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Posted by Shadow_Drone

Yo Jeff! Had my shoes off this whole time, oh yeah.

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lishi said:
Actually there is no pratical reason to have 2 team.And really dont bother fighing enemy at strip club, you want ... [more]
There's a number of reasons to use two teams. It means you can last longer in a dungeon, meaning you can finish it quicker, meaning you have more time to do S. Links. (And some S. Links are only available after you've cleared the dungeon, so it's best to finish them as soon as possible.) Using multiple teams also means you can switch around your party to adjust to the situation. Especially useful against bosses who like to spam specific elements. Granted they won't know to adjust their party for a boss unless they lose against one, but the concept can be applied to dungeon crawling as well.

The only actual downside is your party members will be slightly lower level than they would be otherwise, but that's really not all that detrimental. I spent the whole game switching my party around and at the very end they were only a couple levels short of the MC, and could still hold their own in battle fine, on hard.

It's also just plain more entertaining to watch these videos when they mix up the parties, rather than using the same 4 characters for 100 hours straight.
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Edited by FortunesFool
You guys are probably already playing for the next episode by now if not soon and you have already read the comments but I'll say my two-cents.

It actually is beneficial to level all of the characters you have because each character is unique and there are times where some characters will be better than others especially in boss fights.  The wonderful thing about this game is that you really don't have to grind not even for the characters that haven't been in for awhile.  Just fight all the shadow on the floors you are on and you will be alright.

So in short don't just stick to the same set of people and mix and match.  Like now that Yukiko is higher than Chie and Yosuke(A Team) you could have Teddie be your healer and place either of those two in to replace Yukiko.

On last thing, Physical skills are a wonderful thing and what's so good about them is that you won't be using as much SP to defeat shadows and they are pretty powerful too.  So... Happy gaming Jeff and Vinny.
Posted by SpunkyHePanda
@Zeik: I agree they should use all the party members, but to be fair, there is another downside. More characters means more equipment to buy, and it ain't cheap.
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Posted by MightyCarrion

I have an odd feeling of deja vu watching this...

Posted by Beomoose

You guys put together the physical battle persona to use for physical battling, then in a physical battle you puss out without even using him? At least give him a spin.

Posted by Beomoose

You guys put together the physical battle persona to use for physical battling, then in a physical battle you puss out without even using him? At least give him a spin.

Posted by Eirikr

When you're knee deep in menus, just press triangle again to exit out of them completely, except on the Persona menu, where triangle dismisses Personas! Don't do that.

Posted by Pibo47

Best show ever!

Posted by Hughes

So if the episodes continue on schedule, including them skipping next week, episode 100 should fall on Friday July 3rd. Mark your calendars!

Posted by gakon

I like this back and forth of "Actually, you should have two teams... actually, you shouldn't" in the comments.

And to people who've finished the game, is Naoto useful... ever?  Light, dark, and expensive Almighty spells, sure, maybe, but would you want a whole slot in battle taken for that?  Maybe just for dungeon-crawling, but if she has no practical use in bosses (or maybe she does, I don't know), why level her at all?

Posted by Zeik
SpunkyHePanda said:
@Zeik: I agree they should use all the party members, but to be fair, there is another downside. More characters ... [more]
I guess that's true, but money is pretty abundant in this game, it's really not too hard to outfit all your characters with decent equipment. You might have to hold out on getting top of the line equipment for everyone, but that's not always necessary anyway.
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Posted by Gravatix

I actually found that Chie ended up being on the scrub team eventually when I played.  Teddie gained cooler spells and gained his ice spells way faster.  Kanji was on the scrub team too though, he just didn't have big enough sp's, if you know what I'm sayin'.

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gakon5 said:
And to people who've finished the game, is ___ useful... ever?  Light, dark, and expensive Almighty spells, sure, maybe, but would you want a whole slot in battle taken for that?  Maybe just for dungeon-crawling, but if she has no practical use in bosses (or maybe she does, I don't know), why level her at all? "
You probably could have avoided that spoiler, but oh well. She does have her uses. She's a great dungeon crawl party member, as her instant death spells can make quick work of enemies, and even the almighty spells have their uses. She's much more useful if you can get her the accessory that halves SP cost, but on the plus you can get that as soon as you clear the dungeon following the one where you get her, if you defeat the optional boss there.

Her uses during boss battles are limited, but she can do okay. She has no weakness, which is handy, her physical attacks are decent, and with the half SP accessory she can utilize Megido spells fairly efficiently. In most cases you're probably better of with another character during bosses, but bosses aren't the only thing you need to worry about, efficiently exploring is just as important as efficiently taking down a boss.
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Posted by KanjiTatsumi
@Gravatix: W-what the hell?!  What are you tryin' to say huh?!  And my nose isn't bleedin'!
Posted by endaround

The big reason why she can be useful is mind charge and no weaknesses.  It'd be better if she had another spell to match with mind charge that isn't as costly as Megido, but them's the breaks.  It all depends if you want to spend time making sure to cover up Teddie's and Yukiko's weaknesses.

Posted by gakon

It's hardly a spoiler; they don't even know who that is.

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gakon5 said:
It's hardly a spoiler; they don't even know who that is.
They've met her a couple times already in the game. They may not remember, but they probably will when she shows up again very soon. Plus other people may be playing this right now too.

@endaround: 
Man, I completely forgot she has Mind Charge. That's definitely useful in conjunction with Megido spells.
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Posted by Renegade

Kanji is awesome.....PERSONAAAAA!!

Seriously, use him more!

Posted by King9999

Here are some tips for Jeff and Vinny:

1.   Start using instant death magic more.  You'll soon be approaching a point where you're gonna want to use it.  Those beetles you encountered are weak against Darkness, I think.  You definitely don't want to be prolonging that battle.  Also, make sure you carry at least one Persona that can protect Charlie from instant death.

2.  Try to get some more Chest Keys.  You can get some good stuff in the Void Quest dungeon, including Blessed Hands, which powers up your healing ability.

3.  Try using the L1 button more.  With it, you can see the turn order.

4.   When faced with the decision to give up spells, there's no point in keeping both weak and medium attack magic.  Just drop the weak spell.

5.  Between Chie and Teddie, Teddie is superior when it comes to ice magic.  At this point in the game, only use Chie if you intend to use physical skills.

6.  I don't know if you got the message from a few of us, but don't go to the strip club unless it's for a quest or if you're going to fight the extra boss.  For the latter, just get to the top floor and don't waste time exploring/fighting weak enemies.  You have the Void Quest for grinding.

Posted by HooliganTuesday
Zeik said:
gakon5 said: And to people who've finished the game, is ___ useful... ever?  Light, dark, and expensive Almighty spells, sure, ... [more]

Dude, she's a spunky murder investigating teenager who gets a voice actor, appears multiple times in the storyline and gets multiple portraits, if you aren't smart enough to work out that Naoto is going to be joining the team at some point you probably aren't smart enough to safely operate scissors.
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@HooliganTuesday:

Well no offense to Vinny and Jeff, but I don't think they've actually figured it out. <_<
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Posted by PencilBastard

I don't know how I feel about having someone in the party that doesn't wear glasses....


But I LOVE the Coconut-alufagus
Posted by Mistral
Zeik said:
SpunkyHePanda said: @Zeik: I agree they should use all the party members, but to be fair, there is another downside. ... [more]

Buying new equipment is almost completely unnecessary, period. The only real reason to buy new equipment is if you see something that clearly has a better secondary effect than whatever you're currently using, or if there's a huge gap between your current and new equipment and their effects are equally useful. If the guys would do the quests/pet the fox/fish to trade for/otherwise get Chest Keys, they'd get plenty of armor from golden chests to avoid having to buy armor(same goes for accessories; the ones Daidara sells are mostly useless compared to golden chest accessories anyway). As for weapons...the free ones from the bonus bosses are all fairly useful(especially Yosuke's and Yukiko's, since +SP>any other effect in the game), but if they're up for replacement, the *only* thing that should be looked at is the added effects(how often do the guys use regular attacks? Not very often, even taking into account that they stubbornly ignore physical skills).
Posted by GoodKn1ght

yo what you guys could do is put yosku in instead of yukiko and just use teddy as the main healer then you can stay with pyro jack and be the fire person and invigorate all the time so you don't run out of sp as fast

Posted by Zeik
@Mistral:
In the case of weapons that's pretty much true, in the case of armor though defense is often more beneficial than the secondary effects. (Unless it's a really good secondary effect.)
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Posted by AkasoFailsOnGiantBomb

So, it sounds like you guys aren't going to use Kanji very often.

Dang. At least Teddie's working out moderately OK.

Posted by gkozma

i think the music is much better in this dungeon than all the others has anyone else noticed that lol?

Posted by PatrioticPuppy

Great episode, guys! ^_^ It's so looong~  And seeing Team B makes me happy, though you should have kept in Yosuke.  Yukiko's only features (in your party) are Diarama, Media, and her fire spells.  Yosuke has Diarama now, and he also has wind.  It would have saved you a great deal of SP by having Pyro Jack for fire/Invigorate, and use Yosuke for Magaru.

Also, I believe in this dungeon, the beetles reflect everything but physical/Almighty....(not sure about Light/Dark cause I never use it XD)  Which then leads me to a point many have already argued: WHY DON'T YOU USE PHYSICAL ATTACKS?!  They are WAY more likely to land a critical hit, they do more damage, and all it costs is a fraction of your HP.  It would cut down a great deal of effort to defeat enemies, and it would save a lot of your SP in the long run.

And I agree with a few of the other people on here: DON'T go to the strip club for grinding.  Just go straight for the stairs to the extra boss (for Teddie's weapon) and save your SP for the Void Quest.

By the way: Chapter 7 is a trap, and circle is your friend. :3

Edited by Zeik
@PatrioticPuppy:

Actually physical attacks are the only way to do critical hits. Magic will never do critical damage.
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Edited by Curufinwe
King9999 said:
Here are some tips for Jeff and Vinny:1.   Start using instant death magic more.  You'll soon be approaching a point ... [more]
You mean use R1 to see the turn order.
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gakon5 said:
It's hardly a spoiler; they don't even know who that is.

Anything important that's hasn't happened yet in the ER is a spoiler.
Posted by endaround

If they just rush to the top of the club they'll never run into the other party members, and that means missing out on the best dialogs and greatest usable items in the game

Posted by AgentSmith

so does anyone know where i can download these videos so i can watch them on my zune?

Posted by trimon

Guys use Tentarafoo!!! It would've confused all the beatles!!!!


And use all death spells!!!
Posted by SM2099

Guys if you can .. stay with either Kanji or Teddie in the A team... or somehow keep using the B team... I feal the B team has more personality then the other team.

Posted by Rincy
@Lustreplush: Persona 4 actually takes place in 2011. I think.
Posted by Aaox

Nobody can hate Rise for long. Not even Jeff.

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Posted by RabidSquirrel89

I'm placing my bets that they'll wipe on this dungeon's boss on the first try. Just throwin' that out there. It took me a few tries, but then again I was playing this on expert. Which, I'd like to say I'm glad Jeff and Vinny picked to play this on normal. They'd be dying a lot on expert.

Posted by Red

First level on Social Link is mortal blow taking.

Posted by Lustreplush
@Rincy: No doubt, but I was talking about Persona 3, which started April 7, 2009.
Posted by Afroman269

Jeff and Vinny are awesome for the whole why so serious segment. Seriously it gets old after the 1000 time

Posted by flamingbananas

now when chie lvs up you get rid of her ice skills for phys skill. her phys is the best!!!
teddy is your go to ice man!

Posted by Gamer_152

Where were you when Jeff took his shoes off.

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Posted by ChibiSoma

1) Kanji and Teddie were takin' hits because you guys REALLY need better armor. And weapons. Weapons are less important but for a physical attacker like Kanji (his magic stat is garbage) it's kinda needed.
2) Until Konohana Sakuya levels a fair bit more and nabs it herself, Teddie's the superior healer. Only needing one Mediarama vs blowing a lot of SP on lesser stuff = good.
3) Oh god level a lot. The boss is demonic...
4) No seriously, level a lot. I was 40 and I had a fight that lasted well over an hour and, had this not been my first time playing it (I was on Beginner, thus I had 10 'rez you if you die' items) I woulda hadta redo the whole thing after like 50 minutes.
5) Gotta pay more attention to your skills, guys. This is painful to watch. Optimally? You have a spread that knows a little of everything. One guy primarily for healing, one with the Hamas and Mudos (because if an enemy is weak to either, those are instant deaths, no questions asked), and one of each element. And... please, for the love of grannie smith, ya gotta stop NOT overwriting weak spells with their better versions. There's no reason to have Garu and Garula on Yosuke...

Anyway, that's all I got for now. You manky hobos drove me to buy the game, and I've passed by where you are finally. One dungeon ahead, roughly. I really hope Shadow Mitsuo doesn't eat you alive, because if the Endurance Run ever hits a part where I'd worry you'll give up, it's there. There's some funny stuff beyond it and the next dungeon/boss is fun as hell. Good luck, gentlemen.

Posted by strangeling

Go Vinny, Go!

Posted by Media_Master

He's still going

Posted by Xymox

13:27 ("He's so on my enemies list!") -- I have to say I was pleasantly surprised when I hopped over to Rises character page here on gb and noticed someone had added Mitsuo to Rises enemies list. That's awesome.  :>    

Posted by RandomInternetUser

I love Teddie.

Posted by ThePantheon

kanji is persona 's BRUCIE

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