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Posted by LordAndrew
@Mikl said:
" @FluxWaveZ: He's also 20 levels behind everyone else. "
He can catch up quickly, especially if they bring him into Heaven.
Posted by Senshaitian
@ZephyrAtraides said:
" Someone ought to post a guide for getting the true ending, just in case people want to read it "
You can find out how to get the true ending if you look up Persona 4 on here and look for the endings link. It is really easy to get in this one versus P3. You don't have to go through a second playthrough to accomplish it.
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@Mikl said:
"@FluxWaveZ: He's also 20 levels behind everyone else. "

Yeah, but it's still good when you want to knock down enemies of either the fire or the ice element because you're not worried of taking damage and you can go for an all-out attack to finish it off.  But Tam Lin would be better and yes, Black Frost is pretty weak now for basic attacking.
Posted by Eirikr
@LordAndrew: They used Power Charge on bosses, which it's made for. Should be best to keep Chie level with the rest and to just use the standard team they seem comfortable with.
Posted by legendary1

Character level increases damage, but Persona level doesn't matter for damage other then that higher level = higher stats (and black frost has a huge magic stat even with his lower level). So its fine using him still, though fusing the black frost's skills into something better that learns more stuff would be optimal.

Posted by FluxWaveZ
@legendary1 said:
"Character level increases damage, but Persona level doesn't matter for damage other then that higher level = higher stats (and black frost has a huge magic stat even with his lower level). So its fine using him still, though fusing the black frost's skills into something better that learns more stuff would be optimal."

I thought character level = amount of SP/HP and the Persona strength stat determines physical attack damage and the Persona Magic stat determines the damage of a magic skill.
Posted by Hoshnasi

When i was watched yesturdays episode and Charlie was at the police station I was thinking "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, put your hand in the damn TV!!!!"

Posted by gakon

Did you guys not notice the two physicals Naoto has?  You need to start using those more to save mana.  That goes for Charlie and Chie as well, and Yosuke when he learns Brave Blade.

Posted by Eirikr
@legendary1 said:
" Character level increases damage, but Persona level doesn't matter for damage other then that higher level = higher stats (and black frost has a huge magic stat even with his lower level). So its fine using him still, though fusing the black frost's skills into something better that learns more stuff would be optimal. "
I admit I haven't tested it in P4, but in Nocturne, P3, and even in Devil Survivor, demon/persona base level did affect overall effectiveness. I don't see why this would change in P4. It would only be a matter of about 50 damage, 100 at a max, but still worth mentioning.
Edited by legendary1
@FluxWaveZ said:
" @legendary1 said:
"Character level increases damage, but Persona level doesn't matter for damage other then that higher level = higher stats (and black frost has a huge magic stat even with his lower level). So its fine using him still, though fusing the black frost's skills into something better that learns more stuff would be optimal."
I thought character level = amount of SP/HP and the Persona strength stat determines physical attack damage and the Persona Magic stat determines the damage of a magic skill. "
Correct, but character level also increases overall damage dealt and decreases damage taken. Character level is generally FAR more important then persona stats, weapon stats or armor stats. For example, at the endgame my yukiko had 99 magic and yet only does about 10-15% more damage with spells then Yosuke does with 60-something magic. Also, at level 99 removing super-awesome 350 defense armor and replacing it with the game starting chainmail at 34 armor only causes me to take about 30% more damage. You can honestly go through the whole game not worrying about persona stats or levels, just get good skills and resistances. At this point in the game if they cared to take half an hour fusing they could make a persona that was immune to every element in the game and just solo the rest.

@Eirikr said:
" @legendary1 said:
" Character level increases damage, but Persona level doesn't matter for damage other then that higher level = higher stats (and black frost has a huge magic stat even with his lower level). So its fine using him still, though fusing the black frost's skills into something better that learns more stuff would be optimal. "
I admit I haven't tested it in P4, but in Nocturne, P3, and even in Devil Survivor, demon/persona base level did affect overall effectiveness. I don't see why this would change in P4. It would only be a matter of about 50 damage, 100 at a max, but still worth mentioning. "
I didn't see levels affecting damage too much in nocturne (though the fact that you could actually go over the level cap of 99 really gave you boosts), but I remember in P3 if you spent 30 mins in the bonus dungeon that gave you insane experience points and leveled to 99, the final boss ended up doing about 20-30 damage tops to you. In P4 I think the level boost might be toned down again slightly since the final boss still hits for a good 150-200 damage at times in hard mode.
Posted by ShaunM

You guys might wanna start using your other higher level Personas, considering that Black Frost is tapped out on learning any new skills and the only other Persona that's gaining any experience is Tam Lin cause of his Growth 2.

Posted by FluxWaveZ
@legendary1: Cool, I wasn't sure about that but I guess it does make sense.  That's probably why they don't let you continue at the level you finished at in Persona 4 when you go for New Game+.
Posted by El_Rickhead
@slaneesh:  been watching since about episode 90 so i mised the explanation on this
Posted by Eirikr
@legendary1: Level totally affected damage in Nocturne. I maxed out the strength of a demon with a base level of around 50 and he was doing about 100 less damage than a base 90 demon who also had max strength. The level 50 demon also was leveled up to somewhere in the 90's.
Posted by Hoshnasi

Naoto's "Ultra Trigger" is bad ass.

Posted by VanTesla

PLEASE READ THIS !!! No spoilers.

 November 20th is the last day to save Nanako.

 November 27th is the last day to max out your social links with your party members.(you get a small amount of extra time if you go for normal ending)

December 2nd save at all cost and make a extra save point for tomorrow will decide if you will get the bad ending, normal ending, and true ending later.

You can still get Rise, Kanji, and Naoto to rank 10 but only if you can get the extra days from the normal/true ending route. Finish Rise and get Naoto up.

 You may have to cheat with Naoto and look for a correct answers faq for her to complete her in time.

 If you want me to I can post them up so let me know. I will only give the word choices nothing else.

 You may have to start looking at persona fuse sheets so you dont waste alot of money and to get the best bang for your buck.....

Use all the energy you can for the dungeon till you cant use any natural SP with your A team and Naoto. You may want to horde some extra cash by killing in lower dungeons but leave it out of vid for the sake of viewer intrest may lower....

I hope you see my advice and that you use atleast the top portion. I am rooting for you guys :)

Posted by AdventNemesis

Junes music should be playing in that thar dungeon.

Edited by Curufinwe
@VanTesla:  There's no need for that much info to be posted right now.  They've already made great progress on the Heaven dungeon, and there's been dozens of other posts warning them to save on December 2nd.

They'll be able to continue S.Linking with party members Rise, Kanji and Naoto until just before Xmas assuming they avoid the bad ending.

Just let the guys play.
Posted by SpunkyHePanda

Please try Naoto's physical skills at least once before you dismiss her completely.

Posted by CitizenKane

Finally, another dungeon episode!  Can't wait for tomorrow to how this amazing week for the ER will end.  :)

Posted by WrenchNinja

I loved that simultaneous "Ohhhh!" from Jeff and Vinny at the 19:14 mark.

Posted by Metroid545

did anyone else besides the endurance run team have multiple girlfriends? If so who ended up coming over for christmas eve? If it has any spoilers just send it to me in my inbox I've already beaten this game.

Posted by raidingkvatch

I like how Vinny still can't quite use the menus

Posted by legendary1
@Metroid545 said:
" did anyone else besides the endurance run team have multiple girlfriends? If so who ended up coming over for christmas eve? If it has any spoilers just send it to me in my inbox I've already beaten this game. "
Each of them will call you up and ask you.
Edited by Red

You guys probably should've kept Diarama...

Fire Break is never worth the trouble, and Diaharhan is a complete waste of SP unless it's used when absolutely needed.
Edited by RedRoach

good episode as usual.

Posted by Milkman

I don't think everyone needs to freak out about this December 3rd business just yet. Let them save Nanako first. Then we'll worry about endings.

Edited by President_Evil

Throw in Chie in place of Yosuke and make as many Charlie's Angels puns as possible. DO IT!!!

Posted by Leadcat

"Fight fire with knives" is indeed what I always say.

Posted by Renegade

<3 Naoto

Posted by RedRoach
@President_Evil: .......................yes.
Posted by RedRoach
@Renegade: yes to you as well
Posted by JoeOE18

I've been watching these from the beginning for the past month or so and now I'm finally caught up. Wow.

Posted by King9999

Keep Naoto in the party so you can get Mahamaon and Mamudoon.

Posted by AliceinPersonaLand
@AdventNemesis said:
" Junes music should be playing in that thar dungeon. "
I agree 100%.
Posted by babblinmule
@President_Evil said:
" Throw in Chie in place of Yosuke and make as many Charlie's Angels puns as possible. DO IT!!! "

Awesome. This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Well done sir!
Posted by RabidSquirrel89

Man. I was hoping you guys would at least try Naoto's physical abilities once. Physical abilities are so underrated in this game. Using SP generally will drop enemies faster but using physical abilities will increase the duration you can spend in the dungeon. It's something I didn't really figure out until my second play through. Also, with those physical to all abilities, if even one of those criticals then the party member gets another turn. So there's still the potential for good damage.

Posted by firehawk12

Hopefully someone lets them know how to avoid the bad ending when it comes.  I'd hate for the Endurance run to end like that.

Posted by EdTwo

you should use tam lin and if u havent noticed, cerberus has maragidyne

Posted by Urmean

YOU MUST MAKE YOSHITSUNE
HE IS BETTER THAN BOTH TAM LIN AND BLACK FROST COMBINED

Posted by ponyslayer

i would recommend keeping Naoto in the party, she does learn light to all, and dark to all.

Posted by Curufinwe
@legendary1 said:
"@Metroid545 said:
" did anyone else besides the endurance run team have multiple girlfriends? If so who ended up coming over for christmas eve? If it has any spoilers just send it to me in my inbox I've already beaten this game. "
Each of them will call you up and ask you."
Gon youtube and you can watch every Xmas Eve date.
Posted by Zeik

I find it kind of funny how they were complaining about Naoto blowing through SP when she had more SP left at that point than both Yosuke and Yukiko, even though that is actually a problem for her.

Right now Naoto would actually do better on the team than Chie, since Chie's skills are pretty lacking at this point in the game. Though ignoring her would mean it would take even longer for her to get her good skills. I'd like to see a little more time with Naoto anyway though, since she doesn't get enough appreciation.

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Posted by DukeTogo

The fact you're yawning through it says a lot about the game.

Posted by Beomoose

Triangle Button =

NEVER


Posted by Konanda

Really should put mage's mark on Naoto as she needs the SP if you are going to continue to use her (which you should) and you should really not put Chie in her magic is terrible she has very little SP the only useful skills of hers are physical and galatic punt and seeing how little you use physical skills (you never even tried Naoto's) Chie's just empty space in the A team. Although I guess it serves the purpose to stifle Jeff's whining as he imagines getting stomped on by Chie with 10" stilletos.

Posted by Zeik
@DukeTogo:  That they're tired?
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Posted by ArmedDragoon

Just wait till you guys get Naoto's affect-all spells along with the appropriate boosts. You will never have to worry about random encounters ever again.

Posted by Undeadpool

Ya know...just because you're not giving away specific plotpoints, "expect the unexpected" et al are STILL SPOILERS. So cut it out! I've beaten the game twice, and the first time I nearly got the "true ending" without using a walk-through, so it's not impossible. Let 'em play the game and continue to entertain us in whatever way they think is going to give us the most entertainment.
So far they've been pretty on the money with what they think will amuse us, so maybe trust them a little?

Posted by amino
@Urmean said:
" YOU MUST MAKE YOSHITSUNEHE IS BETTER THAN BOTH TAM LIN AND BLACK FROST COMBINED "
He is not better than Tam Lin and Black Frost.He is THE BEST.
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