful. Okay, okay, so I ended up trying to buy it, only to find out that it's become this super rare game. Buying it new? Forget about it. You're gonna be spending like $100 or more. Looks like I'll never own it. Ah well, it was a great rental. Good list, man. I've enjoyed reading them and commenting on them. Maybe I'll write a list of my all time favorite games as well, but don't count on it.

Posted by Milkman
BoG said:
"Milkman said:
"I know you can't really criticize a favorite list but hey, I'll do it anyway.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game in the series. Why? Because it evolved. It became more Western and in turn, just a more accessible and fun game to play. The shooting, which is usually TERRIBLE in Metal Gear games, was extremely tight, while the stealth mechanics were also very improved and gratifying. For me, MGS 4 is the brilliant example of how to mesh together a compelling story line and great gameplay. Plus, it looks pretty nice too, eh?

This may have something to do with me not loving Metal Gear Solid or MGS 3. Don't get me wrong. The games are great and I definitely enjoy them immensely. The original was groundbreaking for sure, but it had its flaws. As for MGS 3, once again, great game but the gameplay and story don't mesh together nearly as well as MGS 4. But MGS 2...Now, if there is any game that deserves to share the a number five spot with another MGS game, it's that. I can't really explain why I like MGS 2 so much more than the original and MGS 3 but it just feels so much tighter. I feel it's along side MGS 4 as a game that combines these hugely technically impressive cut scenes and great gameplay to find the perfect middle ground.

And I assure you again, I'm not trying to bash MGS and MGS 3 and I know this is your list and none of what I just typed really matters to you. Just my two cents.
"
So, we define evolution these days by how westernized it becomes? What an ethnocentric approacj. Accessibility? I had a really hard time with the fact that my dad couldn't get a hold of MGS4. He's a fan of the series just like I am, but he couldn't figure out all the complex commands required to accomplish anything in the game. Accessible games don't have a learning curve that steep. The stealth mechanics may be improved, but it doesn't really matter, because there was just too little stealth in the game. I'd also love to know how exactly the gameplay and story mesh together so well? That "meshing" occurs the same in each of the games. 
As for how compelling the story is, are you SURE you played 3? I mean, that story was cohesive, it had some great themes and great characters. Metal Gear Solid 4 was a fanservice that defaulted to nanomachines to explain absolutely everything. I honestly can't understand how you don't think 3 had the absolute best story and cutscene choreography of the series. Four had that crawling scene that was quite impressive, but other than that it drew too much from the other games. 4 had a bigger budget, but 3 was just a whole lot better. 
What you typed does matter to me. I've played these games religiously, and I think it's blasphemous to say that the fourth game is as good as its predecessors in any regard aside from technology (both graphically and gameplay wise). I reiterate, it was a fanservice, and one I just couldn't love as much as the games that came before it.
"
As an answer to your first question, uh..yeah, evolution these days is kind of about westernizing these Japanese franchises. Japanese game development has pretty much stayed stationary for the past 5 years and I thought Metal Gear Solid 4 was a pretty refreshing reminder that they can strike this balance of making the game more playable for everyone while still staying true to their fans. Obviously, you feel like MGS 4 was a downgrade but you're honestly the first Metal Gear Solid fan I've ever say that, so I'm thinking you're in the minority.

We obviously have total different views of the MGS franchise. You sound like you don't really want the franchise to change all that much, which is understandable as a fan. Fans usually don't want their beloved things to change drastically from what they know and love and I get that. But as someone who is a fan of Metal Gear Solid but I thought it had alot of flaws and I feel that those flaws were finally ironed out completly in MGS 4. As for their not being enough stealth in MGS 4, I don't really see where your coming from. I think it's definitely possible to sneak your way through 90% of MGS 4. It might be easier to just shoot some dudes at some points but I don't feel there is anything wrong with that, which once again is just differnt views on the franchise.

Also, I didn't aim to make it seem like MGS 3 had a bad story or that it wasn't compelling. Metal Gear Solid always has a great story and it's not that I think that MGS 4 has a better story but it's told in a much better way. I found myself watching a cutscene and then looking at the clock and seeing a half hour had passed by even though it felt more like 10 minutes. To me, that's the mark of just brillant storytelling where I watch an hour long cutscene and not feel like it interrupted the flow of gameplay at all. As for your fan service point, yeah, I give you that. Much of the end of the game is complete fan service. The only scene I felt went on WAAYY too long was the final Big Boss - Snake scene, which just felt so forced and downright stupid. That, along with the wedding scene and Raiden's family moment were a little much.
Posted by BoG
Milkman said:
"I know you can't really criticize a favorite list but hey, I'll do it anyway.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game in the series. Why? Because it evolved. It became more Western and in turn, just a more accessible and fun game to play. The shooting, which is usually TERRIBLE in Metal Gear games, was extremely tight, while the stealth mechanics were also very improved and gratifying. For me, MGS 4 is the brilliant example of how to mesh together a compelling story line and great gameplay. Plus, it looks pretty nice too, eh?

This may have something to do with me not loving Metal Gear Solid or MGS 3. Don't get me wrong. The games are great and I definitely enjoy them immensely. The original was groundbreaking for sure, but it had its flaws. As for MGS 3, once again, great game but the gameplay and story don't mesh together nearly as well as MGS 4. But MGS 2...Now, if there is any game that deserves to share the a number five spot with another MGS game, it's that. I can't really explain why I like MGS 2 so much more than the original and MGS 3 but it just feels so much tighter. I feel it's along side MGS 4 as a game that combines these hugely technically impressive cut scenes and great gameplay to find the perfect middle ground.

And I assure you again, I'm not trying to bash MGS and MGS 3 and I know this is your list and none of what I just typed really matters to you. Just my two cents.
"
So, we define evolution these days by how westernized it becomes? What an ethnocentric approacj. Accessibility? I had a really hard time with the fact that my dad couldn't get a hold of MGS4. He's a fan of the series just like I am, but he couldn't figure out all the complex commands required to accomplish anything in the game. Accessible games don't have a learning curve that steep. The stealth mechanics may be improved, but it doesn't really matter, because there was just too little stealth in the game. I'd also love to know how exactly the gameplay and story mesh together so well? That "meshing" occurs the same in each of the games. 
As for how compelling the story is, are you SURE you played 3? I mean, that story was cohesive, it had some great themes and great characters. Metal Gear Solid 4 was a fanservice that defaulted to nanomachines to explain absolutely everything. I honestly can't understand how you don't think 3 had the absolute best story and cutscene choreography of the series. Four had that crawling scene that was quite impressive, but other than that it drew too much from the other games. 4 had a bigger budget, but 3 was just a whole lot better. 
What you typed does matter to me. I've played these games religiously, and I think it's blasphemous to say that the fourth game is as good as its predecessors in any regard aside from technology (both graphically and gameplay wise). I reiterate, it was a fanservice, and one I just couldn't love as much as the games that came before it.
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Posted by AgentJ
Milkman said:
"I know you can't really criticize a favorite list but hey, I'll do it anyway.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game in the series. Why? Because it evolved. It became more Western and in turn, just a more accessible and fun game to play. The shooting, which is usually TERRIBLE in Metal Gear games, was extremely tight, while the stealth mechanics were also very improved and gratifying. For me, MGS 4 is the brilliant example of how to mesh together a compelling story line and great gameplay. Plus, it looks pretty nice too, eh?

This may have something to do with me not loving Metal Gear Solid or MGS 3. Don't get me wrong. The games are great and I definitely enjoy them immensely. The original was groundbreaking for sure, but it had its flaws. As for MGS 3, once again, great game but the gameplay and story don't mesh together nearly as well as MGS 4. But MGS 2...Now, if there is any game that deserves to share the a number five spot with another MGS game, it's that. I can't really explain why I like MGS 2 so much more than the original and MGS 3 but it just feels so much tighter. I feel it's along side MGS 4 as a game that combines these hugely technically impressive cut scenes and great gameplay to find the perfect middle ground.

And I assure you again, I'm not trying to bash MGS and MGS 3 and I know this is your list and none of what I just typed really matters to you. Just my two cents.
"
Really, I would have been just as happy had they not made the shooting better in MGS4(i haven't played it yet) since the game isn't really meant to be a shooter. Its meant to be a stealth game. Like RE5, it doesn't need to control like Gears of War(not saying that MGS4 does) to be a fun game, just because it sometimes uses weapons. I understand what you are saying though.
Posted by Milkman

I know you can't really criticize a favorite list but hey, I'll do it anyway.


Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game in the series. Why? Because it evolved. It became more Western and in turn, just a more accessible and fun game to play. The shooting, which is usually TERRIBLE in Metal Gear games, was extremely tight, while the stealth mechanics were also very improved and gratifying. For me, MGS 4 is the brilliant example of how to mesh together a compelling story line and great gameplay. Plus, it looks pretty nice too, eh?

This may have something to do with me not loving Metal Gear Solid or MGS 3. Don't get me wrong. The games are great and I definitely enjoy them immensely. The original was groundbreaking for sure, but it had its flaws. As for MGS 3, once again, great game but the gameplay and story don't mesh together nearly as well as MGS 4. But MGS 2...Now, if there is any game that deserves to share the a number five spot with another MGS game, it's that. I can't really explain why I like MGS 2 so much more than the original and MGS 3 but it just feels so much tighter. I feel it's along side MGS 4 as a game that combines these hugely technically impressive cut scenes and great gameplay to find the perfect middle ground.

And I assure you again, I'm not trying to bash MGS and MGS 3 and I know this is your list and none of what I just typed really matters to you. Just my two cents.
Posted by Cloneslayer

Word up for SotC!!!

Posted by LiquidPrince

Good choice for number 1, but I like MGS4 and MGS3 marginally better.

Posted by BoG
Why_So_Serious said:
"I'm very sorry Bug, I have loved all your Top 30 posts until your top 5! I was dissappointed to see so much love for MGS. I have played half of 1 and all of 4 and just got bored throughout them. I didn't ever get that rush feeling that people got. I completely agree with Metroid and SotN though. I'm just not a huge MGS fan."
All I have is love for MGS. It's me. And of course you're disappointed, you never finished the original, and the only one you've finished is 4. That's like judging Star Wars based on Attack of the Clones alone.
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Posted by Why_So_Serious

I'm very sorry Bug, I have loved all your Top 30 posts until your top 5! I was dissappointed to see so much love for MGS. I have played half of 1 and all of 4 and just got bored throughout them. I didn't ever get that rush feeling that people got. I completely agree with Metroid and SotN though. I'm just not a huge MGS fan.

Edited by AllThatBacon
BoG said:
"Kenshin said:
"Good fakeout. Good Top 30 list (MGS 1 is somewhere on a top whatever list I have).

Really though, I find FF7 to be just as good or "classic" (Yeah. Hmm.) as any other regular FF game. Why the hate? Because it was the one that became really popular?? Riiiight...."
I already discussed this. I don't hate the game, I think it's a good title. Neither as good nor as bad as everyone says. I just used it as a fakeout to 1. separate space between the real number and #2; and 2. I chose FFVII because it would upset wy more than an Ocarina of Time fakeout.
"
Yeah. I know. I'm just putting it out there. It seems to me like far too many people are simply hating on it so they look cool and different. Pretty silly.
Posted by Shadow



pffffffft



apfffffffffffft


All those games are gloomy and depressing.  Introduce some happiness into your life.
Posted by BoG
Kenshin said:
"Good fakeout. Good Top 30 list (MGS 1 is somewhere on a top whatever list I have).

Really though, I find FF7 to be just as good or "classic" (Yeah. Hmm.) as any other regular FF game. Why the hate? Because it was the one that became really popular?? Riiiight...."
I already discussed this. I don't hate the game, I think it's a good title. Neither as good nor as bad as everyone says. I just used it as a fakeout to 1. separate space between the real number and #2; and 2. I chose FFVII because it would upset wy more than an Ocarina of Time fakeout.
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Posted by AllThatBacon

Good fakeout. Good Top 30 list (MGS 1 is somewhere on a top whatever list I have).

Really though, I find FF7 to be just as good or "classic" (Yeah. Hmm.) as any other regular FF game. Why the hate? Because it was the one that became really popular?? Riiiight....

Posted by BoG
NinjaSquirrel said:
"Ha, Final Fantasy VII. Wasn't expectin MGS1 though...Great list man!"
Yeah, most people don't expect that. I'm surprised that more people are surprised with MGS1 than are MGS3, I though that would be the shocker.
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Posted by NinjaSquirrel

Ha, Final Fantasy VII. Wasn't expectin MGS1 though...
Great list man!

Posted by Discorsi

yeah although i probably would not place it number 1 overall.  In fact I can't rank the games I like at all.  Way too hard @.@

Posted by LuckyWanderDude

Shadow of the Colossus!

Posted by BoG
Discorsi said:
"you broke my heart BoG, you broke my heart :("
Why is that? FFVII?
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Posted by Dalai

Too much Metal Gear.  Just saying.

Posted by Discorsi

you broke my heart BoG, you broke my heart

:(

Edited by Whisperkill

wow.... Metroid is not THAT good.... but to each his own i guess..


Good top 5, except for 2

Posted by BrickRoad
BoG said:
And did anyone dollow the instructions for MGS 3? You'd better have.
Didn't need to listen to the link... I've got the Metal Gear 20th Anniversary Music Collection. What a thrill indeed.
Posted by lordofultima

Good choices, I actually thought you picked FFVII for a moment there. lulz.

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Oni said:
"Super Metroid > SotN and Prime, imo, but that's just me. And I played Super Metroid on an emulator because I never owned a SNES, sorry to say. Even then, the atmosphere, the music, the gameplay, all shone through. It's an amazing game and still the high point of the series and the genre. As to Castlevania games, my first time playing SotN was on the 360. Aria and Dawn of Sorrow are my personal favorite CVs.Oh, and Twin Snakes is fucking awful, good job not mentioning it. Terrible music, dumb new enemy placement, phoned-in voice acting, it's just terrible. An abomination. Personally, I can't decide. I loved MGS 4, but haven't done a second playthrough yet, while I normally always do a second playthrough of an MGS game right after the first. MGS4 maybe relied too much on nostalgia and stuff, I don't know, but it made me cry a bunch of times. MGS 3 is fucking amazing, though, but so is 1... it's probably between those two, for me."
I didn't play Super Metroid until I got it on WiiWare, so I had played plenty of Metroid and Castlevania games before it. That may have brought it down a little in my eyes. I still loved the game, I just played it a little too late... and with a Gamecube controller, which isn't really a great way to play the game. For me, though everything you said about Super Metroid applies to SotN and Prime, only to a higher degree. I'm getting here that our disagreements on SotN and Super Metroid are due to the fact that we each played them at the wrong times.

Also, I really hate this list right now. All this talk about Castlevania has got me itching to pop it in the old PS2. I bet I could take down the doppleganger before bed... ACH! MUST WRITE MY PAPER!
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Posted by Oni

Super Metroid > SotN and Prime, imo, but that's just me. And I played Super Metroid on an emulator because I never owned a SNES, sorry to say. Even then, the atmosphere, the music, the gameplay, all shone through. It's an amazing game and still the high point of the series and the genre. As to Castlevania games, my first time playing SotN was on the 360. Aria and Dawn of Sorrow are my personal favorite CVs.

Oh, and Twin Snakes is fucking awful, good job not mentioning it. Terrible music, dumb new enemy placement, phoned-in voice acting, it's just terrible. An abomination. Personally, I can't decide. I loved MGS 4, but haven't done a second playthrough yet, while I normally always do a second playthrough of an MGS game right after the first. MGS4 maybe relied too much on nostalgia and stuff, I don't know, but it made me cry a bunch of times. MGS 3 is fucking amazing, though, but so is 1... it's probably between those two, for me.

Posted by FCKSNAP

Great choices! Though, personally in my mind, I find MGS3 made a slightly bigger impact personally than MGS1, simply because I found the acting in MGS3 more "believable" than the rest of the series. And also it was a real heartbreaker.

Man I really would not like to make a "Top games" list any time soon, just like it would be difficult for a movie person or a music person to have a top list.

Maybe on my death bed?

Posted by GnaTSoL

Nice list. I think most of those games were great. Kinda regret not trying out Shadow of the Colossus way back when. Played a demo at first but I don't remember it ever captivating me enough to check it out more. I remember it feeling kind of barren. Its been a while, mind you.

Like you I also really enjoyed the whole metroid series. Even though I absolutely loved metroid (Super Metroid is my fav game of all time), I never really liked the, similar in gameplay, Castlevania games. I never really liked the fiction, which drew around mythological stuff. I personally found Metroid's sci-fi/futuristic elements more enjoyable.
Metroid Prime was awesome, but I never really thought it was one of the greatest games of all time. Probably all the other FPS games I was playing at the time diluted my view on the FPS-Metroid game.

When it comes to Metal Gear Solid, I've loved the whole series and believe they're all worthy of such accolades. So many memorable moments ( Like Snake's confrontation with The Sorrow and all the dead enemies you had killed in MGS3). Superb Franchise. Too bad the series has ended..... seemingly.

Posted by Gruff182

We have the same No1 sir, good choices.

Posted by turbomonkey138

Metroid prime number 2 ? Yea ok ill agree with that :)

Posted by Dj

Oh jeez, I was about to be very angry for a minute. Nice choices and an overall great list.

Posted by Claude

Well, I played all of your top five. I never liked any of the Castlevania games I played. I guess I'm a weird one. I have a love/hate relationship with Metal Gear games, having played them all except IV and not finishing any of them. Metroid is in the same boat... love and hate is a thin line. Unlike most people, I liked ICO more than Shadow of the Colossus. I've never been a big boss fan and that game was my nightmare come true. Great list, I wonder what it will look like when you're my age.

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JJOR64 said:
"God I love Symphony of the Night.  It's easily the best XBLA game out there imo."
Its certainly a must own, along with Castle Crashers, Ikargua, SSFIIHDTR, and the upcoming Virtual On
Posted by JJOR64

God I love Symphony of the Night.  It's easily the best XBLA game out there imo.

Posted by AgentJ

I totally understand BoG, as I love SOTN, but frankly I enjoyed Circle of the Moon more, then Aria and Dawn of Sorrow more than both of those, then obviously Ecclesia. (still haven't gone back and played 4 yet)

Posted by BoG

Well, I hope I'll love the next one. So far though, none have surpassed SotN in my eyes.

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Posted by prinny_god

I agree with all of them

Posted by AgentJ

Oh right, I already read that. I thought that was from another forum... My bad good sir! I totally understand, except for the part about how big the castle was. While it maybe wasnt quite as big as past castles, it was damn close. It just didn't have as much backtrackingn so it just went by really fast. Maybe you will enjoy the next one? (As i played through the game, the fact that the castle was essentially split up lost its importance to me thanks to the beautful graphics(especially outside the prison) and great gameplay mechanics)

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