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Posted by p4fan1

hey guys i hope you remember that chie is garbage next time so you dont swap her out for the only good person you have. Naoto uses many 15 sp but she still has that gun that does LOADS of damage. and chie is a very low level spellcaster now.

Posted by FluxWaveZ
@p4fan1 said:
"hey guys i hope you remember that chie is garbage next time so you dont swap her out for the only good person you have. Naoto uses many 15 sp but she still has that gun that does LOADS of damage. and chie is a very low level spellcaster now."

Actually, Naoto's gun does really weak damage.  Just a little more than Yukiko's fan, but Naoto has spells such as Tempest Slash and Deathbound that Vinny or Jeff don't seem to want to use.  But she's definitel better than Chie at this point, but if they stick with Chie she'll eventually get God Hand and that combined with Power Charge does massive damage.
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Posted by FluxWaveZ
@Poki3 said:
EDIT: Luxury Hand is Null to everything that's not Almighty! You have to kill him with Megidola-ish spells, or hope to dodge his attack so he knocks himself down :/And to kind of put this into perspective I was 67 when I finished the dungeon, and about 61 when I started it."

I thought Mudo and Hama skills also worked on Luxury Hand.  Don't they?
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Posted by Tovan

Hmm, I'm going to say Chie is pretty bad compared to Naoto. Chie was only hitting 30-50's regularly.

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Posted by Demonstride

Good episode. They should still bring back Naoto though, Chie wasn't doing too great...

Posted by AkasoFailsOnGiantBomb

Dear everyone calling Chie shit and implying Naoto is a god,

I have two words for you, followed by two other words:

"Power Charge"...

and then...

"God's Hand".

You hear that? That's the sound of every boss left in the game weeping.

Although, yes, I will admit that Naoto is better for random encounters.

Posted by HT101

When you guys got rid of Deathbound in favor for evade physical, I wanted to kill myself because, like Jeff said, you are strong against physical so why use it.

Edited by legendary1
@FluxWaveZ said:
" @Poki3 said:
EDIT: Luxury Hand is Null to everything that's not Almighty! You have to kill him with Megidola-ish spells, or hope to dodge his attack so he knocks himself down :/And to kind of put this into perspective I was 67 when I finished the dungeon, and about 61 when I started it."
I thought Mudo and Hama skills also worked on Luxury Hand.  Don't they? "
All of the golden hands are different with different immunities. So it might work on some in earlier dungeons but not in heaven.
@Tovan51 said:
" Hmm, I'm going to say Chie is pretty bad compared to Naoto. Chie was only hitting 30-50's regularly. "
Yeah, they seem to be forgetting that Chie's ice attacks are useless unless you are hitting a weakness, her strength is physicals. Oddly enough Chie is actually at a bit of a low point inbetween getting her really powerful skills Naoto's physical will be stronger then her's for about 15 more levels where Chie gets the top stuff.

@FluxWaveZ
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" @neon123 said:
"Maybe you guys should hop out of the TV some day and use all those new materials to buy some weapons / armor that could improve the stats a LOT."
Weapons and armor don't improve much.  A weapon with a 100+ atk stat will only improve the actual damage by 15% or so.  They should still sell their materials the next time they go see the weapon store owner to get some Yen. "
I don't remember exact numbers from when I tested, but Weapons actually scale pretty well. A 250-350 damage weapon will do about the same damage as a high damage physical skill, while a starter weapon is about equal to light physicals. The thing is though, there is almost no reason to use the weapon when you could use a target all physical that can hit multiple times (enter stuff like Arrow Rain). But since it boosts All Out Attack damage, upgrading weapons is definitely a lot more useful then armor, though still not worth bankrupting yourself over. Armor's defense rating doesn't matter at all really, you just want good evade and a good secondary bonus.
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@AkasoFailsOnGiantBomb said:
"Dear everyone calling Chie shit and implying Naoto is a god,

I have two words for you, followed by two other words:

"Power Charge"...

and then...

"God's Hand".

You hear that? That's the sound of every boss left in the game weeping.

Although, yes, I will admit that Naoto is better for random encounters."

Yeah, that's exactly it.  I typed that at the moment Chie is bad compared to Naoto but if they stick with Chie they'll be able to have God's Hand + Power Charge, which = Massive Damage.  Teddie's Bufudyne + Snow Vow for two turns would do more damage than the Chie physical combo, though.
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Posted by Vorbis
@TDot: Nah even if they rescue Nanako on the first day, you still have to wait until the end of the month for her to recover like all the other victims.
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@legendary1 said:
"@FluxWaveZ said:

All of the golden hands are different with different immunities. So it might work on some in earlier dungeons but not in heaven.
I was specifically talking about the one in Heaven.  But yeah, I remember that Naoto's mudo/hama skills were not doing much.  They could use Yukiko's Fire Break/Yosuke's Wind Break and defeat the Luxury Hand like that.
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Posted by CitizenKane

Yes, another hour+ long episode!  This week has been awesome!  :)

Posted by Mikado

Been watching most of the episodes and never played the game, and I probaly wouldn't play it turnbased rpg's just ain't my thing. But it's fun watching the guys playing it, and the game itself has a pretty good story.

Edited by Gahzoo

*They get rid of Deathbound*


*Head Explodes*


Edit: Chie's Ice is weak is because she is not the ice caster, Teddie is. Kanji and Chie are physical. Also Chie's normal attack is stronger than Skull Cracker, which is trash.

Posted by blackblade500

I love chie as much as the next dude, but she just isnt doing it as much as she used  to. While Naoto is doing pretty good. I mean her pistol is doing as much  damage than chie's heat wave. So they need to make a choice , do u stick with chie while she is weak till u get god hand or switch her with Naoto who was doing all right with the light and dark spells but would not be good against a boss

Posted by AkasoFailsOnGiantBomb
@FluxWaveZ: Vinny and Jeff seem to have given up on anything Teddie and Kanji related.

Which sucks, but still.
Posted by drew327

The reason the dice showed "Reflect" when you went to physically attack it (and analysing it did not show "Rpl") was because the bear cast Tetrakarn on the dice.  Its a one-time physical reflect that if you hit will break off.

Edited by FluxWaveZ
@drew327 said:
"The reason the dice showed "Reflect" when you went to physically attack it (and analysing it did not show "Rpl") was because the bear cast Tetrakarn on the dice.  Its a one-time physical reflect that if you hit will break off."

Yes, the Lilith that they obtained also has a similar skill called Marakarn that reflects anything magic off the one who that spell is casted on, one time.  I think they had someone else with that skill but they didn't check...  The bear that cast Tetrakarn also has Marakarn.
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Edited by xanavi
@watertails: Actually, a better way would be to get the death arcana chance and get full SP from that. I do agree with going to a weaker dungeon to do it, though.
Posted by gamermatt8

Like other people are saying Naoto isn't actually a very good character, sure Light, dark and almighty is cool but i don't think any bosses die to instant death spells and you'll learn that her almighty spells become very expensive. They designers had a good idea with her, but maybe if she got better physical skills, or if her stats weren't so average then she would be better.  I really recomend that you guys replace her with either Chie or Kanji, as Chie's power hand combo works well, and Kanji's power and defense is crazy, not to mention that he gets Matarukaja, which is a blessing for bosses.

Posted by Dany

The song in the dungeon is getting to me....sounds good.

Posted by FluxWaveZ
@gamermatt8 said:
"Like other people are saying Naoto isn't actually a very good character, sure Light, dark and almighty is cool but i don't think any bosses die to instant death spells and you'll learn that her almighty spells become very expensive. They designers had a good idea with her, but maybe if she got better physical skills, or if her stats weren't so average then she would be better.  I really recomend that you guys replace her with either Chie or Kanji, as Chie's power hand combo works well, and Kanji's power and defense is crazy, not to mention that he gets Matarukaja, which is a blessing for bosses. "

But Naoto's got excellent physical skills (DeathBound, Tempest Slash, Blight) and she gets Megidolaon at one point so she's also pretty good if you stick with her.  At this point, there's no way they'll bother leveling Kanji.
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Posted by MiserableGerm

Which is why you get the Half SP Ring from the Heaven Optional Boss.

Edited by SmAsH

Oh man, you guys need a lovers to get Rise to Level 10. I hope you guys don't forget that after you are done this dungeon.

Also, how could you get rid of Black Frost like that, like he's last weeks newspaper. *sniff* I hate you! I will fly down to Cali and fight you, for doing such evil acts. :p

Kidding aside, another great episode, can't wait to see who and what the boss is. Keep it up GB :D

Posted by Guerrilla_Mason

If they don't make a Siegfried ASAP, I will punch someone in the crotch.

Edited by legendary1

Naoto's physical skills are decent AoE's, but she has no good single target. Her Blight has does slightly more damage then Chie's Agneyastra, but Agneyastra can hit 1-3 times so it almost always is much better. And God Hand is about 6-7x more powerful then agneyastra for single target damage. Naoto has nothing to answer with. So once again, good against 6 enemies at a time in random battles, not doing much against single bosses.

@MiserableGerm said:

" Which is why you get the Half SP Ring from the Heaven Optional Boss. "
This works, but you still have to remember that you can have elemental amp + an accessory to give dual +50% damage boost to elemental spell. Almighty attacks have no such buffs. Even if you don't find the best accessory or don't get one at all (Vinny and Jeff seem to be having really bad luck getting good things from the chests), amp + boost alone is +50/+25. So Yukiko/Yosuke/Teddie spamming elemental attacks should still beat Naoto easy at less cost. I don't know how she would compare to Kanji/Chie, she might be about equal.
Posted by b1zarr0

I would probably be rocking the all girl (or rather main dude plus Yukiko, Chie, and Naoto)  party myself and just fuse some personas that have Wind and Elec powers.  Also I would probably stock up on more healing items and be buying the absolute best weapons as far as dealing damage go (except anything that has a ridiculously low hit rate).  I would also be using a LOT more physical attacks to really try to conserve SP.

Yukiko to rock the fire and healing spells

Chie for Ice and kicking dudes rather hard (moreso when she busts out that Galatic Punt)

Naoto her ability to pop a cap in some ass (espeically when she busts out with her follow up attack).  Also those light/dark spells are proving to be fairly useful and the almighty damage seems like a decent neutral form of damage to be able to deal to all enemies.  I am curious to see what this Deathbound thing does >>_>

Lastly I would stock up on WAY more healing/SP gaining items (could be fairly useful in boss fights since bosses don't seem to be the type to be vanished by Naoto's light/dark spells like that so she could bust out with the occasional healing/gain SP/recover status effect)

Of course that would more than likely lead to me getting killed a lot and probably giving up sooner rather than later :p

Granted Ive not play ANY Persona games and my only knowledge of this game comes from watching the Endurance run.  and my proposed strategy comes from what Ive found moderate amount of success in other RPGs

PS: Way to end this week on a strong, endurancing 60+ min episodes (which generally tend to be my favorite types of episodes as I REALLY have lots of free time on my hands :p )


Posted by LordAndrew

I had that exact same problem with Tam Lin. Evade Physical was cool, but so was every other skill my Tam Lin had.

Posted by mythus

i had an easy time completing the game with chie.  its more of a preference in taste.  they felt more comfortable with chie so let it be =P.

Posted by Chewii101

The way Fox is holding up Charlie for cash reminds me of Tom Nook. That greedy bastard......>.>

Posted by funcmode

poor Tam Lin.. I had Brave Blade on mine so, naturally I kept it for quite some time. BB + Power Charge at lvl 53 is pretty yummy ;D

Posted by MeatSim

Oh man if Fox and Tom Nook teamed up they would own the world. Anyway at this point in the game I found that Chie's skills were all garbage but if you stick with her she will become a physical powerhouse.

Posted by mrfluke

it blows my mind that they are using physical abilities on that garuda persona that they made , while naoto has heavy physical attacks , and yet they stick with chie just because she has mabufu, and if you notice when chie kicks it does the same amount of damage that naotos gun does, plus naoto crits more than chie , and then naoto does learn mamudoon and mahamon, and light and dark boosts , and if you look at their past boss fights they use chie mostly for either tarukaja  and physical attacks 

Posted by Quacktastic

I forgot evade phys with Tam Lin.  He had counter and was strong against phys.  Doesn't really matter though I think I quit using him like an hour later.

Posted by drew327
@Poki3: I think I also went with some sort of break, like Fire Break (either me, or Yukiko), Mind Charge, Agidyne
Posted by MagikGimp

Come on guys, swap in Team B so everyone can have a chance to rescue Nanako; plus it'll be more of a challenge to play with crappier team-mates. Of course then swap back the regulars for the main boss fight.

Posted by wflanery

I could be wrong, but I think you guys were mixing up Light and Dark when you were looking at analyses.

Posted by gakon

The fox was charging more for the SP because it was angry.  You guys have like two weeks, you could have recharged your SP at home and saved a lot of money.

Posted by Hoshnasi

The more I think about it, I'm happy the guys aren't trying to pro game the hell out of the endurance run.  By not trying to max out everything, or have the right combos, or hell even forgetting the best things to do in situations, it keeps it light with alot of fun /facepalm moments where we are all shocked/surprised/jubilant that they made it passed certain spots.

Posted by Hoshnasi

Lulz,

"Cerberus, do we even have that?"  It was in the current lineup.

Posted by Crixaliz

I believe Naoto gives a ring/bracelet that gives you 50% increased SP, if you go out with her or something along those lines

Posted by bybeach

At least three more days, crawling. i get up alot and get stuff done during the dungeon fights, but I am slowly learning the tactics behind the fighting and fusing. it`s turning into a part of the game i actually like.

i think iv`e figuered out the immediatte story here, also. This game is respectable at spinning your wheels.

Posted by raikoh05

have they even read the comments from last episode?

Posted by CleverLoginName

Great fight everybody, only one of us died. Nice one fellas, though Vinny's hands are reverting to missing dudes.

Posted by Lies

They have like a billion SP restore items, I don't understand why they don't use those instead of paying the Fox.

Edited by Ghostiet
@Crixaliz said:
" I believe Naoto gives a ring/bracelet that gives you 50% increased SP, if you go out with her or something along those lines "

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was Rise. Naoto only makes you feel awesome and like a real man if you date her, as far as I remember.
Posted by gakon
@raikoh05 said:
" have they even read the comments from last episode? "
They record episodes at least one day in advance.  They're probably going to do Monday's today, and maybe Tuesday's if they feel like it.
Edited by Artemis_D

Did I just hear a Black Sheep reference in this Endurance Run?  This is the best fucking website, ever.

Chie's ice is really only useful for hitting an enemies weakness.  Otherwise, Chie is more for the physical (at least in my party, she is.)

Posted by Metroid545

you need to keep naoto in she is awesome. Also for luxury hand it blocks everything so use megidola

Posted by Besetment

Ha, Ryan talking about the MxO stream in the background