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Posted by ArbitraryWater

"I see you have got pretty good nailing dudes from behind"
I would buy that shirt.

Posted by Jeremy_x
@PosableActionFigure said:
"@Zalasta said:
" @PosableActionFigure said:
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DON'T GET RID OF YOUR BLACK FROST JUST BECAUSE IT'S LEARNED ALL IT'S SPELLS

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I would, there are much better spells to learn than what Black Frost has currently.  Once a Persona has learn all of its abilities, it becomes outdated quickly unless they are the endgame ones. "
They aren't getting a Fire Amp, Agidyne, Mind Charge, Drain two elements, no weaknesses persona any time soon. They are only 4 levels higher, ditching it now is stupid."

THIS TEN TIMES!
Posted by drew327

If you are low on SP, I'm pretty sure Upright Death puts your HP to 1, SP to full, and kicks you out.  So you can heal up pretty cheap and jump back in on the same floor.

So Death isn't the Worst thing ever :)  Just wouldn't use it when your SP is already decent.

Edited by safelybeds
@drew327 said:
" If you are low on SP, I'm pretty sure Upright Death puts your HP to 1, SP to full, and kicks you out.  So you can heal up pretty cheap and jump back in on the same floor.So Death isn't the Worst thing ever :)  Just wouldn't use it when your SP is already decent. "
I actually prefer Death to Judgment. It warps you out, which means a chance to save. And it's not like it reshuffles the levels (which I think Vinny and Jeff still think it does!), so you can just head back in where you left off completely charged up with a fresh save under your belt.
Posted by Vinny
@papercut said:
" whats with the giant 103? "
Just testing out ways for folks watching on the iphone app to see the episode number since it can get cutoff.
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Posted by xDot

Have they ever got a fusion accident ? It'll be hilarious when it finally happens.

And Vinny stop taking so damn long to hit the enemies, you guys are pretty strong now you don't need to take 10 minutes waiting for them to turn around.

Posted by MeatSim

You guys hate fusing with a passion, also spinning tanks with faces are freaky.

Edited by PlasticCow

I assume they put the ''103'' watermark on so you could tell the episodes apart w/ the iPhone app. Just a guess though.

Posted by kagekage

they say that tentarafoo sucks and they keep skull cracker?
wow no offense jeff and vinny but u guys can be MORONS sometimes

Posted by Carlos1408

Judgement!!!!

Posted by sanjuro87

i hope the boss at the end of this dungeon is a metal gear

Posted by Gangway

Ok, the crazy guy with the claws ALREADY has repeal physical, look at the weakness bar and you will see that, why it is going to learn it and waste a slot is beyond me.

So please, if you learn it, discard it asap.

Thank You

Posted by Curufinwe
@xDot said:
" Have they ever got a fusion accident ?"
No, it's pretty amazing that it hasn't happened yet.
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Posted by Eirikr

Good job today guys but DON'T FORGET how important it is for Rangda to learn Repel Physical so that subsequent Personas can inherit it.

Posted by Alphazero
@kagekage said:
" they say that tentarafoo sucks and they keep skull cracker?wow no offense jeff and vinny but u guys can be MORONS sometimes "

I'm not sure that the "no offense" offsets the calling them morons.

On the plus side, you've gotten really good at nailing dudes from behind.
Edited by RampageEndsHere

Anyone who suggested to ditch Repel Physical because Rangda already has the corresponding characteristics is a blithering idiot. Characteristics can't be passed down to the next Persona. Passive skills can.

Posted by ToxicFruit

LOL " you are getting pretty good nailing guys from behind"

Posted by Terjay

Hey duders, you should really write up those arcana card effects somewhere. iPhone, pen and paper...

Posted by Grimi

The last few endurance runs have cut out about half way through and ended for no reason and when i try to skip past that part it just takes me to the related videos screen.

Posted by Guerrilla_Mason
@Vinny: Thanks a ton for doing this. Gonna be super helpful. Are you guys gonna go back and do this to the rest of the episodes?
Posted by Curufinwe
@RampageEndsHere said:
" Anyone who suggested to ditch Repel Physical because Rangda already has the corresponding characteristics is a blithering idiot. Characteristics can't be passed down to the next Persona. Passive skills can. "
Great point.  And I don't think they need to keep Tarukaja - Chie has that.
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Posted by Sarumarine
@Mikl said:
"@Winternet said:
"@Sarumarine said:
" Yay! Crazy Tanks! They're my favorite enemy in the game because they're hilarious. They look so confused. Good job on the Judgement card, if you can get it upright, it's the best card in the game. "
What happens if it gets downright?Great episode today. The shadows don't seem too difficult for the first day on the dungeon. Waiting for tomorrow's..."
There's this handy site you should visit
http://www.giantbomb.com/guides/persona-4-arcana-chance-quick-reference/1178/ "

Downright means SP becomes 1, like it says on that handy chart. Ideally you get the Judgement card when you're low, so you have nothing to lose.
Edited by legendary1
" Pretty good at nailing dudes from behind."
Sold

Regular mudo/hama are pretty bad as far as SP conserveration is concerned. No reason at all to use them even against enemies weak to it if you can do AoE spells/attacks that take off 50% of their health already.

mahamoan/mamudoon and Die for Me!/samsara (the ultimate spells) work wonderfully though. I don't know the exact percentages, but against enemies with no resistance to dark/light the mahamoan level + boost seems to kill about 1/2 to 1/3rd of the enemies, where the ultimate level ones seem to work about 80/90% of the time.
Posted by Steelion

Rangda is mildly terrifying.

Posted by Beomoose

Vinny, stop faffing about and go wack them.

Posted by Beomoose

Use some phsyical powers, maybe? Rather than just kick?

Edited by mysteriousfox

To the guy saying discard the repel physical skill, you sir are CRAZY. They're getting repel physical as an inheritable stat, which sounds pretty damn useful to me. Set up Repel Phys and invigorate 2 on some weird-ass persona with a bundle of element-nulls, and suddenly Charlie Tunoku is a nigh-invincible tank. Sure, the odds of that happening are slim, because fusing is needlessly complicated. But hey, there's a chance. 


Also, and I don't know if this has already come up, but has anyone else noticed a theme in the names of Investigation Team Personas? Specifically, the fact that it's the character cast of Okami (or really, just legendary figures from Japanese folklore)? Konohona Sakura was the Cherry Blossom Spirit in the first town, Susano-O  was the drunken swordmaster, and in persona 3, when you used shrine to Amaterasu (the main character in Okami, and sun goddess of myth), it answered with a yip. That shrine happened to look a whole hell of a lot like fox's shrine. Just some food for thought. (There was also a multi headed dragon persona named Orochi a while back, but he's not a permanent persona, so whatever.) 


Oh, and *yip*, I guess.

Edited by legendary1

BTW, I just remembered an excellent fusion you can do now. Take Setanta (level 34 Emperor), have him learn Auto-Maraku. Fuse him with Hanuman (level 42 Strength) to get Hitoko-nushi. Have him learn Auto-Masuku. Fuse him with Mot (level 46 death) to get Narasimha who learns Auto-Mataru. As long as you have him equipped with these skills, you will now start every battle with everyone in your party under the effects of tarukaja/rakukaja/sukukaja for 3 turns. If you don't want to screw around in fusion that long, auto-mataru is awesome enough.

Posted by RedRoach

SOMEONE HELP........... due to power outages, i have only seen the first half of today's ER, and don't feel like reloading the video AGAIN just to see some fights. So can anyone tell me if anything important happens, like a story scene. Don't tell me what it is, just tell me if i need to watch the video.

Edited by legendary1
@Jason_Bourne said:
" SOMEONE HELP........... due to power outages, i have only seen the first half of today's ER, and don't feel like reloading the video AGAIN just to see some fights. So can anyone tell me if anything important happens, like a story scene. Don't tell me what it is, just tell me if i need to watch the video. "
Nothing unless you count the 2/3 lines of dialog each level they go down through the dungeon, just a little bit of foreshadowing/repeating whats already known. They picked up a Homonculus from a random chest that will give them a get out of jail free card against 1 instant kill light/dark spell.
Posted by GrandpaStu

FYI. HAL-9000 is watching you through every door you take.

Posted by AaronP

VINNYYY MANNN!! your forgetting to register persona's. You didn't register Yatagarasu (crow thing) and fused him, so will probably never pick that card again as you think you have it already.

You did fuse to make him once but died right after before you had chance to save.

Oh well this has now made me determined to get Persona 4 tomorrow. I think i like the game a little too much and am letting you guys play it for me.

Posted by df

pick the card faster, or they will keep getting harder to track.

Posted by lishi

You guys might want do some fishing this month.


Only for september you can trade a Haikara Shirt for some fish i don't remember.

That thing will give you  +50% xp gain. 
Posted by AbsoluteApathy
@Sarumarine said:
Downright means SP becomes 1, like it says on that handy chart. Ideally you get the Judgement card when you're low, so you have nothing to lose. "

I'm fairly certain reverse Judgement halves the partys sp, not reducing it to 1.
Posted by Undeadpool
@FluxWaveZ:
I've been wondering that myself.
I get Power Charge, you only use half the HP you normally would, but mind charge seems useless until you get up to the Dynes when spells cost more than 15 SP
Posted by artofwar420

They could have kept going, but oh well. TENTAROOFOOOL. Can't wait for tomorrow.

Posted by Dethfish

I've been playing P4 for about 20 hours and I've noticed that Jeff and Vinny play the dungeons way different than me, which is weird because I figured I'd play it exactly the same as them after watching them play for so long.

For one thing I run right at the shawdows everytime. I hardly ever get the advantage but I don't waste time waiting for them to turn around. I also use Chie different. I was using her magic but then I noticed how awesome stuff like Rampage was and ever since then I hardly use ice spells unless I have to. They're also way better at bosses than me. How many times all together have they died agaisnt bosses? I just got done with Kanji's boss and I'm already up to 5 deaths. I don't know why, I'm higher leveled than they were but I usually get my ass kicked. Maybe I'm to impatient or something.

Posted by Reverseface

mad wind yo

Posted by marchismo
@mysteriousfox said:

Also, and I don't know if this has already come up, but has anyone else noticed a theme in the names of Investigation Team Personas? Specifically, the fact that it's the character cast of Okami (or really, just legendary figures from Japanese folklore)? Konohona Sakura was the Cherry Blossom Spirit in the first town, Susano-O  was the drunken swordmaster, and in persona 3, when you used shrine to Amaterasu (the main character in Okami, and sun goddess of myth), it answered with a yip. That shrine happened to look a whole hell of a lot like fox's shrine. Just some food for thought. (There was also a multi headed dragon persona named Orochi a while back, but he's not a permanent persona, so whatever.) 

This.  Both games, as well as many other Japanese RPGs, mine heavily from the same stock of Japanese mythological figures.  Shadow Hearts: Covenant is another example.
Posted by skywing

i really like vinnys singing its kinda funny

Posted by Konanda

Incase someone hasn't said already homunculus is a one time use item.

Posted by Mistral
@Undeadpool said:
"@FluxWaveZ: I've been wondering that myself.I get Power Charge, you only use half the HP you normally would, but mind charge seems useless until you get up to the Dynes when spells cost more than 15 SP "

The Charge spells techincally boost damage by 2.5x instead of 2x, so if you're fighting a boss then Mind Charge is pretty useful, especially in combination with the usual array of stat ups/downs(although I generally find mind/power charging and stat altering to be a waste of time in regular battles).
Posted by ashogo
@AbsoluteApathy said:
" @Sarumarine said:
Downright means SP becomes 1, like it says on that handy chart. Ideally you get the Judgement card when you're low, so you have nothing to lose. "
I'm fairly certain reverse Judgement halves the partys sp, not reducing it to 1. "
This is correct; it's halved.
Posted by Undeadpool

@Mistral:

So I see, but it still seems a little pricey at that.

Posted by ChibiSoma

@Jeff&Vinny

http://nicosound.anyap.info/sound/nm6889238 Check this out. Someone on Niconico Douga, the Japanese version of Youtube, put together clips from the English version of P4 where it's basically just the voice actors yelling their Personas' names. This translates to Johnny Yong Bosch just screaming silly shit for 3 minutes. It has the other party members at the end, but JYB's are the best.

You can download the clip as an mp3 by going to the box below the player and clicking the right of the two options.

IPPON-DATARA.

Posted by SaraHysaro

Another great episode! I have to wonder what a Humonculus in this game looks like. I agree with Jeff's "ew" comment about the idea of it, based on what I think it looks like. xD

Anyway, I hope they chose to stay in the TV world and continue in the dungeon. I mean, it would be a massive waste of SP if they don't, and the farther they get the less in-game days it'll take to save Naoto.

Posted by SM2099

Great episode.. but dudes really buy Yukiko and Yosuke a more powerful weapon it would really help you out in this situation since you sometimes don't know what the new enemies weakness could be.. also seing Yousuke and Yukiko attack in comparison to Charlie and Chie is quite depressing. You got the money, you gotta spend money to make money... or so Im told.

Cheers!

Posted by amino
@lishi said:
" You guys might want do some fishing this month.

Only for september you can trade a Haikara Shirt for some fish i don't remember.

That thing will give you  +50% xp gain. 
"
You need a Guardian fish to get Haikara Shirt but in order to catch Guardian your social link with fox must be Rank 9.
Posted by Eirikr

Just another reminder to make sure Rangda learns and keeps Repel Physical to pass on to other personas! It's a crucial step to make the game eat out of your hand and extend the amount of time you can spend inside the TV.

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