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Posted by slayerofheroes

Before anyone reads this, keep in mind that these are just my opinions and since we are on that topic I really don't like the Raiden character that much. But don't confuse it with me hating the game cuz the MGS series happens to be my favorite game series. So that being said Here are my reasons on why I feel that Raiden was forced into the story for the sake of giving the character, and fans of course, closure on his story:
My first reason is, the fact that in the middle east he does not make an appearance even when you first encounter the Gekkos, which means that Snake can easily take care of them, well maybe not that easily but nonetheless take care of them, without Raiden's help.
Another reason is, the fact that the story is purely centered around Snake and people that are associated with him such as, Big Boss, Eva, Otacon, etc.
People may say that Raiden was there for one important reason which is to take care of Vamp. Which to me is not true, cuz if you think about it Snake is the one that really kills him when he injects the syringe into Vamp's neck basically taking out his immortality after that all snake had to so was shoot him and that's it. But for the sake of having Raiden there they make him come in at the time and even Raiden tells Snake to leave Vamp to him while he takes care of the Gekkos.   It could easily have been the other way around with snake finshing off Vamp and Raiden takinh care of the Gekkos like he's been doing throughout the entire game .
Another thing is that they made Raiden so damn emo and depressing. It's like at one point you're enjoying the story and the other one they're trying to make you cry by hearing how Raiden is "the lightning in the rain, the rain transformed". Or how he denies having a family when in fact he does. Like they tried to make him sort of like Snake when in fact he's nowhere close to him or snake's mental state. Especially when he gets the whole detailed story on how he was created not born.

To be here or not to be?
Basically, what I'm trying to say here is that the game could still have been better without Raiden and focused the Raiden parts into more of Snake stories. also Raiden will never be the better ninja than the one and only Gray Fox.   still though the game is incredible.        
Posted by HandsomeDead

You are completely wrong.

Posted by MetalGearSunny

I can see where you are coming from but I disagree.

Posted by CL60
@HandsomeDead said:
" You are completely wrong. "
Posted by Lydian_Sel

I don't see how omitting Raiden from the story altogether would have made it better. Despite how many fans of the MGS series dislike Raiden there is still a popular following for him & getting rid of him probably would have just increased curiousity as to what was going on with his character during that period of time. So many characters were being brought back in MGS4 that it seemed appropriate for Raiden to have some screen time especially since the purpose of the game was to have this big farewell for Snake.
Besides, wouldn't people want to see what the deal was with him after you saw Rose with Campbell??

Posted by slayerofheroes
@Lydian_Sel:  I hear what you're saying. But the whole thing about why the Campbell and rose were together and the other raiden situations could have been taking care of in MGS 5 or some other future title starring Raiden, which is basically going to be upcoming titles cuz Snake is done.
Posted by jayjac11

This was completely amateur and an attempt only to  start an argument .

Posted by Ineedaname

You revived a 10 month old thread to say that?

Edited by John1912

Yea, Raiden didnt need to be in the game, but I dont think it was worse for having him in it, unlike MGS2.  I guess I dont agree with your opinion, or reasoning.  I can go along with he was tacked on as fan service to wrap up the MGS4 universe for Kojimas "last" MSG game, but he did not seem to be forced in by any means.   If anything they could have cut the whole Meryl, and the guy who shit his pants romance rather then cut Raiden's time.