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@Zeik: 

Overgrinding in a previous dungeon also reduces the size of the shadows on the next dungeon, which allows them to hit the shadows from behind. And higher endurance from overgrinding means less damage and less healing neccesary ,less SP reduction rate to be refilled by the Fox. They used Vanish Ball the first time they encounter the babies, and after they leveled up several time, they were able to take less damage from mind slice , thus higher winning chance, not because of Tentarafoo garbage.
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@RampageEndsHere: I am not denying that leveling up makes the game easier. Of course it does. What I'm saying is that overleveling is unnecessary. There are more efficient ways of proceeding through the game than spending hours grinding up your levels to the point where enemies are a cakewalk and you don't need to think anymore.
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@Zeik:

Well i wouldnt equip Lucifer against an enemy that can cast the spell Hamaon because he is weak to Light, so one still has to think, regardless level.Although he will learn Repel Light at the end.
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Posted by Eros

As per usual from the ER, they are at a higher level than me at this point and I did not grind at all before facing the boss. Leveling up to 56 or even to 45 would be a waste of time. My Black Frost did have Agidyne though and I suggest grinding for that. Mediarama couldn't hurt either, but if I remember this boss correctly I ended up mostly using Diarama anyway (until near the end.)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a challenge in RPG, leveling to 56 would make this so boring to watch, no fear of the enemies everything would be too easy.

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@RampageEndsHere:  Yes, but you have to think much less. In fact, you really wouldn't even have to worry about weaknesses if you're that overleveled, as you'd be able to kill the enemies before they ever got to do anything. Even I often had Persona's equipped later in the game that had exploitable weaknesses when I knew I was strong enough to defeat the enemy before they could attack.
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Posted by endaround
P4 requires no grinding and given how fast EXP scales actively discourages it.  Run through each dungeon twice like the game strongly encourages and things are fine.  Jeff and Vinny have problems because they they never fully explore the tough upper level of the dungeons and never do the second run when they should, before the next victim.  Mostly that's because they wait until the last moment to finish a dungeon and don't feel like going back in right away.   Its why they haven't been able to upgrade armor in a while and why they are close to broke.
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Posted by DVB
@allhailthetv said:
" @RampageEndsHere: Isn't Tam Lin level 52?! That's a good 7 levels higher than you need to be for the boss! "
Tam lin is a keeper, one of the best to use for levelling. Im still using it at lv 76, its lv 67 but the auto buffs are great.Switching between this and trumpetier after each battle is a major pain though.

Finished this quest at lv 47 with ease. They just need a few good fusions, too lazy to go into the auto buff skills but hanuman at lv 42 is a great start.
This tip seems like it'll save you infinite time and one of the most frustrating aspects in this game.When changing personas in the menu, select it with X,cancel once with O then hit TRIANGLE to full exit the menu quicker.

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Posted by Winternet
@RampageEndsHere: and @Zeik:

Endurance Run is more than just two guys playing Persona 4. Apart from playing the game, everything else they do in ED(comments, jokes, reactions, etc..) is what really stands out in ED. Doing a 10 level grinding would do wonders for the game but wouldn't benefit the Endurance Run at all. They have to achieve a balance between the gameplay and everything else. And I believe they're doing a fantastic job on achieving that balance (89 episodes and not a single bad or even boring one, at least for me).

Said that, great episode guys. I would hope that tomorrow's episode would be the boss battle, but something tells me you will leave that for next week. Nevertheless, you're on the right track.

Keep them coming!
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Posted by oasisbeyond

This game is so fucking long, finish it already!!!! geez

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@oasisbeyond said:
" This game is so fucking long, finish it already!!!! geez "
They've still got quite awhile  to go. :)

@Winternet:  That's kind of my point. (Well part of it anyway.) Not only would overleveling be an unnecessary  waste of time from a gameplay standpoint, but no one is going to want to watch them spend the next couple weeks of endurance runs tediously grinding for exp in this damn dungeon. I highly doubt Vinny and Jeff would enjoy that either. (In fact I would fully expect them to given up on the game if that was ever necessary.)
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Posted by DVB
@Winternet said:
" @RampageEndsHere: and @Zeik: Endurance Run is more than just two guys playing Persona 4. Apart from playing the game, everything else they do in ED(comments, jokes, reactions, etc..) is what really stands out in ED. Doing a 10 level grinding would do wonders for the game but wouldn't benefit the Endurance Run at all. They have to achieve a balance between the gameplay and everything else. And I believe they're doing a fantastic job on achieving that balance (89 episodes and not a single bad or even boring one, at least for me).Said that, great episode guys. I would hope that tomorrow's episode would be the boss battle, but something tells me you will leave that for next week. Nevertheless, you're on the right track.Keep them coming! "
86/87 might of won the boring awards.Theres like 40 hours of gameplay left, expect the fun to last till ep 250 at this pace.Haven't seen them actually dodge a mob ever, not sure if they know you can just run past them.
Please don't die, watching repeats are painful.
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Posted by fobo98

Watching this video has inspired me to go back and play Persona 3.

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Posted by Reverseface

THat conversaion about the boom box really made me laugh. xD

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Posted by John1912

"89 episodes and not a single bad or even boring one"

Ive yet to watch one that I enjoyed, and it usually makes me feel like a complete nerd as I dont understand half the jargen they are talking about in the game, but I know if it were FF Id be completly in the loop.

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@John1912: You've watched all 89 episodes and didn't enjoy a single one? Why...?
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Posted by TobyD81

-Crackers are good anytime.
-Why you gotta be racist?

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Posted by Gamer_152

The suspense is killing me, I can't wait to see them take on the boss.

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Posted by GodPlaysNintendo

Dude, I totally had that cassette when I was a kid... the soundtrack for the movie Cocktail.  I must have listened to "Kokomo" 1,000 times because of it.

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Posted by SpunkyHePanda
@John1912: You don't have to watch them, you know. There's not gonna be a quiz later.
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Posted by gakon

I doubt they'd do it at this point, but if they could get Teddie to the low 40's in level, I'd venture to argue that, for them, he's a better choice than Chie for this fight.  He has the extra healing, Matarukaja, and I'm afraid they would have Chie using Bufula instead of Black Spot, considering their reluctance to use physical skills.  Teddie has Ice Boost, and probably a higher growth to Magic than Chie, making him a better choice for magic spells.

BUT, if either of you bro's are reading this, be sure to use Chie's physical skills!  She learned the last of her ice skills with Bufula, and will not get Mabufula, Bufudyne, or any ice-enhancing spells.  Kanji is in a similar boat, but he gets a full range of Lightning spells, with Ziodyne and Elec Amp.

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Posted by JackiJinx

Lyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyrrrrrrrrrricssssssss SPAMSM!

Aruba, Jamacia, oooooh I wanna take ya
To Bermuda, Bahama, cooooome on pretty mama
Key Largo, Montigo, baaaaaaaby why don't we go
Jamacia
Off the Florida Keeeeeeeys
There's a place called Kokomo
That's wheeeeere you wanna go to get away from it alllll.

Bodies in the sand (DEAD BODIES!)
Tropical drinks melting in your hand
We'll be falling in love
To the rhythm of a steel drum baaaaand
Down in Kokomo (AKA SOME PATALOONS)

Aruba, Jamacia, oooooh I wanna take ya
To Bermuda, Bahama, cooooome on pretty mama
Key Largo, Montigo, baaaaaaaby why don't we go

Ohhh I wanna take you down to Kokomo (less witnesses)
We'll get there fast and then we'll take it sloooow
Way down in Kokomo

To Martinique, that Monseratt Mystique

And que sera sera. Kermit can tell the rest.

  

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Posted by triplestan

I  dont own Persona 4, so i'm going to correct you in the only field I specialize in.


"Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama. 
 To Key Largo, Montego, baby why dont we go?
 Down to Kokomo, get there fast and then we take it slow.
 Thats where I wanna go, way down to Kokomo." 
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Posted by FlappyHands

Hehe, another great episode. Grinding to get Black Frost up to 43 would be a great idea, and Yukiko will get Mediarama along the way, like others have said. Looking forward to the next episode.

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Posted by Renegade

Forgot to mention earlier, Skate or Die reference for the win Vinny! That was an awesome game.

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Posted by Venatio

Great episode as always, I cant wait for the next one, lso, there is little time left to save the kid

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Posted by SonicFire

Really...there's no reason for them to grind they you reach the final, final dungeon (which I doubt they actually will unlock), because everything scales so rapidly. It's just diminishing returns. That said, for everyone thinking they are anywhere close to the end of the game, you're very, very wrong.


On the positive side, the best dialogue in the game comes in the latter half. So they're going to have a field day once they reach the marathon S.Link stuff in between the 5th and 6th dungeons.
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Posted by allhailthetv

As far as I can tell, All-out attacks deal Almighty Damage, a basically neutral damage type. Some enemies are strong against it, which is why it may deal less damage.

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Posted by strangeling

Go Vinny, Go!

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Posted by Chokobo

"TRY SOME SONIC PUNCH!"  I howled with laughter.

Online
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Posted by Media_Master

nice episode

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Posted by Xymox

Aruba, jamaica, ooo I wanna take ya

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Edited by CharAznable

26:40, Vinny heals up the party. I love the brief hesitation before saying "I love you" and filling Yukiko all the way.
 
Ghetto blaster bumpin' "Kokomo." All day.

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Posted by Blueblur1

More leveling. Meh. And Vinny continues to waste SP by using nothing but Diarama. >:(

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Posted by IrishCoffee
@JackiJinx: Thanks for the lyrics and epic Muppet video. That was stuck in my head something fierce after that last ER
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Posted by Urmean

PAZUZUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Posted by kerse

I like how almost every enemy they fight here is the babies, I fought them like twice total on my playthrough.

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Posted by kollay

"POW block, anyone?"


Too fitting in this dungeon.
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Posted by Gerhabio

Pazuzu!!

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Posted by ShadowKing7

"I'm Pazuzu!  Check me out on Saturday mornings as part of the 4Kids action block!" 
 
Man, that was way funnier than it probably should be.
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Posted by mrbubbles

awesome thief reference is awesome.

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Posted by LikeaSsur

Watching them Mind Charge for the tank battle made me cringe.

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Posted by Pop

I wish I could of told them back then to use a persona that is strong against physical then the babies would be a walk in the park.

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Posted by ZosoZep

Almost done archiving all the endurance runs that matter. I finished downloading all of dp and now i am almost 2/3s done with this. Keep this train going!